Scientists Make Radio Waves Travel Faster Than Light , page 6

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by mnemeth1

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And a priest began the first research into evolution.

Background is regardless if it is true.

The fact remain theory 2 is plausible and explainable. We have seen pictures of these black holes ejecting less then they suck in. We have seen the evidence of dark matter with Pioneer.

For all you know this Dark matter might just be you aether, but not as you imagined it.

I do not believe 96% of the universe is made up of invisible matter.

If you want to believe that kind of stuff, that's your choice.

I think it is a bunch of rubbish.

reply to post by mnemeth1

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Aether, how you describe it, IS invisible matter.

Wow, hypocrite.

In addition, it was backed by the church I believe, because they didn't believe in an absolute vacuum.

Again, hypocrite.

Of course if you can explain aether as anything but an invisible matter, be my guest. But it doesn't make sense any other way. because any other way invalidates what you see with your own 2 eyes.

Where is the dragging contrails of worlds?

Where is the particle to particle share of energy (invalidating that the photon exists)

Where is the sound of the sun?

[edit on 30-6-2009 by Gorman91]

reply to post by nunya13

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Again, this is waves, not matter.

You are going to need lots of energy.

No matter how you go about it.

reply to post by mnemeth1

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Actually I was not inviting you to discuss religion.

You brought it up first.

I replied.

Hypocrite much?

Also, I believe that the current energy in the universe is made of that amount of dark matter and energy.

I don't think this accounts for the vacuum.




If aether is a medium for which light goes through, then it invalidates the photon.

Explain how the photon exists if aether exists? Explain how this wave moving through aether does not decay within a few light seconds.

After all, the universe must obey the same principles as what you say.

What enables this light wave to disobey the laws of common waves like in water?

Wheres the contrails of planets?

where's the sound of the sun?

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reply to post by mnemeth1

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I did. But they violate your own principles

If you believe that light is transfered through a wave like sound it, you cannot believe in the photon. TO do so means there must be some kind of auditon. But there is not.

The simple fact remains that you are not explaining how aether works. You keep skipping that part.

And comparing you to a creationist mindset does not welcome the discussion of religion. You made that connection, not me.

[edit on 30-6-2009 by Gorman91]

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by mnemeth1

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I did. But they violate your own principles

If you believe that light is transfered through a wave like sound it, you cannot believe in the photon. TO do so means there must be some kind of auditon. But there is not.

The simple fact remains that you are not explaining how aether works. You keep skipping that part.

And comparing you to a creationist mindset does not welcome the discussion of religion. You made that connection, not me.

[edit on 30-6-2009 by Gorman91]

I already provided links to theories explaining light in a steady state universe and links to the aether theory as it pertains to light.

I'm not going to hash out a 30 page paper here when you can click a link and read it yourself.

reply to post by mnemeth1

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Providing links does not explain how you can not believe in theory 2 because it violates basic physicist, then you can believe in aether which goes against you reason for not believing in theory 2.

You are contradicting yourself now.

You must explain why the photon exists if it needs a material to go through.

Why must the photon exist in order to travel like a sound wave?

And once again, where are the contrails of items in space, why can't you hear the sun, and why isn't everything in the universe coming to a steady halt?

If you are such a devotee of your theory, you need to reinforce what your sources say, but describing it in your own words.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by nunya13

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Again, this is waves, not matter.

You are going to need lots of energy.

No matter how you go about it.

With all due respect that is simply not true. All one has to do is study the bastard of Science… Muons! Those little freaks, or complete embarrassments to science, proves beyond any doubt that matter can in fact travel faster then light. Of course, they say it goes into a magical place called a Relative State and so therefore they can ignore those little freaks. A state science cannot prove even exists, but then again their only stated goal is to find the truth right? Instead they ignore all concepts that destroys their stated truths. However as Muons prove, anything that destroys their ridiculous supposed facts, they either regulate them to be insignificant, or invariant. Like all the experiments that absolutely proves photons do in fact have mass. If you have a photon bounce between mirrors, the mass inside that experiment increases. It does so every single time, but they still call it invariant because it completely destroys Special Relativity just like this simple radio wave experiment does. What’s even more embarrassing to science is even General Relativity is dead wrong. All one has to do is study our reality within its full three-dimensional reality, M-Formula. Science is just now coming to terms with how wrong they have been. Over the next couple of years all of science will change. Not only because this radio wave experiment demands it, but also, because three-dimensional math proves everything we have been told are undeniable facts, are now undeniably wrong.


