Jellyfish Crop Circle Predicts Solar Storm on July 7 2009 - Symbolizes Magnetosphere , page 5
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reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 04:32 PM by N3krostatic
reply to post by Phage


Isn't that all dependent on the size and intensity of the CME?
I'm only saying "if" here, but if it were big enough, technically couldn't it fry pretty much everything or is that entirely impossible?



reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 04:49 PM by N3krostatic
reply to post by Shadow_Lord


Perhaps the reason why this could be a cryptic message if it were really coming from aliens is because it was coming from aliens alone. There is more to the picture and we don't always understand every angle. It's like me going to an alien planet and asking them why can't I just microwave my mac and cheese. I just don't understand why.

That's the problem, we don't understand why. There could be a million limiting factors and reasons why the message from aliens is encrypted. After all if it is the case, they are alien right? That means they are not human, meaning their means of communication and everything else is probably different, hence alien...


reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 05:27 PM by Phage
reply to post by N3krostatic

As I said, a solar storm can cause a geomagnetic storm. An extreme geomagnetic storm can do very serious damage to our power systems as well as causing other problems.
Power systems: : widespread voltage control problems and protective system problems can occur, some grid systems may experience complete collapse or blackouts. Transformers may experience damage.

Spacecraft operations: may experience extensive surface charging, problems with orientation, uplink/downlink and tracking satellites.

Other systems: pipeline currents can reach hundreds of amps, HF (high frequency) radio propagation may be impossible in many areas for one to two days, satellite navigation may be degraded for days, low-frequency radio navigation can be out for hours, and aurora has been seen as low as Florida and southern Texas (typically 40° geomagnetic lat.)**.

www.swpc.noaa.gov...

On the average we see 4 days with this kind of intensity during each 11 year solar cycle. We have had some pretty serious action in the past. The strongest geomagnetic storm recorded was in 1859. In 1921 there was a huge one, many times more powerful than the 1989 event. Could it get worse? Sure, why not? Should we expect worse? I don't really see why, though an event on the level of 1921 would be bad enough.

I didn't say a geomagnetic storm wasn't a serious matter. I said solar storms do not cause the magnetosphere to "collapse" and leave us exposed to the solar wind as claimed by the OP. The harder the solar wind pushes, the harder the magnetosphere pushes back.

[edit on 7/1/2009 by Phage]


reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 05:38 PM by N3krostatic
reply to post by Phage


Well I appreciate your reply. Thank you for helping me understand this a little better and for clarifying. My misunderstanding.


reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 05:57 PM by CINY8
"The Earth's magnetic field has been decreasing. This decrease actually began 2000 years ago, but the rate of decrease suddenly became much more rapid 500 years ago. Now, in the last 20 years or so, the magnetic field has become erratic. Aeronautical maps of the world — which are used to allow airplanes to land using automatic pilot systems — have had to be revised worldwide in order for the automatic pilot systems to work.

Late last year, the Arctic ice cap on the exact spot of the North Pole completely melted for the first time in known history. Green Peace reported that, relative to the winter ice pattern, the cap had previously melted over 300 miles toward the pole, and that late last year both military and civilian ships were able to actually pass directly over the North Pole. It was water. Until now, as far as we know, there has never been a time where the ice was less than ten feet thick. In contrast, the South Pole has an ice cap that is about three miles deep, and yet huge pieces of ice continue to break off and melt.

There is a now a Giant Breach in the Earth's Magnetic Field

NASA's five THEMIS spacecraft have discovered a breach in Earth's magnetic field ten times larger than anything previously thought to exist. When this happens, solar wind can flow in through the opening to "load up" the magnetosphere for powerful geomagnetic storms. Exploring the mystery is a key goal of the THEMIS mission, launched in February 2007."

alexansary.com...

"Earth's magnetic field impacts the climate!" = Global Warming?!

