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reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 06:03 PM by SurvivalGearDepot

reply to post by Night Watchman

I would prosecute those in power who promoted war that wasnt in the interest of defending the U.S.

The biggest cheerleaders of the war are very strongly Pro Israel.
Wolfowitz, Zakheim, Perle, the list goes on and on.

Do you honestly think for one second they thought about America 100% of the time and never had Israels interests in mind in regards to invading Iraq?

If they entertained the idea of sending Americans to war in the interest of Israel, they are guilty of treason and deserve to be executed after conviction.

reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 06:09 PM by Night Watchman

Originally posted by SurvivalGearDepot

I would prosecute those in power who promoted war that wasnt in the interest of defending the U.S.

The biggest cheerleaders of the war are very strongly Pro Israel.
Wolfowitz, Zakheim, Perle, the list goes on and on.

You didn't answer my question. How would these prosecutions reduce the "jew," percentage to 2%?

Would you only prosecute Jews or would you also prosecute Bush and Cheney? Also - since we have, according to you, a "jew," problem, should we ever allow one to be President?

reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 06:13 PM by woodwardjnr

Originally posted by FlyersFan
reply to post by SurvivalGearDepot

I think the entire world should back the hell off .. let them all go at it without anyone else getting involved and beat the snot out of each other. Whoever is left standing is the winner. Then this can finally be over.

Thousands of years of moronic fighting over there.
Get it over and done with.

Not really a fair fight is it, Palestinians with their bottle rockets vs the Israeli's with their F-16's, white phosphorus Bradley tanks etc etc

I never understand how some try to defend the indefensible

reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 06:15 PM by SurvivalGearDepot

reply to post by Night Watchman

If you cant post in an educated manner, would it be too much to ask you to at least pretend?

I never said we have a "jew problem". I said there are too many jews in positions of power relative to their percentage of the population.

I would prosecute ANYONE (that means no matter what religion they practice).

Israel has way too much influence over the USG. It's supporters who just happen to be jewish wield way too much power over our national defense policies.

Only the naive or the criminally ignorant would believe that Israels best interests were never thought of when it came down to us invading Iraq.

reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 06:20 PM by Night Watchman

Originally posted by SurvivalGearDepot

If you cant post in an educated manner, would it be too much to ask you to at least pretend?

I never said we have a "jew problem". I said there are too many jews in positions of power relative to their percentage of the population.

Slow down there my friend. You were the one who suggested that we should limit the amount of jews in positions of power? Are you now claiming that you did not write that? So please, own up to what you post.

There are way too many special interest groups in positions of influence in the country; the pro-Israeli lobby among them. Where you and I disagree is that you consider that particular faction to be more troublesome than the rest.

reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 06:38 PM by SurvivalGearDepot

reply to post by Night Watchman

Given the amount of influence they have, they are the most troublesome.

No other lobby group puts the U.S. in as much danger as AIPAC does either.

reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 07:16 PM by FlyersFan

Originally posted by masonwatcher
This I agree with you. At last we have common ground.
They should be allowed to duke it out in a fair fight. Winner takes all.

Yep ... leave 'em alone and let 'em duke it out. No one interferes.
Whoever is left standing is the winner. THE END.

Oh .. and I showed where we else we agree - at bottom of page 6

Originally posted by SurvivalGearDepot
No other lobby group puts the U.S. in as much danger as AIPAC does either.

Dunno ... the NEA is a scary bunch.

[edit on 7/3/2009 by FlyersFan]

reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 07:55 PM by Night Watchman

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Dunno ... the NEA is a scary bunch.

Let's not forget Labor Unions.

reply posted on 4-7-2009 @ 08:51 AM by jibeho

Originally posted by masonwatcher
reply to post by jibeho

Cement-Hmmm. Humanitarian?? Perhaps used to reinforce smuggling tunnels.

How about rebuilding the homes demolished by Israel in December.

As for using cement to reinforce these tunnels, wouldn't they be smuggled through those same tunnels?

Anyway, to cast concrete you need to build formwork which is made out of timber. So why would you not use timber to strengthen tunnels as human beings have been doing for thousands of years instead of building elaborate concrete tunnels? Very odd. Hmmm!

