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Why are people jealous of the rich, intelligent, and powerful "Elite"?

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posted on Jun, 29 2009 @ 07:39 PM
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lol, so you just don't like their kids? haha what a joke.


I'm not exactly poor and I have had the pleasure of doing business with trust fund idiots. I am not saying they are all that way, but some of them are simply pathetic. Some have no business sense and a sense of entitlement. I started a couple of businesses with some very stupid children of wealthy people. They didn't want to work and had no idea of how to do anything anyway.

Then there is my ex-wife, another trust fund marvel,...blah,blahblah...




posted on Jun, 29 2009 @ 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by grapesofraftI am of the belief that we all suffer bad luck from time to time, but that people who succeed use it as a way to improve themselves whereas people that fail use it as an excuse as to why they have failed.


Grapesofraft, I totally agree.

The most successful person I have ever known made his first million before he was 11. He dropped out of High School at the age of 14 when he cleared 10 million. By the time he was 21 he lost it all.

He had a friendly competition going on with another mutual friend of mine who went through the same thing. He was a self-made millionaire in his youth, made bank in his teenage years, and lost it all, his own company taken over and he was ousted by the Board of Directors.

Do you know what both of them did after each of them hit rock bottom?

They built it all up and started it over again.

The first friend has made himself a millionaire, lost it all and reclaimed that life again 6 times. The second friend is going through his fifth time right now (his Board of Directors ousted him from his own company yet again, this time they did it while he was on the ISS). Each and every time it gets easier and easier for them to do climb right back up to where they once were and to climb even higher than ever before.

You can blame people and complain as much as you like, but if you aren't doing something proactive about the position your life is in then you aren't going to get much of anywhere other than bitter while trying to placate the blame to someone else.

Those who are successful in any field, whether Finance, Technology, the Arts, Homemakers, Parents, or just plain old Happiness, are people who learn from their mistakes and aren't afraid to keep dreaming and keep on trying over and over and over, no matter how many times it takes. Those who want who have not and have no desire to try, are the ones pointing fingers at TPTB.

To everyone else pointing their finger at "Them" or TPTB...

No one controls you and no one is responsible for your life being the way it is. You make choices and you must live with the results of those choices, whether you like it or not. If you make your bed, then you have to sleep in it. No one in Washington, nor the Mainstream Media, nor the Shadow Governments, nor the NWO, nor the Aliens, nor the Jews or the Illuminati is responsible for your life and where you are today.

You and only you are responsible for your life, freedom and happiness. No one is denying you any of these things but yourself!

Free your Mind and your A** will follow!

Actually It reminds me of that KMFDM song Dogma Lyrics Found Here

[edit on 29-6-2009 by fraterormus]



posted on Jun, 29 2009 @ 07:41 PM
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Actually a good place to start out with is Wage-Labor and Capital, by Karl Marx, which can be found (for free) here.

I know it's Karl Marx, and some people are probably screaming in their heads "SOCIALIST PROPAGANDA!" but never mind that nonsense. It's a great essay, and it explains capitalism very well, albeit in a damning light.

A good essay for anyone wanting to understand how things work. I'm pretty sure the same Elites we're talking about in this thread have used that essay, and it's ideas, too (although they would never admit it).



posted on Jun, 29 2009 @ 07:42 PM
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Good points, a star for you. There is nothing wrong with passing wealth down to your family, in fact it is a wise thing to do.

Also, you are right that those things the other poster listed are parts of capitalism.

Maybe the problem now days is this perceived need to protect the weak and to punish the successful. I think it is getting away from the very evolutionary means that helped humans to out develop our primate relatives.



posted on Jun, 29 2009 @ 07:46 PM
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Excellent post. A star for you. What you say is dead on and I couldnt say it better myself. One of the richest people I know, and my personal hero, is a man that dropped out of school in the 10th grade because he got his now wife pregnant. He worked his butt off to support her and their child. Started a business in his early 20's. Struggled for years to make ends meet with that business. Then he finally found ways to make it suceed and is doing quite well.

