States brace for shutdowns

reply to post by whatukno


"Please explain to me how if a state goes broke they automatically loose all of their rights afforded them under the US constitution and their own constitutions? Please give me a detailed and well researched explanation on how that bull plop is even possible."

We must go back to the chicken and the egg. Which came first? Are we prosperous because of our freedoms or do we have these freedoms because we are prosperous?

As the prosperity of this once great country ebbs away, so too do we see our freedoms vanishing. Our freedoms were a luxury we could afford once, but it seems like no longer.

reply to post by whatukno


It's time for people to realize that the constitution and related documents are not being followed by the government, as originally intended. In fact the government uses those documents to further it's own agenda and passes all sorts of amendments and laws and bills with special wordings to dance around and bypass aforementioned documents.

Under the guise of solving the financial crisis, the government is simply going to pass more laws, bills and amendments which in reality give their puppet masters a tighter grip on the public; who have become nothing more than ignorant chattel.

Originally posted by Kombatt98
good good , the faster the america increases tax , the faster its collapse will be .

let Obama messiah continue the onslaught of socialism , only then will a revolution happen in USA and people will begin resisting the fascist socialist american federal empire

Visions of Iran.

Originally posted by total newbie
reply to post by whatukno

 

"Please explain to me how if a state goes broke they automatically loose all of their rights afforded them under the US constitution and their own constitutions? Please give me a detailed and well researched explanation on how that bull plop is even possible."

We must go back to the chicken and the egg. Which came first? Are we prosperous because of our freedoms or do we have these freedoms because we are prosperous?

As the prosperity of this once great country ebbs away, so too do we see our freedoms vanishing. Our freedoms were a luxury we could afford once, but it seems like no longer.

I am just wondering how all these states, "WENT," broke to begin with.

reply to post by warrenb


I know that wasn't directed at me, but I feel I'm ready. All I need is one of those spiffy suits your avatar has. Know where I can get one?

“Hotel California”

Worst case scenario, I’ll be living on the streets, something I’ve done before. Fortunately for one who is fully conscious and reasonably wise, it is still relatively easy to survive on the streets, of California.

F.T.G.

Peace on Earth!


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reply to post by whatukno


Its just a form of blackmail. Its been happening for a long time. That is why no state has YET gone ahead with the whole 10th amendment thing asking the govt to step down because they had oversteped their roles and gone against the constitution. The fed govt. would just say "ok no more money for you then". Going with the flow beats going with out. So, they would just agree to whatever the fed govt said no matter how unconstitutional it was.

BUT, and here is an interesting turn of events.... the fed govt is broke too especially now thanks to obama. Plus there is already a housing/job/hunger/etc crisis. The fed govt no longer has anything to bargan with. EXCEPT thanks to Bush they call martial law and send in the fed troops. However, if the state calls martial law, then all troops who are citizens of that state must return home to defend the state.

Now, if it is just one state then the govt could very easily strong arm them. If it is oh, say 5 or more going at the same time, then you have a very interesting situation on your hands.

Originally posted by seasoul
Worst case scenario, I’ll be living on the streets, something I’ve done before. Fortunately it is still relatively easy to survive on the streets, in California.
[edit on 30-6-2009 by seasoul]

Not if the sheriff of your county says you dont have to.

He is paid with that state money that will be turning into IOU's by Thursday. He wont want to leave his house either.

As for food and what not, another form of a monetary system will kick in like it did in the great depression.

So you think the 30 States that have gave notice to the Government are just playin games???? There is serious S#*t happening across the nation and it'll get worse before getting better.
Oklahoma, for one, voted on secession...passed I believe 92-3. Texas is next in line. The States don't get fed money, they get back a % of what they put in the kitty, with the exception of disaster funds & grants.
I read a article about Texas where they compare there State with Countries of the world....pretty eye opening. Texas has a surplus each and every year and a balanced budget. Maybe we should look to Texas for some guidence.
We all search for answers here on ATS, here is one we can rally behide, only you sit back and critit the hell out of it. All aboard, the true Republic is rolling down the tracks.

reply to post by Stormdancer777


States go 'broke' because they have idiot forecasters. The state of California spent more money then what they had, thinking that they would be able to pay everything off during the year. The problem is that you can't keep placing a percentage increase in a budget, if there isn't any money. Apparently, politicians can't seem to grasp this. Budgets are very hard to decrease because politicians want to keep the pork. I can only imagine how much better off California would be, if they didn't spend money on ridiculous programs and projects.

Let me give you an example of forecasters in government sectors. I know for a fact that this type of example isn't limited to my own experiences. I work for one of the biggest state run university systems in the country. A year before the Sept/Oct 2008 crash, I had told them that they need to reduce their budgets substantially in order to survive for the economic slowdown which will begin in Fall 2007 and will only be worse in the following years. Not only did they not listen to me, they laughed it off, saying that I was 'too young and naive.' As you can tell, they increased the budget after my warning. As of today, the university is told by the state to make $80 million in cuts before Fall, and more is to come in 2010.

The problem as to why states/government fail, is because those at the top, believe they are the smartest people in the room, when they have no idea what's going on around them in the real world.

