Originally posted by Tryptych
I have always felt that the alien message would be about evolving: becoming smarter, tougher, faster, all around more evolved. Also it would be about "peace", because without harmony we would destroy ourselves, but I would consider the fact that they wouldn't use such primitive concepts.

Why would you feel that way? Why would Aliens have a need to interfere in our development? I f I was them watching our TV broadcasts for the last 100 years I would avoid this place like the plague and wait for the monkeys to wipe themselves out or grow up.

Ever stick your nose into a domestic dispute? It would be like that

They are keeping the Alien species which are here to caretake the planet and make the usual adjustments to the enviroment from coming in by using malevolent forces against them which they gained back in the 40's.

Originally posted by mugen1005
This does look real and yes there really are secret wars waged in space(My belief)This video reminds me of the game spore and i asked my self,Why have they never attacked us?!Why don`t they let us take part in the war?! or simply,Why don`t they speak and talk to us?!Possibly because the human race is the lowest of the low and our technology is primitive beyond the alien`s power.And there are lots of cover ups for it.

Humans do make good soldiers. Combat is in our blood. All they would need to do is give us some cool guns and cool craft and we would go up and kick some A.

That is really the only use for us I could see them having (other than enslaving us or using us as a food supply). We are inherently a soldier race. If we where to go to another world and go into battle we would have centuries worth of tactical training and combat technique that I think would come in handy for an alien race. We may be primitive, but we can fight.

The wonderful thing about the brain it can switch frequencies just by us tuning into certain pitches, if a person can hear certain frequencies below the human level, they would here how loud our computers screens are.


The only peace away from that frequency fence we set up is in space, and if that space is directing our satelites, well then our satelites could be uploaded with crertain frequency ranges that can and do manipulate our senses.

Secret war in space? I dunno. Us in the middle? Doubt it...we're probably still off limits to them seeing as we can't even seem to live by the prime directive here on our planet never mind be deemed worthy enough to be privy to the secrets of or play nice with the rest of the galaxy or universe.

That being said, I'm almost sure the space station has been weaponized, and nuclear wouldn't surprise me in the least. Start your research back a few years ago with all the increased shuttle flights and the Israeli involvement in Birmingham.

Why do we humans think so highly of ourselves to think that extraterrestrial life would even be interested in our planet? Ours is a tiny planet in a system with a small sun. Even if they could detect our sun, would our planet even create a “wobble” that they could detect even if they are far more advanced than us?

Even if they could detect our planet, how would we know they would be interested in a planet with water and green plants? There are many different theories on what other life might be like, one of those is silicone based. Would a silicone based life form be interested in a planet such as ours?

Even if they are interested in our planet, why would they let us humans go on destroying our planet. Even if they had a no interference policy, does that include not interfering when the destruction harms other life forms on the planet? It wouldn’t be much of a war I fear, they would more than likely easily annihilate us, after all to the contrary of human belief, this is not “Our Planet”, it belongs to all of the creatures that live here, and I do believe that an advanced alien civilization would have the same view.

Just some thoughts to ponder when considering this war that is supposedly going on with us in the middle.

What does the video amount to? I've seen it many times and it's certainly been discussed in part on ATS before. It amounts to no more than what people want to believe.

Buzz Aldrin clearly states in the video...

There's never been anything that I've experienced that gave me any cause to consider that there might be other life forms.

People just hear the words 'Buzz Aldrin' and then 'life forms' and conclude he's seen ETs. Dr Edgar Mitchell simply explains that he's open to investigating anything that merits study. He's on record and in interview catagorically ststing that he's no personal experience of UFOs or ET.

IIRC Dr Mark Carlotto was one of the big believers in Cydonia before the Mars Global Surveyor revealed a mesa. I think he used to have a back page dedicated to the trigonometry of Cydonia in UK UFO magazine of early to mid-nineties. I read his articles with enthusiasm and practically abandoned my interest in UFOs as a result.

Professor Kashar interests me. He appears to be a PhD, but displays a certain lack of critical thinking or scientific rigor. Google his name and he's largely associated with UFOs. That doesn't imply anything...Friedman is a nuclear physicist so it's possible to be academic AND have a UFO interest. In Kashar's case It's solely on his comments that he seems credulous. A research scientist is a default skeptic...is he?

None of which supports the OP that there is a war being waged in space. There's a technology war, a political war and definitely an espionage/surveillance war. I don't see any evidence of an alien war. Amateur astronomers aren't under the influence of shadow Govts, aliens or the dreaded Nasa. They aren't reporting explosions, debris or unusual activity in our outer atmosphere or immediate space. There's no debris falling to Earth that indicates a war...no crashed spacecraft. No fleets.

We are left with interesting videos from STS flights that have been discussed in depth on ATS. Of those, only a couple remain aloof of plausible explanations and remain inconclusive. We'll continue to discuss EBEs because it's all we can do...discuss the unknown.

Originally posted by AlienCarnage

Why do we humans think so highly of ourselves to think that extraterrestrial life would even be interested in our planet? Ours is a tiny planet in a system with a small sun. Even if they could detect our sun, would our planet even create a “wobble” that they could detect even if they are far more advanced than us?

