Some of the elite are intelligent, many are not. Just take a look at George W Bush, a C grade student who can barely string a sentence together. A man who when asked what sovereignty meant to him was so utterly stumped it was painful to watch. Jelousy? No. I would hate to be rich. People might think that's just talk but i really woudln't like it. It's why i don't play the lottery

People are angry because it appears the "elite" are trying to take away rights and reduce peopel to slaves. Something i will not support.

This thread is presumptive,if the OP had left out the "Why" in his thread title,then I would have felt "free" to say something.
As it is I can contribute nothing, it's a waste of time.

Im confused as to what a "rich" person may be ?
Is that over 100k a year, over One Million a year ?

If I made over 80k a year I would consider myself rich

Originally posted by grapesofraft
I always here people complaining about the "Elite" controlling the world and holding us all back. That is just ridiculous. We live in a country that is full of opportunity. Why is it that a person can come here from a foreign country and become successful, if there is some group of people that are holding everyone back? Why is it that a kid could leave high school or college and start a business and become wildly successful, if we are held down by the Powers that Be?

Because her/his business serves to enrich the elite in some way and is therefor permitted.

I think it is just a matter of being jealous of people who have developed the skills to be successful, while some people are incapable or unwilling to do what it takes to succeed.

Considering the skills to be successful in terms of 'the elite', "What it takes to succeed" as you put it, are basically sociopathy, corruption and greed and theft, I HARDLY think any person in touch with their basic humanity could possibly be jealous of such ethical and moral bankruptcy.

So tell me why is there so much hate of people who succeed, and why do you consider them a threat to you. Why do you call them the elite, when they are no different from you other than the fact that they have greater accomplishments?

I dont hate anyone, and I dont despise the successful, if they are indeed successful on their terms meritfully, and without damaging anyone else on the 'way up' as it were.



Elite is a term, that not only describes the 'best' of a society, but also referes to superior wealth. The Elite have made some amazing acomplishments, just look around at the wonderful world they own, control and create! They are a threat because they steal the common wealth, (10Trillion so far?) plan agendas that effect everybody based not on merit, but on simple financial capacity that have practicall destroyed our planet, and constantly propagate war for profit. (War involves this activity called 'Killing People')

They have NOT achieved their position by some form of meritocracy, rather used wealth (usually inherited) to maintain their position at the expense of others.

If you worked hard to get wealthy, you employ lots of people, and somehow managed to not be totally evil, Great job! well done! But after all the money is in the bank, thats were the true test of REAL elite begins, what to do with this incredible enabler! I've noticed a trend that the most wealthy of our world seem to be contributing the most to it's destruction and human misery. Why is that? How is THAT elite and HOW can that be worthy of JEALOUSY???

Then again, there is the human elite, people who work selflessly for others, and use parts of thier wealth to philanthropize communities around the world that desperately need it for the betterment of the greater good. You HAVE to respect that.




$0.02





peace.

[edit on 30-6-2009 by Trunkeight]

Originally posted by ohioriver
I don't think it is so much jealousy as it is a sense of injustice. I'm all for successful people. But most of the super rich cross the line from successful to criminal. How many times in the recent news have we seen corruption in so called rich people. Banker bailout, corruption, Madoff, Wall Street, GM, AIG Execs.

Yes, it is injustice. I am a retired nurse, and now a substitute school teacher. That is success, but the money didn't come with it. It's been enjoyable work, but hard work also. You have people in the film industry pretending to be other people and making millions, is that success or injustice? You have grown men chasing a football or basketball and they make millions. As I stated, I am a retired nurse, I saved lives. I now teach kids who, in this society, are messed up. Every time I see on make progress, I feel successful, but I'm sure not making millions doing it.

Originally posted by aero56
You have people in the film industry pretending to be other people and making millions, is that success or injustice? You have grown men chasing a football or basketball and they make millions.

Yup, but who enabled them, who spends those dollars to watch grown adults play make-believe little kid games? Who pays those sports figures all that money by buying those tickets to watch men play kid games with little balls? I've never spend a dime buying a sporting event ticket, never, and never will. And, I wait to watch movies when the rental DVDs are being sold for $3 .. and after I watch them I loan them to my friends that are even cheaper than me. Those clowns aren't getting rich off me.

Funny thing, isn't it? While some harp on those making ridiculous amounts of money, many turn around and idolize them by buying those things that make the elite rich. The rich can't become rich without the willful cooperation and participation of those they got their money from. You want to stick it to the elite rich, STOP spending money on anything but the basic bare necessities in life and limit your purchase of nonessential items to like maybe one iToy a year. And, of course, even the elite rich stick it to each other. Yeah, that Madoff fellow jacked a lot of people that didn't deserve to get stiffed like they did, but he also wiped out a lot of snotty rich elite people too.

