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Britain has 85 sharia courts: The astonishing spread of the Islamic justice behind closed doors

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posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 07:12 AM
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Originally posted by Laurauk
You are not helping the situation. I can see this thread being closed. If he insults and derogatory remarks dont stop.

Just making a suggestions. Get back on topic tyvm.


I will leave this poster alone, but when I see people resort to ridiculous "fascist/racist" debate surpressing tactics against innocent posters, it annoys me

[edit on 7-7-2009 by blueorder]




posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 07:15 AM
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more personal attacks , what is it you people , can't handle the facts ,seems your interest in attacking people who state facts seems to suggest that you have islam hating racist inclinations



ANC(Gauteng African National Congress) have stated Xenophobia the same as racism

www.thetimes.co.za...

[edit on 7-7-2009 by Kombatt98]



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 07:16 AM
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Originally posted by Kombatt98more personal attacks , what is it you people , can't handle the facts

ANC(Gauteng African National Congress) have stated Xenophobia the same as racism

www.thetimes.co.za...



You give out personal attacks you get em- and for the record I do not live my life according to the dictates of some African Communist party member- how about you quote that.

Muslims can be white you know, did YOU know that?!



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 07:19 AM
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this is biggest load of BS i ever read , ANc is communist


ANC was pro african and anti-apartheid , its people know what apartheid is .

thank you for proving that you support racism and apartheid .



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 07:21 AM
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Originally posted by Kombatt98
reply to post by blueorder
 


this is biggest load of BS i ever read , ANc is communist


ANC was pro african and anti-apartheid , its people know what apartheid is .

thank you for proving that you support racism and apartheid .



You are a know nothing freak, you don't even know of the communist connection/aspect of the ANC


Your last comment is bizzarre, I may just say

"thank you for proving you hate Jews"


what a cretin



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 07:26 AM
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Originally posted by blueorder

Originally posted by Kombatt98
reply to post by blueorder
 


this is biggest load of BS i ever read , ANc is communist


ANC was pro african and anti-apartheid , its people know what apartheid is .

thank you for proving that you support racism and apartheid .



You are a know nothing freak, you don't even know of the communist connection/aspect of the ANC




what a cretin





You are a know nothing freak, you don't even know of the communist connection/aspect of the ANC


ohh , the typical right wing american , hey McCarthy , there is a commie inside your bed whos going to drink your blood and eat your baby

ANC is communist , what a pathetic excuse


so you dream about commie inside your bed drinking your blood , oops , maybebed bugs are commie too




what a cretin


more personal insults , which are a violations of manners and decorum an T & C



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 07:28 AM
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Originally posted by Kombatt98ohh , the typical right wing american , hey McCarthy , there is a commie inside your bed whos going to drink your blood and eat your baby

ANC is communist , what a pathetic excuse


so you dream about commie inside your bed drinking your blood , oops , maybebed bugs are commie too



very odd, I am not American- quelle surprise that you make assumptions and prejudge people.

Nor do I dream about communists drinking blood- that does not mean I have not got the intelligence to read and can appreciate the communist connection of the ANC, I suggest you expand your reading and stop making ill thought out judgements on people

Jew Hater



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 07:35 AM
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Laura, I agree to an extent, my debate with symmetric does seem to be going round in circles, but at least it was civil.
And I appreciate your opinions and your effort to 'mediate'.
Again, I disagree with the majority that masonwtcher was posting, but it was civil and respectful debate and I have no problem whatsoever with either member, if anything I respect them for standing up for their beliefs, even though I disagree with them.

However, I will not stand idly by and allow someone blatantly insult me for no reason and with no supportive arguement other than I have a different viewpoint.
If instructed by admin then I would remove my post, simply out of respect for this site as a whole, but until then they remain.
I have stood up for myself and my beliefs in much more threatening and dangerous situations.
I am not ashamed of my beliefs; freedom of choice, freedom of will and freedom of thought and will fight for them till my last breath.
I firmly beleive Islam is the antithesis of these ideals and in a world where these ideals are under threat from all sides I still believe Islam is the single biggest threat.

I always find it laughable that someone can quote ANC rhetoric in support of such a repressive belief system; religous dogma and political rhetoric all rolled into one.
Wow, all free thinking individuals must be shaking their heads in complete disbeleif.



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 07:38 AM
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Oh do not worry Freeborn, I agree, I think insulting someone over thier opinons or views is childish to say the least.

A mod is going to come in here shortly if the unsults do not stop and close this thread. I do not want that to happen, but some seem hell benton having it closed. So be it.



