reply to post by Spartak_FL
ya i know. this crap just seems to be banging the drum though. i live in so cal, been out of work for a year n 1/2 gettin cabin fever. i'm at the end
of unemployment and i'm gettin pssd. anyways apologies all around.
[edit on 1-7-2009 by randyvs]
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reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 05:27 AM by Spartak_FL
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by Spartak_FL
ya i know. this crap just seems to be banging the drum though. i live in so cal, been out of work for a year n 1/2 gettin cabin fever. i'm at the end of unemployment and i'm gettin pssd.
Well i live in Tampa Florida I am out of work since June 12th so I feel your pain and I wish you the best. But there are still some jobs in the area. I have an interview thursday.
My advice is leave. The state is in ruins and it isnt your fault you pay so much to them in taxes and they waste it all. Its your leaders on the state level. That was the whole point i was trying to make. My state we dont pay them anything except a 6% sales tax and we are doing a heck of alot better than CA is. Even with all the foreclosures
[edit on 1-7-2009 by Spartak_FL]
reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 05:34 AM by randyvs
reply to post by Spartak_FL
well if you didn't see my edit i apologised.that was way off i know .can't even remember where it came from.far as just leave.thats not as easy as it sounds. go where? this # is really startin to suck. i'm gonna get off this thread before i get in trouble.
[edit on 1-7-2009 by randyvs]
well if you didn't see my edit i apologised.that was way off i know .can't even remember where it came from.far as just leave.thats not as easy as it sounds. go where? this # is really startin to suck. i'm gonna get off this thread before i get in trouble.
[edit on 1-7-2009 by randyvs]
reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 05:40 AM by Spartak_FL
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by Spartak_FL
well if you didn't see my edit i apologised.that was way off i know .can't even remember where it came from.far as just leave.thats not as easy as it sounds. go where? this # is really startin to suck. i'm gonna get off this thread before i get in trouble.
[edit on 1-7-2009 by randyvs]
Find a small town , search for employment information on the internet ahead of time. Take out a few Payday advances and never pay them suckers back. I just dont see California recovering from this for awhile.
I just get so mad when people from California blame the rest of us for pillaging them. Its really pathetic and childish. We are all suffering.
reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 05:53 AM by apacheman
reply to post by Spartak_FL
Who's being partisan? I was merely pointing out that California is very far from being socialist. And that we don't waste our money. I don't know where people get these crazy ideas about this state. We've been repeatedly ripped off by East coast corporations for the last decade. We don't lavish money on welfare queens or anything like that, so what the hell are you talking about?
Non-Californians seem to think that everyone here lives a Hollywood lifestyle...nothing could be further from the truth. Hollywood is as foriegn to us as it is to you: those folks aren't Californians as much as they are internationalists. The rest of us work hard, try not to overspend, and pay attention to the environment.
Locally, the education level is higher than the national average due to the presence of four major universities, several internationally renowned research centers, and a bunch of other nifty stuff. WE are NOT stupid, and I take offense at being called that. I've lived in Florida, and California is head and shoulders above that state. The stupid part is up north in Sacramento: all those damn businessmen turned politicians have wrecked the place because they want a free ride for their corporate buddies. Most folks I know have voted for sensible tax increases for purposes like firefighting, earthquake renovation, etc. But the corporate class fights tax increases religiously. So they substitute fees, sales taxes on stuff they don't buy, and crap like tolls on roads we the people bought and paid for.
The problem isn't stupid, lazy, or unambitious people: the problem is a corporate class run amuck demanding free lunches. It isn't a Republican or Democrat thing: it's a corporate thing. Stop believing California is as portrayed by TV series: that California exists only on the tube. The real California is the adult who's been supporting the rest of the country while they try to grow up and meet our standards.
Who's being partisan? I was merely pointing out that California is very far from being socialist. And that we don't waste our money. I don't know where people get these crazy ideas about this state. We've been repeatedly ripped off by East coast corporations for the last decade. We don't lavish money on welfare queens or anything like that, so what the hell are you talking about?