Now he could have just given up and blamed the events of his life for his fate, but then he would just be another miserable person whining about how the world is holding him back. Instead, he is happy and excited about life and enjoys the fruits of his risks and labor.



posted on Jun, 29 2009 @ 07:47 PM
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because they never took the time to learn anything that wasnt directly in front of their face... its simple... have a plan and work it... if the plan doesnt work ... figure out why and try again.... never give up...



posted on Jun, 29 2009 @ 07:47 PM
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because they never took the time to learn anything that wasnt directly in front of their face... its simple... have a plan and work it... if the plan doesnt work ... figure out why and try again.... never give up...



posted on Jun, 29 2009 @ 07:48 PM
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I have read some of the works of Karl Marx and I think he has great ideas on paper, but they are not so good once you factor in human nature.



posted on Jun, 29 2009 @ 07:53 PM
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Well look at Bill Gates and Warren Buffet. They are two of the richest men in the world and they are giving over 99% of their wealth to help the poor in the world. We can all contribute to the hungry, as it doesnt cost that much. The problem is in the governments of these people and the fact that many of them steal what is given to the people.


Gates and Buffet are heroes. That's the kind of rich people that I like and I'm glad that they are rich.

I wish every rich person was like them, but it seems most are the opposite of them.

Think about it. A child right now is hungry, 10$ could buy him food right now. A rich person has millions in the bank that will not be used soon.

What's wrong with that picture.

The rich person doesn't have to help, but if they don't when they can... then that's when I don't like them.

I also don't like the corrupt governments that steal from the people.



[edit on 29-6-2009 by danielsil18]



posted on Jun, 29 2009 @ 07:55 PM
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I think most rich people do help. Everyone that I know that is rich helps. They dont go around bragging about it, but they help where they feel their help will actually succeed.



posted on Jun, 29 2009 @ 07:59 PM
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Reading the Wage-Labor and Capital essay made me want to be a capitalist -- because I understood it better at that point.

It's both a great critique and explanation of capitalism.


I haven't read anything else by Marx -- so I don't know what he thought about alternatives to capitalism. I think such a book would be less useful, since we're very entrenched in capitalism, and studying alternative models for society is better left to philosophers, at this point.



posted on Jun, 29 2009 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by grapesofraft
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David Rocefeller and Ruppert Murdoch are not stopping you from succeeding. Did you go to start a business or go to college and they came there and said dont let Killah succeed?


well actually, by using their power over government to pass "regulations" they can easily defeat small business, and anyone who went to college is out of luck because their jobs got shipped overseas

so....they may not have "stopped" anyone, but they sure did slow everyone down significantly



posted on Jun, 29 2009 @ 08:04 PM
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I think most rich people do help.


I'll have to check that out, I know some that do.

But I don't know about most.



posted on Jun, 29 2009 @ 08:04 PM
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I do agree that sometimes the government creates regulations that make it overly costly for people to start certain types of businesses. That can be overcome by finding investors and making a case for why your idea can overcome the competition.

Most jobs that are shipped overseas are low end jobs. Though I do realize they are begining to ship other jobs overseas as well. I think it has a lot to do with personal responsibility again. If you work hard you will always find a way to succeed, and people in foreign countries do not have the same sense of entitlement that we do regarding our employers.

Really most of this is just a product of globalization, where our lifestyle may drop while theirs rises until we meet somewhere in the middle. Change can be a bit rough at times.

[edit on 29-6-2009 by grapesofraft]



posted on Jun, 29 2009 @ 08:08 PM
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Well I think it is good to see other peoples ideas on how to structure some things. We can all learn a few new tricks from time to time.



posted on Jun, 29 2009 @ 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by grapesofraft
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Well I think it is good to see other peoples ideas on how to structure some things. We can all learn a few new tricks from time to time.


I think, by in large, the type of capitalism portrayed in the essay, is the kind of capitalism we have today. That's why it's so useful.



Edit: Got it right the third time! Hah!

[edit on 29-6-2009 by Kaytagg]



posted on Jun, 29 2009 @ 08:22 PM
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Studies have shown that successful people are persistent. First, you can’t be afraid to try something. Next, you will likely fail at first, but you will try again and again and again. Intelligence won’t do you a whole lot of good if you are going to be too much of a wuss to try anything for fear of failure or because of laziness – you aren’t living up to your potential. From my own experience, I would also say a successful person knows there is a difference between working hard and working smart. A garbage man works hard, after all. A business owner, who pays his employees a wage and takes a portion of their productivity for himself, is working smart.

