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Scientists Make Radio Waves Travel Faster Than Light

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posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
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And a priest began the first research into evolution.

Background is regardless if it is true.

The fact remain theory 2 is plausible and explainable. We have seen pictures of these black holes ejecting less then they suck in. We have seen the evidence of dark matter with Pioneer.

For all you know this Dark matter might just be you aether, but not as you imagined it.


I do not believe 96% of the universe is made up of invisible matter.

If you want to believe that kind of stuff, that's your choice.

I think it is a bunch of rubbish.




posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 06:04 PM
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Aether, how you describe it, IS invisible matter.

Wow, hypocrite.

In addition, it was backed by the church I believe, because they didn't believe in an absolute vacuum.

Again, hypocrite.

Of course if you can explain aether as anything but an invisible matter, be my guest. But it doesn't make sense any other way. because any other way invalidates what you see with your own 2 eyes.

Where is the dragging contrails of worlds?

Where is the particle to particle share of energy (invalidating that the photon exists)

Where is the sound of the sun?

[edit on 30-6-2009 by Gorman91]



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 06:06 PM
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Thank God!! Now I can finally tell my boyfriend that it is entirely possible for something to travel faster than the speed of light without using massive amounts of energy.

This is awesome. I really think we're going to start to see a lot more revolutionary, "outside the box" discoveries like this in the near future. It's really just a feeling I have.



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 06:08 PM
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Again, this is waves, not matter.

You are going to need lots of energy.

No matter how you go about it.



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 06:08 PM
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The aether as I describe it is a medium matter moves through.

As for the religious nonsense, this is a typical strawman that gets drummed up EVERY TIME I debate this.

When critics of plasma cosmology realize they are in a loosing battle they scream religion as a smoke screen to cover up the fact that the science of the big bang is bunk.

I have no interest in debating the religious implications of the science.

Lets stick to facts please. Like the fact you believe 96% of the universe is made out of invisible matter and black holes shoot matter out in jets.


[edit on 30-6-2009 by mnemeth1]



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 06:13 PM
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Actually I was not inviting you to discuss religion.

You brought it up first.

I replied.

Hypocrite much?

Also, I believe that the current energy in the universe is made of that amount of dark matter and energy.

I don't think this accounts for the vacuum.




If aether is a medium for which light goes through, then it invalidates the photon.

Explain how the photon exists if aether exists? Explain how this wave moving through aether does not decay within a few light seconds.

After all, the universe must obey the same principles as what you say.

What enables this light wave to disobey the laws of common waves like in water?

Wheres the contrails of planets?

where's the sound of the sun?

[edit on 30-6-2009 by Gorman91]



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 06:13 PM
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-NEWS FLASH-

Radio waves = light.

A radio antenna is basically a horrible light bulb filament.



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 06:14 PM
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I have not read every post in this thread.
Could some one tell me or point me in the direction where they explain how it is the know the radio waves are traveling faster then light?



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 06:16 PM
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You equated me to a creationist.

I replied.


As for the photon, I've already provided links to explainations for light that you obviously didn't bother to read.

If you want to criticize, at least take the time to read and understand the theories I claim are plausible, then criticize the theory, not me.



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 06:18 PM
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I did. But they violate your own principles

If you believe that light is transfered through a wave like sound it, you cannot believe in the photon. TO do so means there must be some kind of auditon. But there is not.

The simple fact remains that you are not explaining how aether works. You keep skipping that part.

And comparing you to a creationist mindset does not welcome the discussion of religion. You made that connection, not me.

[edit on 30-6-2009 by Gorman91]



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by mnemeth1
 


I did. But they violate your own principles

If you believe that light is transfered through a wave like sound it, you cannot believe in the photon. TO do so means there must be some kind of auditon. But there is not.

The simple fact remains that you are not explaining how aether works. You keep skipping that part.

And comparing you to a creationist mindset does not welcome the discussion of religion. You made that connection, not me.

[edit on 30-6-2009 by Gorman91]


I already provided links to theories explaining light in a steady state universe and links to the aether theory as it pertains to light.

I'm not going to hash out a 30 page paper here when you can click a link and read it yourself.



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 06:25 PM
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Providing links does not explain how you can not believe in theory 2 because it violates basic physicist, then you can believe in aether which goes against you reason for not believing in theory 2.

You are contradicting yourself now.