Il is in the same boat. They are talking about laying off police officers. Mabey it will wake a few of them up. They think they are part of the inner circle. They don't yet realize they are just as skrewed, as we are. This is going to get real ugly really quick. The less police the more crime, usually. That is going to drive more people out. That means less money coming in. That means less police, and the whole thing starts all over again.

Originally posted by seasoul
“Hotel California”

Worst case scenario, I’ll be living on the streets, something I’ve done before. Fortunately for one who is fully conscious and reasonably wise, it is still relatively easy to survive on the streets, of California.

F.T.G.

Peace on Earth!


[edit on 30-6-2009 by seasoul]

Del Taco has tasty trash if you get there right when they throw it out!

We're kind of jumping the fence here on this one as this happens with the federal govt. also it's not a big deal.

Your state has a bunch of know it alls that argue over what money in the allotted budget should be spent where once that's hashed out it's sent up the chain. The money is then distributed according to that budget.

The problem with the states right now is there is not enough in the budget for every organization. So they are arguing over whom gets what. Once the current budget money is spent and these people haven't agreed yet then no state employee gets paid and funds are nill until they agree to the budget plan.

So in essence it's the states own fault if it can not agree on where the cuts should be made and who should get what. When I worked for the federal govt. this would happen quite often right down to the wire and we would be told be prepared to not get paid for a month but you will get your back pay once the budget is agreed upon and passed in Washington. Only once I went without a pay check due to it happening but it was a yearly thing to plan for just in case.

reply to post by eightonefive


“One man’s trash is another man’s treasure.”

You’d be surprised what people throw away. There is an art as well as a science, to learning how to "live off the fat of the land," squandered urban land that is … that commercial waste land that some refer to as the “asphalt jungle.”

Personally eightonefive, I prefer the dumpsters at Trader Joes to the dumpsters at Del Taco. Of course, that doesn't mean I don't like Mexican food.

F.T.G.

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The federal government never bailed the states out but instead it bailed out private industries? WTF?

reply to post by warrenb

Originally posted by warrenb
reply to post by 12.21.12

 

SHTF

it's coming

you can feel it, I can feel it, we can all feel it (at least on ATS)

question is

Are you ready?

About as ready as I can be. I have weened myself away from the traditional american way of living (materialism and debt) and have become more accustomed to dealing without, I am just waiting for the rest of the world to come and join me.

reply to post by ufoptics


The cost of living in California for the most part is too expensive. Many of the owners cannot afford it so in essence that land has been sold or outsourced. It will become the target for the banking cartel, California is gonna see it happen first. I think states like Texas can declare sovereignty and still have enough self sufficiency to sustain. California has good natural resources too, but they are bankrupt.

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reply to post by MichaelMysteries

Originally posted by MichaelMysteries
The federal government never bailed the states out but instead it bailed out private industries? WTF?

Just wait, they will. Thats next.

They will bail out the states next, lather rinse repeat.


[edit on 30-6-2009 by 12.21.12]

This is all perfect timing. Did anyone here notice in the news that the they are withdrawing troops from Iraq right now from major cities. Now since the states is about to collapse and soon the troops might be patroling the streets. its all coming together now the next chess move is in place.

On second thought, we all know the FED's gonna crash it's just a question of when and how. IMO The FED will not crash until there are at least several states who recieve federal government bailouts, this HAS to happen first BEFORE the FED crashes. Because if the FED crashes before any states are financially bailed out by the FED they cannot take them in with the NAU or issue new currency under the NAU. States must sign their souls away to the Federal Government so that the gameplan can continue as planned.

Here in Arizona we are facing a shutdown next week, and the controlling parties' response to this? Why passing a flat tax that will ct the top 5% of earners taxes in half of course. Their rationale is that lower taxes for the rich create more jobs, which is an oversimplification of the whole scenario. If the rich are the ones that are creating jobs, then it is they that are to blame for the current illegal immigration problem , at least in part. Here in Arizona that situation is a huge problem, yet these so called job makers refuse to take any of the blame. On top of that they are the first to scream " why should we have to pay for these so called anchor babies to go to school?" .Uh, maybe because in your lust for more money you all encouraged these people to come across the border. On top of that they also were the ones that cost this state millions with the alt- fuel vehicle fiasco back in 2001. Add to this the fact that almost every piece of legislation passed in this state, every other state, and the federal government is directly influenced by lobbyists hired by them and serve no purpose except to make them even more money, such as legislation benefiting the insurance companies, the pharmecuetical industry, the private prison industry, etc., etc., etc.

Well, we still have not passed the budget, with no days left, but we have gotten closer to stricter anti-abortion legislation which requires a 24 hour waiting period and the right of any pharmacy to refuse to dispense the morning after pill because of moral beliefs. We also are close to passing a law requiring all police dept.s in the state to check immigration status, which I also back, but I really do not understand why this cannot be dealt with after a budget is passed. I realize that Arizona politics is the laughing stock of state politics, with clowns like Joe arpaio and Manet Napolitano to our credit, but seriously, what are these jerks thinking. Our state police agency will have to cut any non-essential duties ( noone is really sure how that will play out)
and it has been reported that no child abuse calls will be investigated as long as the shutdown is in effect, but these jokers sure have their priorities in order....screw the budget, tax cuts for the rich, anti abortion laws and illegal immigration are more important.