One question for the ones that believe it's tubifex:
How are they able to raise themselves up when "they" get agitated by the robot?
New life form in sewers?, page 16
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reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 04:15 PM by Pocket4ce
Those things are clumps of tubifex. Just like this one:
www.esg.montana.edu...
A more "loosened up" clump, nothing like the first picture though. Maybe the worms weren't as dry:
www.bettatude.com...
White worms are used as aquarium feed and also exhibit a similar behavior when on a dry or merely moist area. They are also easier to be found in pictures
shene.killi.net...
www.bettatude.com...
www.waterwereld.nu...
www.dennysfishroom.com...
I hope I helped. It's been a while since I logged in last year I believe, so I have been having difficulties posting pictures. I decided to post the links directly instead. Hope it's not too much of a burden.
[edit on 2-7-2009 by Pocket4ce]
www.esg.montana.edu...
A more "loosened up" clump, nothing like the first picture though. Maybe the worms weren't as dry:
www.bettatude.com...
White worms are used as aquarium feed and also exhibit a similar behavior when on a dry or merely moist area. They are also easier to be found in pictures
shene.killi.net...
www.bettatude.com...
www.waterwereld.nu...
www.dennysfishroom.com...
I hope I helped. It's been a while since I logged in last year I believe, so I have been having difficulties posting pictures. I decided to post the links directly instead. Hope it's not too much of a burden.
[edit on 2-7-2009 by Pocket4ce]
reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 04:21 PM by ZeroGhost
A possible classification for this strange creature so far has been elusive. I have not found any good biologists commenting in the many references to
this video in a good Google search.
A good biologist, and in fact, a good scientist will not make a statement on the nature of a thing until they have good supportive science. So, barring any government or institutionally imposed news blackout I would not expect a solid answer to any of our curious queries soon, at least not in the authoritative sense.
The statements some here have found are not from good scientists unless they preface their statements with a disclaimer like, "We can't with any certainty know for sure, but it looks like...".
Now, if this is truly a new species or an environmentally tweaked known organism (modified by waterborne drugs or hormonal supplements that cannot be filtered by water treatment plants) we will hear every scientist who feels they have to justify their authority on the subject make either dismissive comments or open ended statements. Any who sound like they know, probably don't. Science is very orthodox in this way. The subject will need study in any case, unless it can be shown to be previously classified and recorded.
It might be from another eco system altogether and is an invasive species, making it unfamiliar to scientists and naturalists in the vicinity. Also, because the majority of species on Earth have yet to be classified (yea I know. Really? Yes.) there might be natural organisms we are first seeing due to conditions changing or their being pushed into civilization from other areas less explored. In this article are some possible scenarios to give you some idea how complex such phenomena are.
Deep fissures and underground networks not exposed for thousands or even millions of years could, due to seismic or similar effects have been opened to the outside environment. A river may have intruded into a section of deep caverns exposing these creatures environment to surface access.
Some deep caves have been found harboring new species that because of isolation for thousands of generations, and, the resident species have changed so significantly as to be classified a new species or in most cases a new sub species of known organisms.
Deep ocean vents where found over a decade ago to have tube worms near these very hot fissures jetting very hot and chemically caustic water and these worms where thriving. Many oceanographers where stunned.
Bacterium comprises the most biomass on Earth. Yes, more than all the plant, insect, animal and human mass together. New species of such organisms are thought to be coming in through meteorite and Earth captured clouds of matter our planet just runs into in space. The Red Rain in India that fell in 2001 has proved to possibly be extraterrestrial in origin. Remember, this is just what we have seen recently. If the red cells are extraterrestrial, it means this has been happening (Transpermia) ever since Earth was habitable. Literally billions of years.
It has been discovered that our water recycling plants have not been capable of stopping tons of drugs shed from human waste from concentrating and being inserted back into the ecosystem, and in fact back into our own drinking water. Not only finding its way into fish and other organisms, changing mortality or modifying these creatures, but, also, we have found children through the simple ingestion of tap water have started to mature faster (girls maturing sexually much earlier, boys also) due to hormonal supplements and other similar drugs. Antidepressants, depressants and any number of drugs from the apothecary of humankind simply redistributed through insufficient water utility systems we have depended on for decades. These and any number of drug and chemical combinations that would spin the head of any biochemist could conceivably be altering known organisms in ways our imaginations are insufficient to yet grasp. You could write a book on this pipe phage thing just speculating.