You must explain why the photon exists if it needs a material to go through.

Why must the photon exist in order to travel like a sound wave?

And once again, where are the contrails of items in space, why can't you hear the sun, and why isn't everything in the universe coming to a steady halt?

If you are such a devotee of your theory, you need to reinforce what your sources say, but describing it in your own words.



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by nunya13
 


Again, this is waves, not matter.

You are going to need lots of energy.

No matter how you go about it.




With all due respect that is simply not true. All one has to do is study the bastard of Science… Muons! Those little freaks, or complete embarrassments to science, proves beyond any doubt that matter can in fact travel faster then light. Of course, they say it goes into a magical place called a Relative State and so therefore they can ignore those little freaks. A state science cannot prove even exists, but then again their only stated goal is to find the truth right? Instead they ignore all concepts that destroys their stated truths. However as Muons prove, anything that destroys their ridiculous supposed facts, they either regulate them to be insignificant, or invariant. Like all the experiments that absolutely proves photons do in fact have mass. If you have a photon bounce between mirrors, the mass inside that experiment increases. It does so every single time, but they still call it invariant because it completely destroys Special Relativity just like this simple radio wave experiment does. What’s even more embarrassing to science is even General Relativity is dead wrong. All one has to do is study our reality within its full three-dimensional reality, M-Formula. Science is just now coming to terms with how wrong they have been. Over the next couple of years all of science will change. Not only because this radio wave experiment demands it, but also, because three-dimensional math proves everything we have been told are undeniable facts, are now undeniably wrong.


--Charles Marcello



[edit on 30-6-2009 by littlebunny]



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91

Why must the photon exist in order to travel like a sound wave?



It is starting to become clear even to science that photons and other atomic and sub atomic particles might not be waves at all. Rather it might be a visual illusion because of the fact of how fast the Earth traverses the Sun and how fast the Sun traverses the Universe. A simple visual experiment is beginning to prove this might be true. Here is a simple laymen’s experiment that can be done inside a car that might help you understand what science is just starting to learn.


A simple visual experiment.


I would suggest that you have three people in a car.

A Driver, a person sitting in the passenger seat, and the third person in the backseat. The speed of the car will change the visual effects you will experience as you start this experiment. What I suggest is this. As you drive down a freeway, have the driver pick out an object on the passenger side of road, and then have all three individuals describe what it is they see. Example: Coke Bottle, Pepsi Can, a piece of tire, a small paper bag, etc. etc... I would suggest you do this for a couple of miles to make sure all three are experiencing the same external framed reference point. Or more simply put, each are seeing the same thing, while each are traveling at the same speed, within the same time frame. Once each of you are convinced of this. This is what the passenger, and the passenger only, should do:

Close one eye.
Cuff both hands over your other eye so there is a complete seal around your entire eye socket. Then towards the back of your cuffed hands, bring your back fingers together until you have created the smallest visual hole you can barely see through. If everything is done properly you should not be able to see out the sides of your cuffed hands, nor should any light shine through your fingers. The small hole you have created out the back of your cuffed hands should be the only area you can see through. ***WARNING*** Do not use any other objects besides your hands. If you do, you could become seriously injured, including losing your eye. DO NOT use any other objects besides your hands.***

The person in the back seat should have a piece of paper and a pencil and write down what they actually see, and what the passenger describes.

The Driver is to call out the objects. However this time nobody says out loud what it is, only the passenger can say out loud what he/she thinks it is. The driver should do something like this. "Okay, here comes the object, (the person in the back seat writes down what it is), get ready, here it comes, here it comes, now." When the driver says now, the object should be just in front of the car, so as to give the passenger enough time to be fully alert.

As soon as the object passes through the passengers small opening, the passenger should say out loud what he/she thinks it was. Without telling the passenger if they were right or wrong, the person in the backseat should write down whatever object the passenger describes. The driver should give a least a couple of seconds before calling out another object.

Do this for five objects or more. Pull over. Have everyone switch seats. Other then the passenger saying out loud what they think they saw. Each person who sits in the passenger seat should keep the actual visual effects they experienced to themselves, until everyone has had a chance to be the passenger, only then should everyone describe the visual effects... See if each experiences are similiar or exactly the same. Also, it is okay to the tell the passenger once their turn is finished how many, if any, they got right. (the end)




--Charles Marcello



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 06:42 PM
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If it's wrong why do we see it as true in the stars?