I have to say that something must be done with corporate raiders though. THAT is where most of the abuse comes from. An individual that owns and runs their own business can't jack themselves because they already own their business, but those publicly held corporations are owned by the shareholders, and CEOs of those corporations should have their compensation capped at what the shareholders are willing to pay them. Too many public corporations have been run into the ground by CEOs that have no vested interest in the business like a private business owner does, and something needs to be done to stop them raiders from running those public traded businesses into the ground.

Originally posted by R3KR
Im confused as to what a "rich" person may be ?
Is that over 100k a year, over One Million a year ?

If I made over 80k a year I would consider myself rich

"I have walked on the surface of the Sun... witnessed events so tiny and so fast, that they can hardly be said to have occurred at all. But you, Adrian, you're just a man. The world's smartest man poses no more threat to me than does its smartest termite."

I'd be rich if I could truthfully say that...

OP.

You assume that "we" think all rich people are bad.

Nope.

There are bad poor people, and bad rich people.

But if one is holding a gun, and the other a button that blows the world up (a bit dramatic, yes...), wouldn't you be a bit more out spoken against the second one?

There is nothing wrong with banks, huge corporations, billionaires, etc.

There is something wrong with a few people up top at any of those places. Since they have economic power and political influence because of that - that is why people hate on them. They ABUSE their powers not for the good of human kind, but for the good of 5000 compared to hundreds of millions.

We are not talking a few pennies - see the current bills going through?

One after another...

they have clubs - they ensure you do not... their clubs have secrets ... your club has baseball bats...
America is based on Deception and the decieved... just grab a thread and start pulling and see what unravels...

The real question is, why do the rich, intelligent elite think they are better than everyone else?

the "Elite" where i come from in the UK have led very privileged lives. All will have received the best education at the most expensive schools in the country. After this they will go to Oxford or Cambridge from there with the fine contacts made they will be able to fill the professions , Lawyers , bankers and other high powered profesions. These people who have led this privileged life, believe it is perfectly fair and do not really understand why the rest of us are unhappy with the situation.

There is no meritocracy as we are led to believe. Elites have a massive head start in life and it's very difficult to move into that social strata.

The Elites look down on us common folk, although I find in this country we almost like to doff our cap to the gentry, keep us in our place like.
The fact we'll have a Tory government tends to support to this.

"The End Does NOT Justify The Means."
WHO ARE "THE USELESS EATERS"?? ELITES ARE USELESS EATERS!!-- NOT THE PEOPLE WHO DO THE WORK!

I am not jealous.

What I dislike is that they are given opportunities that others are not afforded. If your rich, you get to go the best schools. But you can be a good student, but if you can't afford Princeton, you are not going. They get the best healthcare, and buy whatever the need.

When it comes to health and education, all things should be created equal.

This discussion is not really about jealousy of the rich, it's about the morally and ethical ways on how wealth is obtained and invested.
Not every person who invents something, writes a great song or book,developes a great idea reap the rewards of their labor.
Not everyone that is rich is intelligent and/or powerful.
Being born into wealth is a completely different topic all together.

Originally posted by Haydn_17
The real question is, why do the rich, intelligent elite think they are better than everyone else?

Exactly, I can bet the OP is probably some stuck up, snooty, trust fund kid who thinks he/she is more intelligent than us Just because they have wads of cash and probably no real power whatsoever!

Okay the OP and Divinorumus are both under the impression that people covet them because they feel elite and intelligent due to the fact they have enormous wads of cash. They are suffering from an over inflated ego, so I am staying out of this topic, since it's point, in the first place was to help them inflate their ego some more.

Nobody is jealous of the elite, nor the wealthy, and those that are; are not sitting in their armchairs whining, either, they're out there Busting their humps working on grabbing a piece for themselves. If you think that people out there sitting on their butts taking YOUR money, you really are psychotic, because nobody is stealing your money.

Unless you own a corporation, you are not paying that much to helping people sit on their butts, unless you call the retired americans Jealous, coveting, whiners; which by no means would be true because they worked for that money. Since most others (welfare & foodstamp,unemployment and SSI recipients) are required to go to job training or search for employment, or HAVE worked ion teh past and paid into those things themselves, being tax payers.
So who exactly are you talking about, Retirees, welfare cases, or the disabled? I am sure we'd all like to know.