All of us who sat here on ATS back in October and watched as the markets sank all had one common consensus amongst us....what we were witnessing was man made and deliberate.

They say that since the world economy has imploded there have been trillions of dollars that have disappeared. I contend that they haven't disappeared at all, just been re-allocated to the ones who are doing the manipulating.

The game is rigged and every bet is a suckers bet at this point. Better off playing roulette in some smokey casino, at least that way you carry better odds and you have the benefit of seeing the man in person who is taking your money.

well trillions have gone poof.....and they did not go to the "elite".....

the trillions was phoney because it was believed inflated asset values were tangible........so when it dissapears people assume it went somewhere.....

now the central banks and govt's HAVE created trillion's in New Debt electronically (not tangible) and this is mostly to create artificial debt (monetary) IV's to Credit markets......some of this New debt has also gone into insuring other forms of bad toxic debt or to prevent runs on places money is kept........but this new money is not being lent out ....it is not getting in consumers hands.....and it shouldn't be for a while

also supply for many assets is building up (houses, cars. tv...electronics)....these prices will not be rising

now a weak dollar could boost oil and food supply issues could push food prices

but i don't see monetary source of tangible inflation anywhere in sight

Yea I picked up on it. Im a student in debt and now ive started to invest in the cycles. As soon as some stocks crash, I buy them. I dont work, I just have to study all day, so this is the only way for me to invest.

Word of adivice. Put your money in gold. The dollar is crashing faster than ever before.

So, when the chickens come home to roost in the second fiscal half of the year will that trigger "The Summer of Rage"?

Any thoughts?

well the time for a retest i believe is when guidance for future orders (demand) shows that nobody is betting on the green shoots they are TRYING TO WILL into being ...and that there is not a real sign of sprouting in the second half...see they would rather try to just Mind F(ck the public into believing a recovery is occuring in a awful economy as a jobless earning less recovery takes place....then to Alter drastically what they have to (and piss off some connected people) to find a way for real Productive growth

You know why .....there is not much prospects for growth .......first they have to let the BAD financial debts DEFAULT ....which will take the whole of wall street down....ohhhh can't do that....nooo......so instead there plan is to get people to THINK there is a recovery......it will be a jobless and earnings-less recovery BUT they will see U3 measured unemployment stabalize now because so many people that are falling off the unemployment benefits are not FINDING JOBS but they are no longer COUNTED as being unemployed i.e they are considered out of the workforce ...........so U6 will be the REAL measure going forward

Also....GDP may get a goose bump up in Q3 should inventory's not completely crap themselves besides how hard is it to fall from say

Hypothetical numbers to illustrate a point

3Q 2008 100 4Q 2008 97 1Q 2009 94 2Q 2009 93........ over 3/4 a year and not get a bit of a dead cat bounce from a much lower level

that may be enough ammo to YELL recession over.....the realists voices will be drowned out as Gloomers.........The investment banks like Goldman Sachs will probably but up most of the volume in the markets and try to send it over 10,000 to hammer home the lie.......then they throw a false flag and the whole crap storm gets brought down... and they blame it on some terrorists probably including at least ONE domestic guy who went to protests and loved conspiracy theory's then they go into lockdown mode..and people turn on each other......that put a nice warm feeling in the ole heart? No well they MAY just limit the baby boom generation's access to nutritional supplments as well as OTC pain relievers.....(google Codex Alimenterius) and with all the Dr.'s overwhelmed and all the people falling ill more thanks to monstanto foods.....not to mention more carcinogenic Chemicals everywhere these days.....the Liability the gov't OWE's via medicare and social security may become more managable.....as the unproductive die off becoming less of a fiscal burden...how's that for good news

ehhh.....but as human animals running such a complex and manipulated and technologically advanced world....it's probably a victory that we haven't blown the place up



[edit on 2-7-2009 by cpdaman]