If I do this, will you hate me too, like you hate the "elites"?

I have a hypothetical scenario about an "elite" person coming into "power" from nothing, just because he has the desire to.

Let's say I start an LLC and work as a consultant for various small businesses in my local area. Maybe I'll offer network security, IT, advertisement, or whatever my skill set allows, for lawyers, doctors, and other high profit small businesses. I'll use my life savings to start it up, or maybe get a loan from the bank. After a time, I'll hire on some more people and expand my market. Perhaps I'll go regional with my consulting firm. I mean heck, I could get a 120,000 dollar loan from the bank and start an electrician company right now without even knowing anything about electricity! I'll start hire me a couple of newly earned electrician I's who will glady work for $28,000 a year in this economy! Oh Boy, I'm really going to exploit these two guys into working for $14/hour while I'm racking in $165/hour!

I'd be the pimp to my electrician hoes! It's a risk! Maybe I'll go bust! Maybe I'll start bringing in the average $200,000 net revenue that the average electrician company does! Hey, once I have the security of this company, I can start others! I can even sell it for millions if I want! No way! I'll start another one first, and then sell this one if my other one makes as much or more! Then I'll take that money and start another business! Maybe an auto-mechanic shop! Everyone is pretty much forced to work for beans in this economy! Perfect time to exploit the nation!

Heck, once I'm raking in the dough, maybe I'll set up a small chain of specialty stores like places that offer commercial grade copying/scanning/poster making, etc.. all centered around other smaller businesses. Eventually, I'll be sure to get contracted with some larger business like Wal-Mart, Publix, and even government contracts working as a consultant for them. Once revenue rises, instead of being happy with the money made and thinking "I'm the man now", I'll re-invest it into other areas. Some areas will fail, some will be great. It might be a roller-coaster ride! I'll invest in stocks and form some smaller partnerships with other people in order to enter into profit-sharing deals with their own startup businesses which I think might be successful. I could even open up a tax building to provide other small businesses with their own accountants, and increase seasonal employment around tax season to service general clients!

Oh, wow! I'm taking risks! It's been a great ride guys! I'm racking in over $9 million dollars a year now from supplying a simple service that other small businesses needed and simply multiplying profits... I can easily make more by investing more! I'm gonna purchase up a business or two now to get rid of local competition in a few key places! It'll be better off in the long run!

The icing on the cake though is when I open up a branch of banks! This is where I get money for nothing and then buy federal reserve stock to get membership! Oh snap! I'm really getting there now!

I can print my own money now! Best thing is they don't even audit! Muhaha! I'm in the matrix now! I've uncovered the truth of government and manipulation of reality!

I figure will all this money, I should "donate" to some lobby groups and try to get a few laws changed, especially laws about employment insurance and working conditions! I need to shift the profit baselines so I can make more money doing the same thing!

After I concentrate on this arena for a little while, perhaps I'll even get a pawn to fund to run for state senator or congressman and make deals with him behind the scenes. I now have the power to control the government behind the scenes! I'll even fund a few more guys to get in there in a few other states and they can act as my "dogs on a leash" to make it easier for me to do my business around the country.

How do you feel about this hypothetical situation?

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This is why new business, creative ideas, good talent surface during recessions. You have to come up with good ideas, implement them, and execute.

You should do just that in fact if you have the drive. Anything you really want to do, as you prob. know you can do. I wouldn't feel regret about being ultra wealthy.

EDIT: I am assuming you are jk about the money part btw - but if you have those skills you know what i mean

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2x edit

after reading again im not even sure which parts you are serious about, but if you are an elite i could use a get out of free jail card perhaps down the line - thanks in advance

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we have to hate you. you will become a member of the NWO.

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Well, the first half of your post outlined capitalism. The weird thing is you are acting like it is a bad thing!

Look at what you did. During a recession, you employed 2 electricians, who can now feed their families and even maybe purchase a house between their income and their spouses income that work at those specialty printing stores you opened from the profits you made as an electrician.

Then, as generous as you are you didnt just sit on your new found fortune.... you even invested! Helping others to profit and employ more people and to profit more!..Your cookin now!

Then you got serious. You opened up a small banking chain. Lord knows we could use more of those. Since you have the moxy to do so much you have obviously made wise business decisions, so you continue that trend when you provide home loans for deserving people! In essence providing roofs for families that need them!

Your a damn swell guy! I gotta say, Id even vote for you in your bid for your districts congressional seat!

As someone who has owned and operated 3 different businesses, I can attest to the looooong hours and blood sweat and tears it takes to run a small business. If you succeed, more than likely you deserved it. Ill admit that may not be hte case 100% of the time, and capitalism is not perfect, but it sure beats the hell out of fascism, or socialism when it is done by people with integrity!

So if you decide to give it a go, I say good luck sir! Your gunna need it..especially in these times.

oh and btw...theres 2 sides to every coin

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If you went around bragging about it some may be mad or jealous but to have wealth and prosperity, created from your own ideas should be commended!

I cant speak for all but I certainly wouldnt hate you. It also depends on how you aquired the wealth. Ever hear of the book called "Swimming with the sharks"

It's not good to gain from others misfortunes.

Originally posted by GreenBicMan

after reading again im not even sure which parts you are serious about, but if you are an elite i could use a get out of free jail card perhaps down the line - thanks in advance

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I clearly stated twice that it was a hypothetical situation! There is nothing real about it.

I'm just trying to get into the mindset of people who are "anti-elite" or if what I've described is even an "elite"?

Please feel free to elaborate further, i found this an interesting read.

SnF

Dont know what it is with you and grapesofraft and few others trolling these forums with "We love the Elite" topics, but your obviously misinformed about who we consider TPTB. Or why we are against what they do in the first place.