Also a muon is very dense and strong. It should have odd properties. Why not? If something so small is so dense, could it not have it's own personal micro sized ergosphere, sort of.



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 06:43 PM
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I think it's a good post just because we need to keep the world on its toes about things like this.
So many people want life to be comfortable and safe and - we've finally figured it all out - and that's just not the way it is.

The article originally posted talks about getting people to begin to think about faster-than-light phenomena, but most of us know that the concept has been around for a long time. If not as long ago as the measurement of the speed of light in a vaccuum, then at least since the 1950's, as I have seen at least one book written back then that questioned it.

There are a lot of insider reports about "gray" projects concerning this and similar subjects that date back at least to that period of time.

There will always be those that will try to tell us that all this wild stuff is "impossible" but they are just limiting themselves or believing someone who is trying to limit them. Beyond the speed of light is only the tip of the iceberg!



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 06:46 PM
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I am interested in your experiment, but not sure how it works, could you explain?



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 06:49 PM
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I've already worked on designs for such a craft.

The simple fact is that I really don't see waves as the answer, to much energy to do it.

We already know that a heavy item going fast alters time. We need to look into altering time. Altering ergosphere of large scale rotating masses.

Muons even seem more interesting now.

Check my profile for something I created called "how to travel faster than light"

I think I should look into muons more now.

[edit on 30-6-2009 by Gorman91]



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 06:58 PM
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He says that the pulses we see are "light booms" -- shock waves made by a source moving faster than light, rather like the sonic boom created by a supersonic plane when it breaks the sound barrier.


www.spacedaily.com...

Anyone know where I can get a hold of the actual peer reviewed papers regarding this? ...because that analogy above seems highly suspect upon casual glance. What exactly is the outside source which pushes this "photonic boom"? Photons? A sonic boom travels at the speed of sound, but does not exceed the speed of sound. The energy travels at the same speed, but it's highly compressed because the object exceeding the sonic barrier is traveling at or faster than the speed of sound. Any noise it outputs is compounded in the same area which in which sound waves are already present.

A casual search on Google didn't turn up any credible scientific literature or publication - just news sites, blogs, and the like. Mostly just buzzwords and pseudo-scientific jargon.

So far as I know, the speed of light is still yet to be exceeded. The only way to travel faster than light, is to slow light down to a manageable speed. Forgive me if this has been addressed already, but I'm highly skeptical of the claim. ... I do, however, vaguely recall reading an article a few years back claiming that a specialized sensor at the end of fiber optic line will register when light is present before the photons actually reach it... but it wasn't known at the time if it could be used to improve communications technology since no information was actually transmitted.

The only thing that can move faster than light in a vacuum is the vacuum itself. I.E. The universe is expanding faster than the speed of light. This is why some distant galaxies can be 20+ billion some light years away, yet the universe itself is only about 14 billion years old. The visible universe is only a small segment of the universe which is still close enough to us for light to reach. As the universe continues to expand and accelerate it's expansion - eventually some galaxies may "disappear" as the space the light is traveling in is expanding away from us faster than light can travel through it.

[edit on 30-6-2009 by Lasheic]



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
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If it's wrong why do we see it as true in the stars?



Not to be disrespectful, but this is a non starter. When you are viewed through other prisms you come across as a wave as well. Does that mean you are only a wave or are you in fact a solid that also has wave properties? Visual illusions exist in everything we experience.

Let me ask you a question. If an object is one million miles in circumference, with a billion total volume of three-dimensional miles, and it travels one hundred and thirty miles a second. Meaning, there was one hundred and thirty miles in front of that million mile object and then those same one hundred and thirty miles are now behind it one second later... did that object truly only travel one hundred and thirty miles?



Also a muon is very dense and strong. It should have odd properties. Why not? If something so small is so dense, could it not have it's own personal micro sized ergosphere, sort of.



It also has a life span that defies our understanding and travels further then we can account for, yet we can create them, force them to travel in a direction we demand, and find them without fault.... wherever they exist with impunity. Yet simply because they travel further then science demands is possible science says they exist outside space/time yet there is nothing to prove this place even exists. You would think science would talk about Muons every time S and G Relativity are talked about, but instead Muons are almost never discussed and when they are brought up they are quickly discussed and then quickly forgotten. Do you not find that odd?


--Charles Marcello




[edit on 30-6-2009 by littlebunny]



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