Oh Cement! So many uses and so many ways to apply it. Look at what the Romans were able to do with it. Have you seen the application of Gunite or Shotcrete? Tunnels are a perfect application for either. Gunite in dry form is naturally stronger and will stick to just about anything.

Just my two bits on the matter. Yes, it could also be used to repair structures. But, wouldn't food, blankets, clothes, primitive shelter be of more use to a population that is in such dire straits? All of these supporters are painting such a horrific picture and they send cement.

Cement could also be used to create or fortify Hamas bunkers and strongholds.

Why Olive Trees for starving nation? You can't eat them raw off of the tree unless you like your food extremely bitter.

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reply posted on 4-7-2009 @ 10:48 AM by masonwatcher

reply to post by jibeho

For God's sake don't be so obtuse. Smuggling tunnels are built in secret and the easiest and quickest way to shore up a sandy substrata is with timber boards or tarpaulin lined timber.

Gunite or Shotcrete are sophisticated construction processes that require massive quantities of premixed concrete under controlled conditions that is transported in bulk to be applied through truck mounted compressors.

Palestinians are not building stadiums in the smuggling tunnels, they are moving food, clothing and appliances.

You are merely trying to justify the outrageous behaviour of the Israeli Occupation Forces and their illegal blockade.

reply posted on 4-7-2009 @ 12:38 PM by Night Watchman

Originally posted by masonwatcher
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You are merely trying to justify the outrageous behaviour of the Israeli Occupation Forces and their illegal blockade.

It is amazing how much time you have spent in this thread telling others what their motivations are.

Do you have ESP?

reply posted on 4-7-2009 @ 04:54 PM by FlyersFan

Originally posted by masonwatcher
Palestinians are not building stadiums in the smuggling tunnels, they are moving food, clothing and appliances.

They are moving illegal weapons, ammunitions, bombs and killer rockets.

Palestinian weapons production and smuggling

The so-called palestinians destroyed the high tech food producing greenhouses, which employed 'palestinians', and which were left behind by the Israelis. They use the ruins as cover for weapons smuggling tunnels.

Little Green Footballs

If they really needed food they would have left the greenhouses in tact instead of destroying them and using the ruins for weapons smuggling. Looks like the terrorist weapons are more important to the so called palestinians then food or legitimate employment.

Reuters - story on how the terrorist tunnels are a a MONEY MAKING BUSINESS

Tunnel-owner Mohammed said he and three partners had paid $40,000 to build their supply line.

"We have to make a living. We are still young and we have no other job except in the tunnels," said an 18-year-old tunnel owner, who gave his name only as Mohammed.

Someone should tell Mohammed that he'd have a nice job in a greenhouse growing food for everyone but his fellow 'palestinians' destroyed it in order to provide a cover for the weapons smuggling tunnels.

reply posted on 4-7-2009 @ 06:00 PM by masonwatcher

reply to post by FlyersFan

The so-called palestinians destroyed the high tech food producing greenhouses, which employed 'palestinians', and which were left behind by the Israelis. They use the ruins as cover for weapons smuggling tunnels.

How believable is that? This comment beggers belief. In effect you are saying that the Palestinians are starving themselves and the Israeli blockade has nothing to do with it.

Wouldn't a tunnel go under greenhouses by its nature thus eliminating the need to destroy them?

The most likely scenario is that the Israelis vandalised the greenhouses just like its home demolition policies.

reply posted on 4-7-2009 @ 06:05 PM by FlyersFan

Originally posted by masonwatcher
The most likely scenario is that the Israelis vandalised the greenhouses just like its home demolition policies.

Little Green Footballs verifies stories or debunks them. Just like SNOPES.
They have verified that it was destroyed by the so called Palestinians.
So sorry, but that says a bunch about your buddies ...

reply posted on 4-7-2009 @ 06:12 PM by masonwatcher

reply to post by Night Watchman

It is amazing how much time you have spent in this thread telling others what their motivations are. Do you have ESP?