Non-Californians seem to think that everyone here lives a Hollywood lifestyle...nothing could be further from the truth. Hollywood is as foriegn to us as it is to you: those folks aren't Californians as much as they are internationalists. The rest of us work hard, try not to overspend, and pay attention to the environment.
Locally, the education level is higher than the national average due to the presence of four major universities, several internationally renowned research centers, and a bunch of other nifty stuff. WE are NOT stupid, and I take offense at being called that. I've lived in Florida, and California is head and shoulders above that state. The stupid part is up north in Sacramento: all those damn businessmen turned politicians have wrecked the place because they want a free ride for their corporate buddies. Most folks I know have voted for sensible tax increases for purposes like firefighting, earthquake renovation, etc. But the corporate class fights tax increases religiously. So they substitute fees, sales taxes on stuff they don't buy, and crap like tolls on roads we the people bought and paid for.
The problem isn't stupid, lazy, or unambitious people: the problem is a corporate class run amuck demanding free lunches. It isn't a Republican or Democrat thing: it's a corporate thing. Stop believing California is as portrayed by TV series: that California exists only on the tube. The real California is the adult who's been supporting the rest of the country while they try to grow up and meet our standards.
reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 05:57 AM by Spartak_FL
Originally posted by apacheman
reply to post by Spartak_FL
Who's being partisan? I was merely pointing out that California is very far from being socialist. And that we don't waste our money. I don't know where people get these crazy ideas about this state. We've been repeatedly ripped off by East coast corporations for the last decade. We don't lavish money on welfare queens or anything like that, so what the hell are you talking about?
Non-Californians seem to think that everyone here lives a Hollywood lifestyle...nothing could be further from the truth. Hollywood is as foriegn to us as it is to you: those folks aren't Californians as much as they are internationalists. The rest of us work hard, try not to overspend, and pay attention to the environment.
Locally, the education level is higher than the national average due to the presence of four major universities, several internationally renowned research centers, and a bunch of other nifty stuff. WE are NOT stupid, and I take offense at being called that. I've lived in Florida, and California is head and shoulders above that state. The stupid part is up north in Sacramento: all those damn businessmen turned politicians have wrecked the place because they want a free ride for their corporate buddies. Most folks I know have voted for sensible tax increases for purposes like firefighting, earthquake renovation, etc. But the corporate class fights tax increases religiously. So they substitute fees, sales taxes on stuff they don't buy, and crap like tolls on roads we the people bought and paid for.
The problem isn't stupid, lazy, or unambitious people: the problem is a corporate class run amuck demanding free lunches. It isn't a Republican or Democrat thing: it's a corporate thing. Stop believing California is as portrayed by TV series: that California exists only on the tube. The real California is the adult who's been supporting the rest of the country while they try to grow up and meet our standards.
Nobody said your living hollywood lives. Your problem is your social programs aimed at taking care of every thing under the sun. Health, College, Housing, immigration. You cant keep doing that. And yes you have lots of welfare queens in California im sorry to tell you. Because each single mother recieves a monthly stipend from sacremento if they choose. Costs the state about 112 million a year.
Illegal Immigration Costs California Over Ten Billion Annually
State's "cheap labor" costs average household $1,183 a year
usgovinfo.about.com...
articles.latimes.com...
[edit on 1-7-2009 by Spartak_FL]
reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 06:26 AM by apacheman
reply to post by Spartak_FL
Those illegals are here because the corporate class likes cheap labor, not because I invited them. The business class hires them, and pushes their healthcare, education, etc. onto the state. They undercut legal residents' wages by hiring them rather than state residents. California could afford a lot of good stuff back when most of us had decent jobs and paid taxes. But the corporate types fired us, brought in H1B, H2B, and illegal workers at half of what we used to get paid. To add insult to injury they send the profits back East, and the workers send their wages back to the home country, rather than spend them here or be taxed here. Now they've destroyed the tax base with their greed. And you know what? Alot of those types are here from New York, Florida, and other parasitical East Coast states.