Next to nobody on these forums will care if you do that. Youll actually probably be commended. But once you start dealing under the table with money that isn't yours for objectives that harm the greater populus, then youll have problems.

Other then that enjoy your stay in america.

Completely understand your point, and the answer is -- at least for me -- no, I wouldn't hate you. I would respect you for risking your own money and time and effort for your vision, and having realized it.

Now, if I see evidence that you've purchased a politician, or have "spread your wings" into the Defense network, or, God forbid, pharmaceuticals, well, then, we'll have to talk. You might have just become the "bad guys".

Otherwise, sail on....... be the person you visualized. I hope your hypothetical entity doesn't wake up one day and realize they are old and haven't lived a whit.

Warren? Warren? Is that you, Warren? LOL

Originally posted by Ansiroth
Dont know what it is with you and grapesofraft and few others trolling these forums with "We love the Elite" topics, but your obviously misinformed about who we consider TPTB. Or why we are against what they do in the first place.

I can't believe that you actually consider this thread to be trolling! I'm merely trying to find out what people here consider to be elite, tptb, or the nwo. I really have no clue and am obviously not as well versed in the matter as you. I am very much offended by your accusation, however. I think you are being a little presumptuous.

I'll admit, I created this thread after reading the thread by "grapesofraft" because I don't understand the differences between all of the groups. This thread might as well be called "Am I an elite if I do this?"

Next to nobody on these forums will care if you do that. Youll actually probably be commended. But once you start dealing under the table with money that isn't yours for objectives that harm the greater populus, then youll have problems.

Well If I bought a few politicians and then attempted to later run for senate/congress for my own personal reasons what would I be considered?

Like, I'm trying to figure out what distinguishes between an elite, a power that be, and a member of the nwo because I'm very much confused by these terms when reading the site.

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Great hypothetical. Of course you are just being a good capitalist. There is nothing wrong with it whatsoever. You would be creating jobs and profit and as you spent or invested your 9 mil a year you would be helping to stimulate the economy and help other businesses to start or grow.

Didn't mean to offend, just saying i read these forums daily, and all of sudden i see a few of you guys with no recognizable avatars (I know i dont use one either) all kind of spouting the same topic- The elite aren't so bad! Not trying to marginilize you or anything, but people around here get suspicuos that you might be a disinfo agent when you go on about the elitism and how its not all that bad. Becoming successful is great yes, do whatever you feel is right to attain success... just don't do the wrong things to attain success.

Originally posted by argentus
Completely understand your point, and the answer is -- at least for me -- no, I wouldn't hate you. I would respect you for risking your own money and time and effort for your vision, and having realized it.

Now, if I see evidence that you've purchased a politician, or have "spread your wings" into the Defense network, or, God forbid, pharmaceuticals, well, then, we'll have to talk. You might have just become the "bad guys".

Otherwise, sail on....... be the person you visualized. I hope your hypothetical entity doesn't wake up one day and realize they are old and haven't lived a whit.

Okay, so the fortune you don't really care about?

It's just the power then? I mean, money is power to a degree and you can distribute that power into various sectors. If I take my potential power (money) and turn it into power (buying off someone) then I am an "elite" or am I a power that be?

From what I understand the hierarchical structure goes like this:

poor -> middle-class -> wealthy -> elite -> power that be -> part of the nwo -> reptilians

Even more intriguing, is that if there is an nwo, then there must be an owo or even a cwo? I rekkon that the cwo (current world order) is the comfort zone of society, while the nwo is people breaking free from the comform.

Are the poor people the main people behind the owo? For example, is the owo the group which keeps crime around, fosters disease, and are generally unsuccessful and uneducated.

This points to the owo as being the order that will wipe out humanity if we do not change...

Sorry if I'm getting to theoretical here. I just find it interesting and would be more than happy if people would be willing to talk about this on a conceptual level that doesn't have to involve such things as black and white good and evil.

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From what I understand the hierarchical structure goes like this:

poor -> middle-class -> wealthy -> elite -> power that be -> part of the nwo -> reptilians

Perfect! I don't recall a better classic understanding of the alleged heirarchy!

No, I wouldn't begrude you any power that came as a function of your immense wealth. People get rich, they want to change things. Hopefully, they want to affect the lives of those that, but for the Grace of [insert theological entity] goes you.

The abuse of that power, and the need to garner even more power...... that addiction would land you in poor graces with me. Of course, by that time, you could have me swatted like a bug with just a whisk of your pen, so no worries. You probably wouldn't even bother, just point out that I hang out................................. here!

those dang conspiracy nuts, they're all whackamoles, I tell you! Whackamoles!

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So it is bad to work in the defense or pharmaceutical sectors? Do you not need medicine from time to time or a military to protect your freedom? Would you rather have someone do a voodoo dance when you get sick or throw some powder on you and chant away your illness? Would you rather we try to defend our nation with bows and arrows?

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you're preaching to the choir grapes. I served my time, and served it well, and believed then in what I was doing same as now.

My point is, both of those industries lack oversight, IMO, and both have a demonstrated history of abuse of the trust people placed in them. Baxter. Blackwater. Add another "B", make it an illiteration

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p.s. There's a fur piece in between the blood and bones voodoo you reference and western medicine. Myself, I employ a good amount of "alternative" medicine. It shouldn't be called that, given that much of it was in existance prior to western medicine. I like you just fine, grapes. I think you're painting with a very wide brush.

cheers

Just because some one has degree in electrical engineering, does not mean they know what to do, in fact they know absolutely nothing, but math and science behind it.

That's why programmers and engineers earn 100,000+ after 3 years of experience.

Graduate only efficient with one of 5+ years experienced engineer. And if you won't increase his/her salary he will leave you.

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As bad as it may sound, that was a simple, accurate outline for the American dream.