Skeptics seem to rely on FAITH for Flight 93 buried claim, page 5
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reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 01:28 PM by ATH911
Originally posted by thedman
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Some 60 tons of aircraft pieces was recovered, enought to fill 10 large bins like this



Funny there is no debris with United Airlines colors on them! What was the nearest business to the crash site again?

Searchers spent WEEKS literally crawling over scene multiple times to recover all the pieces

Here can find reports of search efforts (too long to post)

This thread is about the alleged debris UNDERGROUND, not above ground where officially only 15% was. We are concerned with the unverifiable 80%.



reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 02:24 PM by thedman
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Playing games aren't we?

Searching area



Searchers digging for debris



Recovered flight recorders



Impact crater shot



Impact crater - note debris



Recovery of jet engine




reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 02:30 PM by weedwhacker



reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 02:43 PM by weedwhacker
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Actually, since the title of your thread has the word 'Skeptic' in it, would seem that you are ULTIMAtely more of the 'skeptic', in this instance.

YOU refuse to accept the facts

YOU make up "facts" (as in the post just above)

YOU use incredibly ridiculous hyperbole (24 cars!!! )

YOU are the one being the 'skeptic', with your disdain and ridicule.

Therefore, it is ULTIMAtely your job to prove YOUR point....


reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 03:00 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by ATH911



In response to this uneducated comment:
Too bad we've shown that engine is dirt-free and small enough to fit in the bucket next to it. FAIL



UTIMA...I mean, ATH ( )

Here's a photo of a typical engine. Would do you well to learn.

This is a CFM 56, which is used extensively in the B737. The United B757 P/W is very similar, only slightly larger (not much)



AND, for entertainment and educational purposes (relative sizes of components, and whatnot:



Again, the CFM....but relative sizes for comparison...all modern Turbofans are similar.

I believe I'm beginning to see the logical disconnect some have, regarding the jet engines from UAL93. You see, with the impact forces involved, the engines did not stay in one piece. You can see the various components, the compressor section and turbine section...they are connected together only by concentric shafts...shafts certainly not designed to withstand great shearing forces. AND the engines are rotating at thousands of RPM....that's a lot of energy.
And the big fan blades? They are an aluminum alloy. Each mounts individually into the central hub, so if damaged in the field they can be removed and replaced, without replacing the entire engine. AND, yes, because they're aluminum, they are pretty light. One person can carry one easily.

[edit on 7/1/0909 by weedwhacker]


reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 03:54 PM by chiron613
99.999% of everything we think we know is "hearsay". Unless we actually witness something ourselves, we must rely on what other people tell us. We seriously don't even really know whether there ever was a Flight 93, or even whether that specific plane ever existed. Come to think of it, unless you were actually in New York at some point since they built the World Trade Center, you don't even know that the WTC ever existed. It's just hearsay. Maybe all those photos were faked, and everyone who says the WTC was there was lying to us.

There is something called the
Bielefeld Conspiracy, in which it is said that the German town of Bielefeld doesn't exist. The logic goes, *you've* never been there, right? For most people, this is true. Do you know anyone from there? Probably not And you don't know anyone who's been there, either - again, true for most people. Therefore, there is no such place. The theory continues that, anyone who claims to have been there is lying - they've been "reached". Photos are all fakes. Etc, etc, etc.

Of course this is a satire on conspiracy theories, but it bears thinking about. The point is that you can claim "conspiracy" on almost anything in the world, and with circular logic such as used in the Bielefeld Conspiracy, "prove" that the conspiracy exists.

Of course so-called "skeptics" rely on "faith". So does every single person in the world. We are able to confirm only the most minute fraction of the information we're given. The rest we have to accept as more or less true, unless giving some compelling reason not to believe it.
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