Well our Sun is actually the most common star in the Universe, it is an average sized main sequence star with average luminosity. As far as being able to detect exosolar planets, well we are not that far off ourselves from having the technology to detect Earth sized planets orbiting stars. So I would guess an alien civilization at the least 100 years ahead of us would be able to easily find us, or at least put our planet into a 'habitable zone' category. Not to mention all the advances in quantum mechanics that should soon allow us to detect previously unknown EM bands that exist in the spacetime foam (subspace). This is also important because in addition to FTL communications and possibly travel, this could allow us to essentially 'quantum map' the Universe with extraordinary accuracy as judged by quantum perturbations, spectra, and and the overall quantum made up topography of spacetime.

Even if they could detect our planet, how would we know they would be interested in a planet with water and green plants? There are many different theories on what other life might be like, one of those is silicone based. Would a silicone based life form be interested in a planet such as ours?

If they were interested in it for colonization than they would probably not be interested in it unless they planned on terraforming it to fit their needs if they are indeed non-carbon based. But other than that I think any advanced space faring civilization would simply be interested for scientific purposes. I mean do we film documentaries or dive undersea because we are intending on moving in there? Do we study cells, astronomy, psychology, philosophy, etc because we need to? No, we do it because it betters our lives and advances our limited knowledge and experience of this very fast existence we live in.

Even if they are interested in our planet, why would they let us humans go on destroying our planet. Even if they had a no interference policy, does that include not interfering when the destruction harms other life forms on the planet? It wouldn’t be much of a war I fear, they would more than likely easily annihilate us, after all to the contrary of human belief, this is not “Our Planet”, it belongs to all of the creatures that live here, and I do believe that an advanced alien civilization would have the same view.

More than likely the rights of the planet in another advanced species view would fall on the most advanced species. Nature selected us to be the most advanced so therefor it falls on us to do what we need to to take care of our living environment. Plus normally everything evens itself out, nature will always take its course, whether it be an advanced species exterminating itself or polluting their planet to a point where a natural global catastrophe wipes them out. It is survival of the fittest, if we or another species are not fit to be here then we simply will not last long.

Just some thoughts to ponder when considering this war that is supposedly going on with us in the middle.

Indeed, but with all the rumors out there of the Earth being a major factor in the galaxy for whatever reason one must consider the possibilities. Plus, what if Earth is a vital strategic point for an existing intergalactic war? Just saying...

Originally posted by RedSnapper

Originally posted by franspeakfree
People on this site need to come to an agreement quickly about the existence of other beings in this universe apart from us. Then we can start talking about what is really going on in this world.

I really think we need to have a "believers section" on this site or something similar. That way we can move past the "is it real/did it happen?" stage which is really this sort of purgatory that most threads end up in, or both sides just get tired and the thread gets buried. Just a thought.

Thats such a good idea and to be honest I am suprised this hasn't been suggested before, those of us that have had ET encounters need somewhere to talk about each others experience without getting bullied by the 'show us proof' brigade. This in turn will allow certain freedoms of each member to express themselves accordingly.

It seems as though there are certain members just hell bent on derailing and destroying threads with their skepticism. For those of us who have had our own experiences, this skepticism becomes tedious and boring. I for one am growing weary as to trying to explain myself everytime I put a thread up.

Originally posted by antar
They are keeping the Alien species which are here to caretake the planet and make the usual adjustments to the enviroment from coming in by using malevolent forces against them which they gained back in the 40's.

Yes I agree but I feel that there are others that (just like on this site) have their own agendas as to what and how humankind should think. It is those others that we have to be weary of.

Originally posted by DaMod
If we where to go to another world and go into battle we would have centuries worth of tactical training and combat technique that I think would come in handy for an alien race. We may be primitive, but we can fight.

We can fight other humans because each human being is on the same level, however, when it comes to another race that is superior than us in every way, suddenly are bravado would be extinguished.

Originally posted by zorgon
Why would you feel that way? Why would Aliens have a need to interfere in our development? I f I was them watching our TV broadcasts for the last 100 years I would avoid this place like the plague and wait for the monkeys to wipe themselves out or grow up.

Ever stick your nose into a domestic dispute? It would be like that

Well, one interesting aspect is that (to my knowledge) the sightings increased dramatically after the first nuclear tests. That would make sense in the way that we invented something that could do real damage on the cosmic scale (that is also relative..). This is pure speculation, but we wouldn't want to apes have too powerful weapons if we wanted to keep them alive as a species.

I also don't believe that there's some kind of war in space, but maybe stupid humans trying to protect from the UFO's. Or maybe it's all lies and disinfo.

Interesting anyway.

Originally posted by menguard
Zorgon good to see you still hammering away.

Yeah thanks I just put together some stuff after my last reply here and its already two pages

I needz a sexatary

Originally posted by Tryptych
Well, one interesting aspect is that (to my knowledge) the sightings increased dramatically after the first nuclear tests. That would make sense in the way that we invented something that could do real damage on the cosmic scale (that is also relative..). This is pure speculation...

Well see if my 'speculation is correct then the Nuclear blasts would also attract the attention of the Critters... since it is a big release of energy, perhaps they found new feeding grounds

I also don't believe that there's some kind of war in space,

I do, but I only have circumstantial evidence at this point... some good stuff but you know how it is around here. Stay tuned for my next thread on Secret Space Programs though... it might give food for thought... it will at least raise an eyebrow or two