Watch Jim Cameron’s Aliens of the Deep documentary of some of the new species we are finding even today. It will make such a discovery as this “Pipe Phage” a bit less alien. Then again…..
These are just off the top of my head, and I’m not even a scientist. So you might be able to imagine the uncounted possibilities for eco curiosities such as this could be. But, remember it could be a common thing in uncommon states of dysfunctional biological response. Eww!
ZG
[edit on 7/2/2009 by ZeroGhost]
A good biologist, and in fact, a good scientist will not make a statement on the nature of a thing until they have good supportive science. So, barring any government or institutionally imposed news blackout I would not expect a solid answer to any of our curious queries soon, at least not in the authoritative sense.
The statements some here have found are not from good scientists unless they preface their statements with a disclaimer like, "We can't with any certainty know for sure, but it looks like...".
Now, if this is truly a new species or an environmentally tweaked known organism (modified by waterborne drugs or hormonal supplements that cannot be filtered by water treatment plants) we will hear every scientist who feels they have to justify their authority on the subject make either dismissive comments or open ended statements. Any who sound like they know, probably don't. Science is very orthodox in this way. The subject will need study in any case, unless it can be shown to be previously classified and recorded.
It might be from another eco system altogether and is an invasive species, making it unfamiliar to scientists and naturalists in the vicinity. Also, because the majority of species on Earth have yet to be classified (yea I know. Really? Yes.) there might be natural organisms we are first seeing due to conditions changing or their being pushed into civilization from other areas less explored. In this article are some possible scenarios to give you some idea how complex such phenomena are.
Deep fissures and underground networks not exposed for thousands or even millions of years could, due to seismic or similar effects have been opened to the outside environment. A river may have intruded into a section of deep caverns exposing these creatures environment to surface access.
Some deep caves have been found harboring new species that because of isolation for thousands of generations, and, the resident species have changed so significantly as to be classified a new species or in most cases a new sub species of known organisms.
Deep ocean vents where found over a decade ago to have tube worms near these very hot fissures jetting very hot and chemically caustic water and these worms where thriving. Many oceanographers where stunned.
Bacterium comprises the most biomass on Earth. Yes, more than all the plant, insect, animal and human mass together. New species of such organisms are thought to be coming in through meteorite and Earth captured clouds of matter our planet just runs into in space. The Red Rain in India that fell in 2001 has proved to possibly be extraterrestrial in origin. Remember, this is just what we have seen recently. If the red cells are extraterrestrial, it means this has been happening (Transpermia) ever since Earth was habitable. Literally billions of years.
It has been discovered that our water recycling plants have not been capable of stopping tons of drugs shed from human waste from concentrating and being inserted back into the ecosystem, and in fact back into our own drinking water. Not only finding its way into fish and other organisms, changing mortality or modifying these creatures, but, also, we have found children through the simple ingestion of tap water have started to mature faster (girls maturing sexually much earlier, boys also) due to hormonal supplements and other similar drugs. Antidepressants, depressants and any number of drugs from the apothecary of humankind simply redistributed through insufficient water utility systems we have depended on for decades. These and any number of drug and chemical combinations that would spin the head of any biochemist could conceivably be altering known organisms in ways our imaginations are insufficient to yet grasp. You could write a book on this pipe phage thing just speculating.
Watch Jim Cameron’s Aliens of the Deep documentary of some of the new species we are finding even today. It will make such a discovery as this “Pipe Phage” a bit less alien. Then again…..
These are just off the top of my head, and I’m not even a scientist. So you might be able to imagine the uncounted possibilities for eco curiosities such as this could be. But, remember it could be a common thing in uncommon states of dysfunctional biological response. Eww!
ZG
[edit on 7/2/2009 by ZeroGhost]
reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 04:22 PM by Gemwolf
reply to post by Pocket4ce
Great examples. Thanks for posting them.
However... In every one of those you can identify some solitary worms which are not part of the mass... Can we say the same of the masses in the video? Can you spot a solitary worm in any one of the 3 different masses?
Great examples. Thanks for posting them.
However... In every one of those you can identify some solitary worms which are not part of the mass... Can we say the same of the masses in the video? Can you spot a solitary worm in any one of the 3 different masses?
reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 04:44 PM by ZeroGhost
reply to post by Pocket4ce
Only one of these images even hints at what we see in the video, but without reservation I will have to dismiss these as very loose speculatory images.