--Charles Marcello



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reply to post by littlebunny

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If it's wrong why do we see it as true in the stars?

Also a muon is very dense and strong. It should have odd properties. Why not? If something so small is so dense, could it not have it's own personal micro sized ergosphere, sort of.

reply to post by littlebunny

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I am interested in your experiment, but not sure how it works, could you explain?

reply to post by l_e_cox

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I've already worked on designs for such a craft.

The simple fact is that I really don't see waves as the answer, to much energy to do it.

We already know that a heavy item going fast alters time. We need to look into altering time. Altering ergosphere of large scale rotating masses.

Muons even seem more interesting now.

Check my profile for something I created called "how to travel faster than light"

I think I should look into muons more now.

[edit on 30-6-2009 by Gorman91]

He says that the pulses we see are "light booms" -- shock waves made by a source moving faster than light, rather like the sonic boom created by a supersonic plane when it breaks the sound barrier.

www.spacedaily.com...

Anyone know where I can get a hold of the actual peer reviewed papers regarding this? ...because that analogy above seems highly suspect upon casual glance. What exactly is the outside source which pushes this "photonic boom"? Photons? A sonic boom travels at the speed of sound, but does not exceed the speed of sound. The energy travels at the same speed, but it's highly compressed because the object exceeding the sonic barrier is traveling at or faster than the speed of sound. Any noise it outputs is compounded in the same area which in which sound waves are already present.

A casual search on Google didn't turn up any credible scientific literature or publication - just news sites, blogs, and the like. Mostly just buzzwords and pseudo-scientific jargon.

So far as I know, the speed of light is still yet to be exceeded. The only way to travel faster than light, is to slow light down to a manageable speed. Forgive me if this has been addressed already, but I'm highly skeptical of the claim. ... I do, however, vaguely recall reading an article a few years back claiming that a specialized sensor at the end of fiber optic line will register when light is present before the photons actually reach it... but it wasn't known at the time if it could be used to improve communications technology since no information was actually transmitted.

The only thing that can move faster than light in a vacuum is the vacuum itself. I.E. The universe is expanding faster than the speed of light. This is why some distant galaxies can be 20+ billion some light years away, yet the universe itself is only about 14 billion years old. The visible universe is only a small segment of the universe which is still close enough to us for light to reach. As the universe continues to expand and accelerate it's expansion - eventually some galaxies may "disappear" as the space the light is traveling in is expanding away from us faster than light can travel through it.

[edit on 30-6-2009 by Lasheic]

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by littlebunny

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If it's wrong why do we see it as true in the stars?

Not to be disrespectful, but this is a non starter. When you are viewed through other prisms you come across as a wave as well. Does that mean you are only a wave or are you in fact a solid that also has wave properties? Visual illusions exist in everything we experience.

Let me ask you a question. If an object is one million miles in circumference, with a billion total volume of three-dimensional miles, and it travels one hundred and thirty miles a second. Meaning, there was one hundred and thirty miles in front of that million mile object and then those same one hundred and thirty miles are now behind it one second later... did that object truly only travel one hundred and thirty miles?

Also a muon is very dense and strong. It should have odd properties. Why not? If something so small is so dense, could it not have it's own personal micro sized ergosphere, sort of.

It also has a life span that defies our understanding and travels further then we can account for, yet we can create them, force them to travel in a direction we demand, and find them without fault.... wherever they exist with impunity. Yet simply because they travel further then science demands is possible science says they exist outside space/time yet there is nothing to prove this place even exists. You would think science would talk about Muons every time S and G Relativity are talked about, but instead Muons are almost never discussed and when they are brought up they are quickly discussed and then quickly forgotten. Do you not find that odd?


--Charles Marcello




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