Also the cause of recent airplane crashes perhaps?


reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 06:21 PM by questioningall
reply to post by Exopolitico




WOW Star for you - What AMAZING circles - it seems to have some message they REALLY want to get across. There is something about them that gives me the chills, though I don't know why.

I am inserting the pictures you have linked.

June 21



June 22



July 1



It is almost as if a arrow is pointed right at us and ready to shoot us.


reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 06:29 PM by questioningall
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by N3krostatic


I didn't say a geomagnetic storm wasn't a serious matter. I said solar storms do not cause the magnetosphere to "collapse" and leave us exposed to the solar wind as claimed by the OP. The harder the solar wind pushes, the harder the magnetosphere pushes back.

[edit on 7/1/2009 by Phage]


Please show me ANYWHERE I said that solar storms CAUSE the magnetosphere to collapse!!!! You will find what you just said is NOT TRUE!! Amazing how you love to make statements and imply I wrote that are not anywhere in the thread!

I said the magnetosphere DID collapse during the last solar storm! AND you and everyone else can see it yourself. I inserted a vid of this last weekends solar storm!!

SO for NOW ON - DO NOT put words down that I NEVER SAID!!!


reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 06:35 PM by Rockstrongo37
reply to post by questioningall


Isnt this kind of the plot line in "Knowing"? Just interesting to see the same story played out in this crop circle. I'd sooner say that this is just a nice crop circle that some people did and nothing more. The only way I would even start to be concerned is if there the usuall battery of tests run on the plant material and see if there are any genetic or radiological changes or cellular changes. Trust me people this will simply turn out to be nothing but a nice crop design.



reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 06:57 PM by zorgon
NASA - A Giant Breach in Earth's Magnetic Field
Dec. 16, 2008

"The opening was huge—four times wider than Earth itself," says Wenhui Li, a space physicist at the University of New Hampshire who has been analyzing the data. Li's colleague Jimmy Raeder, also of New Hampshire, says "1027 particles per second were flowing into the magnetosphere—that's a 1 followed by 27 zeros. This kind of influx is an order of magnitude greater than what we thought was possible."


and this is the key point

The event began with little warning when a gentle gust of solar wind delivered a bundle of magnetic fields from the Sun to Earth. Like an octopus wrapping its tentacles around a big clam, solar magnetic fields draped themselves around the magnetosphere and cracked it open. The cracking was accomplished by means of a process called "magnetic reconnection." High above Earth's poles, solar and terrestrial magnetic fields linked up (reconnected) to form conduits for solar wind. Conduits over the Arctic and Antarctic quickly expanded; within minutes they overlapped over Earth's equator to create the biggest magnetic breach ever recorded by Earth-orbiting spacecraft.


So according to NASA the solar wind does indeed do that... and this was a 'gentle gust'

science.nasa.gov...



Kinda looks like your Jellyfish

May I suggest buying LOTS of sun block?


OH BTW if you want to keep tabs on that

Ulysses Reveals Global Solar Wind Plasma Output at 50-Year Low
ulysses.jpl.nasa.gov...


Sunscreen LOTS of it...


[edit on 1-7-2009 by zorgon]


reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 07:07 PM by Phage
reply to post by questioningall




Will it be a very bad solar storm hit? Will our magnetosphere be able to handle it without collapsing?

It seemed that you were concerned about a solar storm causing the magnetosphere to collapse.


reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 07:22 PM by Phage
reply to post by zorgon

Since (as usual) you provide no source for your image I took the liberty.
Most kids have hobbies, but David Hahn's was slightly more exotic - atomic chemistry. While he was working on his Atomic Energy merit badge for the Boy Scouts, he built a nuclear reactor in his garden shed
www.sonicbomb.com...

Seems the young man in the image did not recieve "solar radiation" burns. The damage is actually from beta radiation. Unless our atmosphere gets blown away by the solar wind after the magnetosphere collapses the only "solar radiation" burns we're going to get is from the ultraviolet rays which are always present. But the lack of air would probably kill us first.
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