Also, too many people equate success with money. While there is something to that in many cases, it is not always so. For instance, a minister or professor might have their PHD’s and be acclaimed in their fields, but don’t have a lot of money. And some people who are rich, are that way not because of success in a particular field, but have acquired money through non-legitimate means (drug dealer) or have inherited it. The problem is that there is often a very blurred line between people who are successful both financially and in their careers, and those who give the impression of being successful both financially and in their careers but are really just crooks (i.e. Madoff). And certain professions, because of their propensity to provide a good living, attract people who equate money with power and who seek out those careers because of what the position can give to them and not what they can give back to the people (lawyers, politicians, plastic surgeons, financial brokers, actors, professional athletes…).



posted on Jun, 29 2009 @ 08:24 PM
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For a very simple reason. If these elegedly rich and intelligent people cause the global economy to collapse effectively crushing the dreams of billions of people worldwide so that they can establish a one world order and government soley in order to further refurbish their own wealth and power... Well then you can understand why its probably a good idea that these people are taken out.

In short, they are dangerous, their wealth gives them far to much of an ability to influence people financially that shouldn't be influence by the financial system. The main example being governments. The reason so many people are against "TPTB" or "The Elite" is because they are not for us as a collective, they would place their own life and fortune as of infinite value compared to any number of people's lives. Just take the example of bayer dumping the aids medication as a clear example......



posted on Jun, 29 2009 @ 08:29 PM
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Sometimes things just fail. It doesnt mean there was a plan to make it fal in order to bring about a one world goverment. Sometimes people screw up and make stupid decisions, and sometimes it happens to a lot of people at once.

I look at a lot of this mess as our own faults. We dont hold the government accountable, a majority of people elected some moron to be President because he promised to solve all of their problems.

Corporations created things called derivatives to hedge risk, so they could make risky choices to please the stockholders never ending cry for more, more, more.

We live in a world where people are punished for telling the truth and rewarded for creating a lie. IMO, this is because people do not want to know the truth and they will give their money to the person with the prettiest lie.

So it is not the fault of capitalism, but a failure of humans who are stupid, greedy, and lazy.

[edit on 29-6-2009 by grapesofraft]



posted on Jun, 29 2009 @ 08:35 PM
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They crashed it because the markets can not regulate themselves.

Reaganomics has given us one disaster after another.

Of the top 100 economies in the world, 51 of them are corporations. That should give you some perspective on how much influence they can have. Giving them carte blanche to do whatever they want (like sell credit default swaps (thanks for crashing the world economy, AIG!)), they will create more of these massive recessions, and ensure one huge blunder after another.

Edit: A Demon of Our Own Design: Markets, Hedge Funds, and the Perils of Financial Innovation (Paperback).

Why do markets keep crashing and why are financial crises greater than ever before? As the risk manager to some of the leading firms on Wall Street–from Morgan Stanley to Salomon and Citigroup–and a member of some of the world’s largest hedge funds, from Moore Capital to Ziff Brothers and FrontPoint Partners, Rick Bookstaber has seen the ghost inside the machine and vividly shows us a world that is even riskier than we think. The very things done to make markets safer, have, in fact, created a world that is far more dangerous. From the 1987 crash to Citigroup closing the Salomon Arb unit, from staggering losses at UBS to the demise of Long-Term Capital Management, Bookstaber gives readers a front row seat to the management decisions made by some of the most powerful financial figures in the world that led to catastrophe, and describes the impact of his own activities on markets and market crashes. Much of the innovation of the last 30 years has wreaked havoc on the markets and cost trillions of dollars. A Demon of Our Own Design tells the story of man’s attempt to manage market risk and what it has wrought. In the process of showing what we have done, Bookstaber shines a light on what the future holds for a world where capital and power have moved from Wall Street institutions to elite and highly leveraged hedge funds.

Very good book on all the massive blunders of the past 30 or so years.

[edit on 29-6-2009 by Kaytagg]



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