As a professional "observer" of visual phenomena I cannot find any direct visual reference to the videoed pipe creatures in your pictures. The third has a general shape, but is a still and does not have any mass cohesive similarity.
I would bet someone a custom avatar that these are not worms or bacterial colonies modified or otherwise. This is something else.
Hey, I have a very good imagination and are a science illustrator and science fan, as well as a science fiction artist and avid sci-fi and horror movie fan since I was a kid 50 years ago. I cant yet connect the dots here to anything, and no one or their links have yet to impress me otherwise.
Hey, I'm open minded, but my brain doesn't fall out, because I use science as a seat belt for it.
I do keep my hand on the eject handle however.
ZG
Only one of these images even hints at what we see in the video, but without reservation I will have to dismiss these as very loose speculatory images.
As a professional "observer" of visual phenomena I cannot find any direct visual reference to the videoed pipe creatures in your pictures. The third has a general shape, but is a still and does not have any mass cohesive similarity.
I would bet someone a custom avatar that these are not worms or bacterial colonies modified or otherwise. This is something else.
Hey, I have a very good imagination and are a science illustrator and science fan, as well as a science fiction artist and avid sci-fi and horror movie fan since I was a kid 50 years ago. I cant yet connect the dots here to anything, and no one or their links have yet to impress me otherwise.
Hey, I'm open minded, but my brain doesn't fall out, because I use science as a seat belt for it.
I do keep my hand on the eject handle however.
ZG
reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 04:55 PM by DeltaPan
reply to post by ZeroGhost_@ 05:21
Very much my sentiments.
Well articulated.
I've seen "Aliens of the deep.", very good indeed, deep sea life is something i am always very interested in, 'Inner Space'.
Paxus.
[edit on 2-7-2009 by DeltaPan]
Very much my sentiments.
Well articulated.
I've seen "Aliens of the deep.", very good indeed, deep sea life is something i am always very interested in, 'Inner Space'.
Paxus.
[edit on 2-7-2009 by DeltaPan]
reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 05:02 PM by kyleplatinum
Originally posted by ZeroGhost
reply to post by Pocket4ce
Only one of these images even hints at what we see in the video, but without reservation I will have to dismiss these as very loose speculatory images.
As a professional "observer" of visual phenomena I cannot find any direct visual reference to the videoed pipe creatures in your pictures. The third has a general shape, but is a still and does not have any mass cohesive similarity.
I would bet someone a custom avatar that these are not worms or bacterial colonies modified or otherwise. This is something else.
Hey, I have a very good imagination and are a science illustrator and science fan, as well as a science fiction artist and avid sci-fi and horror movie fan since I was a kid 50 years ago. I cant yet connect the dots here to anything, and no one or their links have yet to impress me otherwise.
Hey, I'm open minded, but my brain doesn't fall out, because I use science as a seat belt for it.
I do keep my hand on the eject handle however.
ZG
I would have to agree with you 100%!
I have been doing research on this topic since "page 1"... same result, nothing resembles the lifeforms/creatures in the original video
...My two cents would have to be the fact that we are not going to find a match to these creatures/lifeforms..... simply because they are one of a kind. The environment and surroundings are what created them, no light(uv rays) water/moisture always, fecal matter and what ever else is flowing through those pipes?
...Well might sound stupid, but maybe it could be part of the plant family?
Oh yeah, I will never get over the fact that people actually think the video is inside of a human body???? sorry, not to be rude.
reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 06:00 PM by Viking04
reply to post by jammer2012
Look through the thread, a man who works for the Raleigh Public works has commented. I am from Raleigh, and can attest that Cameron Village is a real place. Many links in the thread to local media quote more than enough people to show that 1) This was from a sewer under Cameron Village 2) It was done for York Properties, the owner. 3) It is a 'real' vid. 4) No one really knows what the heck these things are.
Off to the beach, pleasant weekend, all.
Look through the thread, a man who works for the Raleigh Public works has commented. I am from Raleigh, and can attest that Cameron Village is a real place. Many links in the thread to local media quote more than enough people to show that 1) This was from a sewer under Cameron Village 2) It was done for York Properties, the owner. 3) It is a 'real' vid. 4) No one really knows what the heck these things are.
Off to the beach, pleasant weekend, all.
reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 06:16 PM by Sowhtt
Originally posted by ZeroGhost
A possible classification for this strange creature so far has been elusive. I have not found any good biologists commenting in the many references to this video in a good Google search.
