Do 6 Out of 10 Americans Really Not Believe In Evolution?, page 4
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reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 06:08 AM by FlyersFan
reply to post by Kaytagg



Why are you 'chagrin'd' that, according to this poll, 60% don't believe in evolution?
It's an UNPROVEN THEORY.

Natural selection is a fact but evolution is not.
Dig up the so called 'missing link' and you will get more believers.

Good luck with that.

Originally posted by Kaytagg
There is no scientific evidence of a gods having a hand in our creation, or any other animal's creation.

There is no scientific evidence of evolution.
Natural selection - yes. Evolution - no.
Those are two different things.

Originally posted by System
6 out of 10 Americans is quite a worrying statistic for a well accepted theory.

Yes it's only a theory ... but obviously it's not 'well accepted'.

Originally posted by Kaytagg
the anti-evolution position isn't based on facts or evidence, and therefore, can not be refuted with facts and evidence.

the pro-evolution position isn't based on facts or evidence, and therefore, can not be refuted with facts and evidence. Backatchya. Show us the missing link evidence.

Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
Why is it always: Creationism Vs. Evolution?
The two are NOT mutually exclusive.

EXACTLY!

Originally posted by System
it seems like Creationists are afraid of the unknown and make up wild stories to comfort themselves.

It seems like evolutionists are afraid of the unknown and make up wild stories to comfort themselves. They so desperately don't want a god to be involved that they decide it has to be evolution, even though there is no evidence of it. The thought of a powerful God deciding their fate is frightening for them so they are in denial and make up 'evolution' even without the evidence to support that theory.

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.
- Albert Einstein


Evolution.
Creation.
What about manipulation of our species by other worlders?
That's just as possible as evolution or creationism.



[edit on 6/30/2009 by FlyersFan]


reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 06:17 AM by System
Originally posted by FlyersFan
reply to
post by Kaytagg



Originally posted by System
6 out of 10 Americans is quite a worrying statistic for a well accepted theory.

Yes it's only a theory ... but obviously it's not 'well accepted'.


Well I guess that depends where you come from. It seems to be well accepted in this part of the UK. I guess America and other counties can't get over the idea that everything was created by a magical man that lives in the sky.

Does your God need a magic wand to create things?

[edit on 30/6/2009 by System]



reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 06:20 AM by Lannock
reply to post by weedwhacker



That sounds like something out taken out of the Bible. Regurgitate something enough times then you'll find a group of people who'll believe it.

My favourite is : "Leave a chemical soup for long enough and it will become life and eventually evolve into millions of different species." Anything + time = millions of different living organisms.

Just like there are different kinds of creationists (I am anti-Christianity) there are different kinds of evolutionists who have their own versions of evolution. One even said there's no such thing as a "missing link" where any reasonably well educated person knows that the fossil record is literally riddled with "missing links" aka "transitional forms".

[edit on 30-6-2009 by Lannock]


reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 07:09 AM by KarlG
reply to post by FlyersFan



What you're doing is to DISPROVE the theory of Evolution to PROVE Creation.

What you need to do is PROVE Creation WITHOUT disproving Evolution Theory.

Because the Evolution Theory CAN be proved by itself WITHOUT discreditation of Creation, though of course the two cannot CO-EXIST (there is a difference).

Can the same be said for Creation?

If you can prove the existence of Creation WITHOUT your "book of facts": The Bible, WITHOUT saying how "Evolution is flawed, blah blah", then yes, well done and I might be inclined to change my views.

Whereas I can make a stand for the scientific nature and process of Evolution through time WITHOUT bringing in Creation at all.


reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 07:11 AM by weedwhacker
reply to post by Lannock



:

I don't think what I provided in my post "sounds like" anything from the bible at all. In fact, it'll probably make most the 'buybull' thumpers turn away in disgust, since the majority are mostly so close-minded, nothing will get through.

ED: Because I originally used the word 'anything' three times...

[edit on 6/30/0909 by weedwhacker]



reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 07:15 AM by KarlG
Originally posted by Lannock
reply to
post by weedwhacker



That sounds like something out taken out of the Bible. Regurgitate something enough times then you'll find a group of people who'll believe it.

My favourite is : "Leave a chemical soup for long enough and it will become life and eventually evolve into millions of different species." Anything + time = millions of different living organisms.

Just like there are different kinds of creationists (I am anti-Christianity) there are different kinds of evolutionists who have their own versions of evolution. One even said there's no such thing as a "missing link" where any reasonably well educated person knows that the fossil record is literally riddled with "missing links" aka "transitional forms".

[edit on 30-6-2009 by Lannock]


I absolutely agree.

Time is the ONE and SOLE power, and is not an entity, and is not sentient.

Time is just, well, the passing of time.

As I have mentioned in an earlier reply, time allows people to forget. It allows people to age. It allows people to CHANGE FORMS (wrinkles, bone problems, saggier body parts) and to CHANGE in general. It results in death. It results in life.

It results in weathering. It results in changing climates and different Presidents taking over and the economy collapsing and booming again and collapsing once more. Sure, time doesn't DIRECTLY cause all these things, but without the passing of time, NOTHING would happen. No one would age.

And if there IS a God, can he control Time? If you say yes, WOW.

There is no DIRECT reason for why things happen the way they do - the notion of a God indicates a DIRECT reason for why things happen. God Created you and I. God Created this and that. God is the DIRECT reason for why things happen. But, as in nature, as in life, NOTHING is direct.

Even time, the only factor that ensures days pass and people move on with life, is an uncertain force and does not directly cause problems. The notion of a God contradicts this so intensely it does not make any sense.


reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 07:48 AM by unclekrabz
reply to post by FlyersFan



Evolution is actually not the theory, Natural Selection is, Evolution is a fact, examples
en.wikipedia.org...
no missing link, think again en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
and many other examples like HIV and the Banana (yep, the banana is the result of controlled evolution by human cultivation, it wasnt here before the humans wre, but the native one was, which looks WAY diff fom the new one)


reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 08:25 AM by weedwhacker
reply to post by daygloeyes



Whales evolved from a common ancestor that then disappeared, yes?


No. There are currently living land-based relatives of the whale. Look it up.

And that land-walking cow-like ancestor disappeared as generations "evolved."


No, again. You're confusing things. Actually, you had it correct in your sentence about whales. "Common ancestor".

Which leads me to this:

So, if humans evolved from apes, why do we still have apes?


Humans did NOT! I repeat did NOT!!! Evolve 'from' apes. We share a common ancestor.

Shouldn't the apes have evolved into the more successful "human" variant and the less successful ancestors would have died out?


Some early simian precursors DID evolve into a successful Human variant!

Others branched into monkeys and apes and lemurs, etc, we see today.


reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 08:33 AM by weedwhacker
reply to post by Lannock



Lannock, your beliefs are yours, but facts belong to everyone.

Seriously, if only everyone would THINK and realise how beautiful and COMPLEX our universe is (we probably know less than 0.000001 % of what is {possible} in our universe) they would have no doubt of CREATION.


You, yourself just showed the complete illogic in asserting 'creation'.

You mention the COMPLEXITY of the Universe....(which by inference also includes diversity??)....yet we Humans cannot survive, unprotected in all but the tiniest fraction of a sliver of it.

I think your 'creator' is bollocks! Or, he's just not all that clever.
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