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reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 07:23 AM by randyvs
reply to post by projectvxn

What reposts? What are you talking about? I'm not quite sure what you're getting at.

i know stud if you check all my posts i already apologised , big off
topic fopah simply out of anger. so again so again apologies all around.



[edit on 1-7-2009 by randyvs]


reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 07:37 AM by thisguyrighthere
reply to post by Kaytagg


Just another irrelevant million dollar expense?

Now it all makes sense. From the palms of CA to nation building in Iraq. This is the attitude that enables it all.


reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 07:41 AM by Kaytagg
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
reply to post by Kaytagg


Just another irrelevant million dollar expense?

Now it all makes sense. From the palms of CA to nation building in Iraq. This is the attitude that enables it all.


Do you have a real gripe about Cali's expenses, or do you just not like Palm trees? Because all i'm hearing is "the palm trees collapsed the state!" and "if you aren't for stopping the palm trees, what's next!?"

How bout what's going on right now? Why is California bankrupt -- the REAL reasons?


reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 07:51 AM by thisguyrighthere
reply to post by Kaytagg


The only REAL reason is that the state spent more than it took in. Lots of states do this. Lots of cities do this. There is a pervasive myth that if an entity be it a small town, state or nation, provides for a number of people through collected (extorted) funds from these people it will eventually attract more people (wealth sources) to leach from and the cycle will continue in perpetuity making the town, state, nation more populous, more profitable, with more pooled resources to spend on technological advancements all fueling the growth and advancement of its residents.

A fanciful utopia.

Like so many other utopian architectures it fails to account for human randomness. It fails to account for leeches, refusals to pay, people consciously choosing not to move to or even move away from the utopia in progress, people not wanting to participate (which leads to incarceration/death as a further expense not accounted for) and eventually you get an entity that borrowed or overspent expecting to be repaid and then some forced to increase the individual burden on the remaining residents just to stay afloat which makes the area less likely to recruit new members to its tax base which digs the hole even deeper.

What these governments are doing is essentially house-flipping. The house-flippers got theirs when the mortgage scam mess hit the pyramids top. Now these governments are hitting the tops of their respective pyramids. The next pyramid top is the fed and if they cant manage some global unified economy to serve as the next pyramid we're all going back to an agricultural society which is exactly what I want to see happen.


reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 07:59 AM by randyvs
reply to post by Kaytagg

ok enough w/ the palmtrees please! i been telling most of the people i know, since last years elections. that by summer of 2009 we were gonna see
a mad max scenario across the U.S. never mentioned here on ats but
the possibilities seem to be growing ya think? this crap is getting way
past nerve racking from where i'm sitting. so just take heed i consider myself one tough hombre, i'll be damned if i'm gonna admit to being scared. but.



reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 10:51 AM by Retseh
reply to post by zooplancton


Closure of public facilities, schools, jails, libraries, museums - would be phase 1.

Phase 2 - stop collecting garbage, withdrawal of state funded welfare programs.

Phase 3 - lay off the police force - rioting, looting, anarchy, mass death - in other words SoCal would be just like it is now



reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 11:12 AM by zooplancton
Originally posted by Retseh
reply to post by zooplancton


Closure of public facilities, schools, jails, libraries, museums - would be phase 1.

Phase 2 - stop collecting garbage, withdrawal of state funded welfare programs.

Phase 3 - lay off the police force - rioting, looting, anarchy, mass death - in other words SoCal would be just like it is now


in all seriousness, i just couldn't see them shutting down police forces and jails. total chaotic break down is something that the PTB would want to avoid at all costs.


reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 11:38 AM by on_yur_6
reply to post by Jim Scott


My wife handles foreclosures out of California. Her office is absolutely overwhelmed. The amount of work piled on them this last year has been ridiculous and there is no end in site.

We lived in Southern California for five years and loved the weather but not the prices or politics. There is about to be a huge price correction for that market. Two things are possible because the politicians there are stuck on fuzzy math and can't figure out a budget.

1. Obama is going to step in and remove state rights. He has already threatened to take control of the state parks if they don't remain open. This option could lead to outright civil war in this nation.

2. The govinator and the corrupt congressmen may finally axe all of the stupid social programs and actually concentrate on infrastructure and security.

People, it's time to tell the able bodied people to get off their ass and stop asking for hand outs.

It's going to take a huge collapse like California going bankrupt to open the eyes of some people.

[edit on 1-7-2009 by on_yur_6]


reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 11:39 AM by sos37
reply to post by projectvxn


Not a rosy picture you paint. But with the taxes Californians pay, the unemployment, the rampant cuts on what some consider basic services and programs and with the coming civil unrest, I simply cannot fathom why anyone would want to live in that state. Time to get the hell out and find a new place to live.
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