I myself think good proof for evolution are the mamals in the oceans ..whales etc..

they were dog looking type creatures at one time and evolved to the sea for whatever reason.

This has been shown through there bone structure and such.

Creatures on this planet seem to adapt to there surroundings through lifes

causes and effects over long periods of time. Makes sense to me.

Originally posted by System

I thought evolution had been proved true. But if scientists find something that doesn't work in evolution they will throw a party because they've made a new discovery, and move forward. They look at all available evidence and come to the most logical conclusion. Currently that conclusion points towards evolution.

Really how so?

You can't apply logic to creationism as there is no evidence for it. Creationists seem to think the theory of evolution is a religion. Where if one thing is wrong then the whole theory must be and therefore you have to throw it out. This may be true with the bible but the theory of evolution is completely different.

Natural Selection was first written about by a creationist and is in harmony with the creation event

If all the evidence available pointed to a creator then scientists would accept that as the most likely explanation for the universe. But they would never stop testing other theories.

Sorry, you're wrong again, evolutionary scientist look for evidence of creation or a creator like a bank robber looks for a cop after a heist. Richard Dawkins was quoted as saying that any evidence looking like or having the "illusion" it was created is then discarded as junk evidence.

Scientists are not your enemy. They are jus searching for the truth.

No Science thinks creatisonists and ID'ers are the enemy and the United States Congress has found them guilty of doing all they could even destroying careers discriminating people for thier religious belief inspite of their formal educations and degree. You think they are looking for the truth and I have shown they are only looking to find evidence to fit their theory and almost ALL of it has been proven to be the acts of fraud, manufactured evedence and fudged data. Scientists have proven they have as much prestige as a cheap prostitute with a crack addiction.

Perhaps next time they shouldnt take this survey in the backwoods of Arkansas ....... and even then, .... those six people only agreed with eachother because they were related.

Originally posted by KarlG
For those who insist Creation exists,

GET OUT INTO THE REAL WORLD.

Read books!

Look at animals!

The big ol' sky!

The oceans and the emotions and the beauty and horror of life!

How can any ONE entity have created that?

It's a result of the PASSING of time - Time is the ONLY creator, because time is powerful enough to make people forget, to make things change, to allow people to die and get born again, or for EVOLUTION to occur.

I don't know why's there's still debate.

Seriously, if only everyone would STOP reading only ONE book: The Bible, and stop fearing hell and sin.

Why do you assume that we don't know as much about evolution as you do? Why do you assume if we read it we would agree with you?

What makes you think anyone entity couldn't have created it but a mindless aimless brainless indifferent pitiless cosmic coincedence could and those same lucky accidents just kept on happening yet you can't answer any part of that without speculating using a lot of hearsay

Originally posted by KarlG

What you're doing is to DISPROVE the theory of Evolution to PROVE Creation.

First he doesn't have to disprove evolution because it has never been proven. Second he doesn't have to be a creationist to question evolution either and third you are being presumptuous
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Because the Evolution Theory CAN be proved by itself WITHOUT discreditation of Creation, though of course the two cannot CO-EXIST

Show me.

Can the same be said for Creation?

No but that isn't our fault, it is yours, see below

If you can prove the existence of Creation WITHOUT your "book of facts": The Bible, WITHOUT saying how "Evolution is flawed, blah blah", then yes, well done and I might be inclined to change my views.

You ask someone to prove creation and then say but keep your stable datum (the bible) out of it?

Whereas I can make a stand for the scientific nature and process of Evolution through time WITHOUT bringing in Creation at all.

You can make a "stab" at proving it but saying time did it is no more proof than saying "god did it"

You go ahead Ill be more than happy to listen to your explanation.

Originally posted by Kaytagg
So, anyone still doubting the validity of this poll? I think it's probably accurate -- judging from the mixed responses on ATS, any how.

The most striking thing, in my mind, is that a large majority of people who disbelieve in evolution are very uneducated. Sounds almost too obvious to even need a poll to tell me that.

I sort of don't mind the anti-intellectual streak in America. It just narrows the competition for the 40% minority which some of us are lucky enough to be in. I feel like religion has given me an advantage over 60% of Americans, so this is certainly not all bad news.

Of course! We don't agree with you so we are stupid lacking education. Does that about sum it up? Would you care to match your education of evoluton against mine? I am always up for a debate like that and so far you have already clued me in on your M.O.

Lets see how smart you really are then shall we?

Consider the following four theoretical questions

1) Could an elephant jump over the moon?

2) Could a man balance seven live snakes perfectly straight up on the end of his nose while riding a unicycle blind folded with his hands behind his back for one full hour?

3) Could a blind man, drunk as a skunk having no fingers build a perfect house of cards, from a shuffled pack, in perfect suits, while on the deck of a ship, in the middle a hurricane, without instructions?

4) Could a single celled life form begin by happenstance from ammonia, methane and water?

Just answer yes or no please

New to me since you can't prove a theory (except in mathematics), you can only falsify it.
How exactly is electricity proven?

This debate will be going on for ever. I truely believe there was no special hand in the creation of humans and that the course of evolution is something that runs just like a timeline. It's not random it's the way it has always been, if a creator comes into the principal at all I'd say that his hand may have been in on the creation of the entire universe but not our planet it self. Pretty much like he/she pushed the rock down the hill and now it's on a path that he/she started but that he/she probably can't change.

This debate has always riled me up! Of course evolution is true, we see it in front of our own eyes..............BUT.............It is not a creation theory!

So Faithful, it is perfectly OK to believe in the "Theory" of Evolution. It in no way undermines your faith.

So Everyone Else, it is perfectly OK for people to not believe that Evolution is the answer in totality! It obviously has a lot of holes, the very name indicates that something had to exist before evolution, otherwise nothing could evolve. Scientific discoveries are happening daily that prove how little we know about the beginnings of life.

I bet I could conduct a poll in which I could get 9/10 people to say they were for or against this theory, depending on how I worded the question.

This non-issue has bogged down the education system and politicians for far too long. All "theories" should be taught in the education system, and they should all be identified by exactly what they are: Theories. All faiths should be allowed in the education system, and they should be identified as exactly what they are: Someones Personal Faith.

All evidence should be readily available for or against any scientific theory in the classroom, and teachers should be educated well enough to give informed answers to kids questions. The teachers should also be competent and confident enough to tell kids when they personally don't have an answer, or that one does not yet exist. Teachers should also be able to tell someone when their opinion or faith is appropriate or inappropriate during a discussion. Then open, honest discussion, and LEARNING can occur in a system that has stifled it for the past several decades!

I beg everyone to open their minds, eyes, and ears! Stop discounting entire theories, faiths, or anything else because of a few discrepancies they may have.

ALL KNOWLEDGE HAS VALUE!