Those illegals are here because the corporate class likes cheap labor, not because I invited them. The business class hires them, and pushes their healthcare, education, etc. onto the state. They undercut legal residents' wages by hiring them rather than state residents. California could afford a lot of good stuff back when most of us had decent jobs and paid taxes. But the corporate types fired us, brought in H1B, H2B, and illegal workers at half of what we used to get paid. To add insult to injury they send the profits back East, and the workers send their wages back to the home country, rather than spend them here or be taxed here. Now they've destroyed the tax base with their greed. And you know what? Alot of those types are here from New York, Florida, and other parasitical East Coast states.
reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 06:32 AM by projectvxn
reply to post by randyvs
What reposts? What are you talking about? I'm not quite sure what you're getting at.
[edit on 1-7-2009 by projectvxn]
What reposts? What are you talking about? I'm not quite sure what you're getting at.
[edit on 1-7-2009 by projectvxn]
reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 06:52 AM by Spartak_FL
Originally posted by apacheman
reply to post by Spartak_FL
Those illegals are here because the corporate class likes cheap labor, not because I invited them. The business class hires them, and pushes their healthcare, education, etc. onto the state. They undercut legal residents' wages by hiring them rather than state residents. California could afford a lot of good stuff back when most of us had decent jobs and paid taxes. But the corporate types fired us, brought in H1B, H2B, and illegal workers at half of what we used to get paid. To add insult to injury they send the profits back East, and the workers send their wages back to the home country, rather than spend them here or be taxed here. Now they've destroyed the tax base with their greed. And you know what? Alot of those types are here from New York, Florida, and other parasitical East Coast states.
The people elected the Leftist politicians who allowed it to happen. Corporations dont write immigration law.
And now the sun comes up today and california has no money. So what happens.
reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 06:56 AM by Kaytagg
reply to post by midnightbrigade
When fannie/freddie/aig were going under, you would have thought the world was ending.
When the 10th largest economy in the world is going under, nobody in Washington cares.
This looks like a clear message, to me: Bail outs for corporate private power, tough poop for all other power that isn't consolidated in private, unaccountable hands.
If only California had written several hundred billion dollars in legally impossible to regulate Credit Default Swaps, given the majority of the profits to a few dozen people, taken all that revenue offshore where it can't be taxed, then crash the world economy because they legally sold junk that they knew couldn't be backed up.
Had they done all that, they would be doing just fine right now -- courtesy of the tax payer.
Gotta love the plutocrats and the corporatocracy they've built, as well as the success of their propaganda campaign to confuse the majority of voters into demanding more welfare for the rich and less regulation for private corporate power, which has lead to one disaster after another.
Actually they do -- that's why lobbyists get paid something like $200,000 a year starting salary. They use intimidation through media, corporate campaign funds, lavish gifts, and similar methods of achieving leverage over politicians to get their agendas across.
[edit on 1-7-2009 by Kaytagg]
When fannie/freddie/aig were going under, you would have thought the world was ending.
When the 10th largest economy in the world is going under, nobody in Washington cares.
This looks like a clear message, to me: Bail outs for corporate private power, tough poop for all other power that isn't consolidated in private, unaccountable hands.
If only California had written several hundred billion dollars in legally impossible to regulate Credit Default Swaps, given the majority of the profits to a few dozen people, taken all that revenue offshore where it can't be taxed, then crash the world economy because they legally sold junk that they knew couldn't be backed up.
Had they done all that, they would be doing just fine right now -- courtesy of the tax payer.
Gotta love the plutocrats and the corporatocracy they've built, as well as the success of their propaganda campaign to confuse the majority of voters into demanding more welfare for the rich and less regulation for private corporate power, which has lead to one disaster after another.
***
Corporations dont write immigration law.