Your query presupposes that I am telling everyone what is their motivation. This is wrong.

Furthermore, by suggesting that I am using some kind of supernatural faculty to conjure up some insight, you mean to trivialise my arguments.
Again you are wrong.

Like you I can read and with this ability there is comprehension. Because I am able to read your comments from which I note that what you say is unoriginal and is routine zionistic justifications for the suffering of the Palestinian people. Savvy?

reply posted on 4-7-2009 @ 07:39 PM by nunya13

Originally posted by antar
Good greif, the insiensitivity here is outrageous! This is a human being taken hostage. Stop the immature ramblings and think positive thoughts for her safe return. You can slam her by writing to her or writing articles against her once she is home safe, but come on she is an American citizen being held against her will.

I dont know anything about her, but I still think this is a bad situation which could be the start of something even more sinister.

THANK YOU!!! Geeze I was starting to think only insensitive, self-obsessed people were in this thread.

Who give a crap what her political ideologies are? She and the people with her were trying to help out people who have been condemned to a life of squalor because Israel thinks it's okay to blow up villages and bulldoze people's houses and, in turn, build there own settlements on them.

If ANY OTHER country was doing this the US would be throwing a temper tantrum. And if someone like Sarah Palin was being held in jail, people would lose their ever-loving minds and find a way to blame it on Obama.

I agree, I think the US will let her sit there for awhile because she has been a thorn in the side of the government. They probably even alerted Israel that she was on her way.

After this thread I really am starting to wonder what the hell happened to ATS?!! It seems like we've been infiltrated.

(please spare me with the "your an Obamatron" responses cuz I'm not)

reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 05:37 AM by FlyersFan

Originally posted by nunya13
insensitive, self-obsessed people

It is not 'insensitive' to bring into the discussion the reason why McKinney was captured by the Israelies. Knowing why she's there is part of the discussion.

As for self-obsessed .. you obviously don't know what that means. No one here is blathering about themselves. People are discussing McKinney, her actions, and her motives. That's not even close to self-obsession. Take a psychology course, will ya?

Who give a crap what her political ideologies are? She and the people with her were trying to help out people ....

Her ideologies explain her motive for being where she shouldn't have been. And no .. she wasn't trying to help people. As was already pointed out, if she did want to help then she would have used the safe and legal channels for aid shipments that were already established. They all knew the boat would be turned back. Obviously she didn't give a rats back-end about getting her olive trees to the Gaza.

please spare me with the "your an Obamatron" responses

That's an odd, deflective, statement.
You are the only one bringing Obama up.

reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 07:07 AM by masonwatcher

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by masonwatcher
The most likely scenario is that the Israelis vandalised the greenhouses just like its home demolition policies.

Little Green Footballs verifies stories or debunks them. Just like SNOPES.
They have verified that it was destroyed by the so called Palestinians.
So sorry, but that says a bunch about your buddies ...

Charles Johnson the owner of the Little Green Footballs is a pro-Israeli zionist blogger.

Using his internet 'yellow press' as a reference is indicative of your zionpfascist tendencies.

reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 01:12 PM by jibeho

Originally posted by masonwatcher
reply to post by jibeho

For God's sake don't be so obtuse. Smuggling tunnels are built in secret and the easiest and quickest way to shore up a sandy substrata is with timber boards or tarpaulin lined timber.

Gunite or Shotcrete are sophisticated construction processes that require massive quantities of premixed concrete under controlled conditions that is transported in bulk to be applied through truck mounted compressors.

Palestinians are not building stadiums in the smuggling tunnels, they are moving food, clothing and appliances.

You are merely trying to justify the outrageous behaviour of the Israeli Occupation Forces and their illegal blockade.

Why must you insist on trying to play expert in every topic that arises. FYI Gunite can be applied using very simple methods and machines small enough to be towed behind a vehicle. Look it up. These same methods have been used in sewer tunnel restoration for years.

Don't mislead readers with your "expertise". You are simply wrong.

Why the Olive trees for 'starving' people?? Why no food shipments in this delivery? No one has answered those questions.

reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 01:18 PM by FlyersFan