A good biologist, and in fact, a good scientist will not make a statement on the nature of a thing until they have good supportive science. So, barring any government or institutionally imposed news blackout I would not expect a solid answer to any of our curious queries soon, at least not in the authoritative sense.
The statements some here have found are not from good scientists unless they preface their statements with a disclaimer like, "We can't with any certainty know for sure, but it looks like...".
Now, if this is truly a new species or an environmentally tweaked known organism (modified by waterborne drugs or hormonal supplements that cannot be filtered by water treatment plants) we will hear every scientist who feels they have to justify their authority on the subject make either dismissive comments or open ended statements. Any who sound like they know, probably don't. Science is very orthodox in this way. The subject will need study in any case, unless it can be shown to be previously classified and recorded.
It might be from another eco system altogether and is an invasive species, making it unfamiliar to scientists and naturalists in the vicinity. Also, because the majority of species on Earth have yet to be classified (yea I know. Really? Yes.) there might be natural organisms we are first seeing due to conditions changing or their being pushed into civilization from other areas less explored. In this article are some possible scenarios to give you some idea how complex such phenomena are.
Deep fissures and underground networks not exposed for thousands or even millions of years could, due to seismic or similar effects have been opened to the outside environment. A river may have intruded into a section of deep caverns exposing these creatures environment to surface access.
Some deep caves have been found harboring new species that because of isolation for thousands of generations, and, the resident species have changed so significantly as to be classified a new species or in most cases a new sub species of known organisms.
Deep ocean vents where found over a decade ago to have tube worms near these very hot fissures jetting very hot and chemically caustic water and these worms where thriving. Many oceanographers where stunned.
Bacterium comprises the most biomass on Earth....
Well written. One of the best comments on this issue.
Intelligent skeptics and believers should demand a more in depth analysis and/or a specimen before dabbling in absolutes. To say it is definitely ( this ) from only viewing simple video seems a bit premature, especially since it would appear almost routine to capture one of these unknown animals from the documented location. If I lived in the area, I would have contacted the two workers and tried to recover a specimen. Frankly I'm surprised someone has not already or at least tried?
OS (ZeroGhost, would send you a star but I can no longer “see or click” them or the flags. Also missing/can't repost my avatar/background which was up for weeks, seems the mods can figure out what is wrong (not placing blame, just asking in order to see if anyone else is having this problem/solution?).
Regards
reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 07:31 PM by jeddun
HELLO !!!! christ i give the answer 6 or 7 rows up and like right after someone posts "wish someone knew what these were..." doesnt anyone read
the thread?
Here it is AGAIN
en.wikipedia.org...
"..By forming a protective cyst and lowering its metabolic rate, T. tubifex can survive drought and food shortage. Encystment may also function in the dispersal of the worm..."
"..In North Carolina, a sewer robot captured a video of a "mysterious sewer creature" during a routine inspection with a CCTV. The video has since became a viral video, and the creatures were found to be colonies of tubifex worms by biologists [1]..."
"... Ed Buchan, environmental coordinator at the Raleigh Public Utilities Department, said staff biologists have confirmed that the “creature” is actually a colony of tubifex worms. The colonies attach themselves to roots that gradually work themselves into weak points in the pipes.
“They seem to respond to the light from the camera,” Buchan said. “That light is pretty hot.”
The worms naturally occur in sewage and pond sediment and are actually sold both live and dried as fish food in pet stores...."
[edit on 2-7-2009 by jeddun]
[edit on 2-7-2009 by jeddun]
[edit on 2-7-2009 by jeddun]
Here it is AGAIN
en.wikipedia.org...
"..By forming a protective cyst and lowering its metabolic rate, T. tubifex can survive drought and food shortage. Encystment may also function in the dispersal of the worm..."
"..In North Carolina, a sewer robot captured a video of a "mysterious sewer creature" during a routine inspection with a CCTV. The video has since became a viral video, and the creatures were found to be colonies of tubifex worms by biologists [1]..."
"... Ed Buchan, environmental coordinator at the Raleigh Public Utilities Department, said staff biologists have confirmed that the “creature” is actually a colony of tubifex worms. The colonies attach themselves to roots that gradually work themselves into weak points in the pipes.
“They seem to respond to the light from the camera,” Buchan said. “That light is pretty hot.”
The worms naturally occur in sewage and pond sediment and are actually sold both live and dried as fish food in pet stores...."
[edit on 2-7-2009 by jeddun]
[edit on 2-7-2009 by jeddun]
[edit on 2-7-2009 by jeddun]
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