Actually they do -- that's why lobbyists get paid something like $200,000 a year starting salary. They use intimidation through media, corporate campaign funds, lavish gifts, and similar methods of achieving leverage over politicians to get their agendas across.
[edit on 1-7-2009 by Kaytagg]
reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 07:04 AM by projectvxn
reply to post by Spartak_FL
This is what happens:
The fiscal crisis will deepen. The State will be forced to run lean. All non-essential services will be eliminated. Police, fire, and ambulance services will be further cut when the crisis extends to the cities and counties, which will happen immediately, in some places it already has.
Due to this many neighborhoods will see significant reduction in police patrols, courts will close for 2 three days at a time, and some courts and other state and municipal buildings may be closed down and consolidated. State employees will be layed off en masse. Unemployment benefits will dry up, well-fare checks will not go out, student loans will not be paid(Interest will sky rocket). California will enter the summer fire season with far fewer fire fighters than normal, the season is already extended and fire fighting needs are starting to mount heavy costs. Soon, this service may be totally ineffective. Crime will shoot up. More armed robberies, shootings, drugs, and gang violence will become far more present. This on top of budget concerns will force a mass exodus from California. There will be revolts, protests and general civil unrest.
All of this will start to quickly move to other cities as the exodus from California begins to tax the capabilities of other states. This happened a few times during the Great Depression in several parts of the country. Tent cities will become a normal thing as homeless services in other states are either burdened to capacity or shut down due to budget problems. California's collapse would indeed bring down the entire nation within a year, maybe less.
It is NOT a good scenario. However, instead of worrying for the inevitable, prepare for it.
[edit on 1-7-2009 by projectvxn]
This is what happens:
The fiscal crisis will deepen. The State will be forced to run lean. All non-essential services will be eliminated. Police, fire, and ambulance services will be further cut when the crisis extends to the cities and counties, which will happen immediately, in some places it already has.
Due to this many neighborhoods will see significant reduction in police patrols, courts will close for 2 three days at a time, and some courts and other state and municipal buildings may be closed down and consolidated. State employees will be layed off en masse. Unemployment benefits will dry up, well-fare checks will not go out, student loans will not be paid(Interest will sky rocket). California will enter the summer fire season with far fewer fire fighters than normal, the season is already extended and fire fighting needs are starting to mount heavy costs. Soon, this service may be totally ineffective. Crime will shoot up. More armed robberies, shootings, drugs, and gang violence will become far more present. This on top of budget concerns will force a mass exodus from California. There will be revolts, protests and general civil unrest.
All of this will start to quickly move to other cities as the exodus from California begins to tax the capabilities of other states. This happened a few times during the Great Depression in several parts of the country. Tent cities will become a normal thing as homeless services in other states are either burdened to capacity or shut down due to budget problems. California's collapse would indeed bring down the entire nation within a year, maybe less.
It is NOT a good scenario. However, instead of worrying for the inevitable, prepare for it.
[edit on 1-7-2009 by projectvxn]
reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 07:19 AM by jibeho
reply to post by projectvxn
Excellent posts. One need only look at Flint and Detroit Michigan to see what can happen when services are cut and certain neighborhoods are ignored.
They let many vacant homes in Detroit burn out due to years of cutbacks. It has become an arsonists paradise. Portions of Flint are left to decay.
www.insurancejournal.com...
This could easily happen in any one of the neighborhoods in Los Angeles.
ATS thread on Flint www.abovetopsecret.com...
Excellent posts. One need only look at Flint and Detroit Michigan to see what can happen when services are cut and certain neighborhoods are ignored.
They let many vacant homes in Detroit burn out due to years of cutbacks. It has become an arsonists paradise. Portions of Flint are left to decay.
Abandoning Flint, Michigan: As Homeowners Move Out, Fires Move In
www.insurancejournal.com...
This could easily happen in any one of the neighborhoods in Los Angeles.
ATS thread on Flint www.abovetopsecret.com...
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