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 07:39 AM
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That Times article you refered to, the most recent of your evidence? I've already debunked it earlier in this thread. It's narrow focus is highly misleading & purposefully inflammatory.



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 07:47 AM
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That may indeed be for the best.
This was exactly the reason I more or less stopped posting for a while.

In threads like this the people who take part, myself included, tend to have pretty entrenched views so no matter what 'the other side' posts none of us change our opinion and we end up going round in circles, but still, I enjoy the debate and banter and occassional raised hackles.
But outright insults I will not tolerate from anyone.
I try my best to be respectful in debate, I expect the same from others.
Obviously sometimes tempers get frayed and I accept and enjoy that, but this member went way over top immediately upon entering the thread.
Bang out of order in my book.
(I started writnig another insult...but felt it wise to delete it,
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posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 07:49 AM
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and spoil our women!
I can barely believe I've just read that!
I've not caught up with reading the thread yet, but I sincerely hope Laura had a few words for you & hopefully not polite ones lol! "Our women" ROFL!
"Spoiling"? Like, what? Are you afraid muslim men have got something you haven't, like once a woman has a mussulman muscle man, she won't look twice @your inadequate noodle?



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 08:00 AM
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well as i said we have had a good debate and it helps others to understand points of view but to start name calling.. is ..

and im gland you took out the insult and seen that just because someone insults you no matter how "under the radar it is" its still an insult and is against ATS house rules

just because this is heated debate with lots of views does not mean we have to resort to basic name calling..

I find it crass and not worth my time responding to any posts that insult me or i would be just as bad as them.




posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 08:08 AM
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Originally posted by Solomons
Lets make one thing clear,it is for domestic issues...british law still reigns supreme.It is simply giving muslims some leeway in the courts like jewish law already has in Britain.And the daily mail...who wudda thunk it


[edit on 29-6-2009 by Solomons]



THAT is true


posted twice -edited-

[edit on 7-7-2009 by symmetricAvenger]



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 08:21 AM
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I really think you need to get your head out of your never regions and take a look outside..... I don't know which part of the UK you live but maybe you don't live where there are tons of Muslims to be able to see what others see.... you are blind to all that is happening here... have you not seen the communties in certain areas where every single person living there is Muslim? Why do you think that is? I shall tell you, it's because these Muslims moved in and wanted to build their mosques, build their schools and build their takeaways with halal meats and they succeeded which forced all the non-muslims out of that area because as you may well know different beliefs & faiths have never got on side by side since the beginning of time.... these people are different and only want to abide by their rules!! What they fail to realise is that they have moved here to England and here we have our own rules...

Why are they incorporating everything about their life into English Society?

We never had any problems with Chinese, Indians, Jews so why is it that the Muslims or Fanatics shall we say choose to disrespect where they live and where they have been allowed to live? Bakri was one such person recieving free housing and free speech and look what he was about?

If you want to live in a peaceful nation you better be prepared to live the way of that nation!!!

If you want to start an uprising in that nation then you had better be prepared to fight!

[edit on 7-7-2009 by TruthxIsxInxThexMist]



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 08:29 AM
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Originally posted by Bunken Drum
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and spoil our women!
I can barely believe I've just read that!
I've not caught up with reading the thread yet, but I sincerely hope Laura had a few words for you & hopefully not polite ones lol! "Our women" ROFL!
"Spoiling"? Like, what? Are you afraid muslim men have got something you haven't, like once a woman has a mussulman muscle man, she won't look twice @your inadequate noodle?



I actually ment women in general, living in my country or Europe, muslim or not..
It was a thought from a universal perspective, i care about other cultures too..
It hurts me when when those young kids call our women whores, it also hurts me when those women are not allowed to leave their houses.If only covered in burqa's.

respect.



[edit on 7-7-2009 by Foppezao]



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 08:46 AM
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We are talking about Muslims who follow The Koran and as part of their faith they have to try to impose Sharia upon us all, by any means necessary
You've said that a few times: can you post any evidence to support your claims?
As far as I understand it, muslims are enjoined to follow the laws of the country they live in. There is a qur'anic concept called "gradualism" which calls for muslims to try to persuade non-believers that shari'ah is the right way, bit by bit, but this must be accomplished within the law of the land. Since arbitration is so, they are following their teachings & doing their religious duty. Just like any other religious/political movement. There's also a concept called "fitnah" which is religious persecution/ethnic oppression & is strictly forbidden: the qur'an calls it "worse than slaughter" & thus promises severe divine retribution for doing it, even against enemies.
I've asked for a clear statement on this matter from some online islamic scholars & if I get a reply, I'll post it here. These people do seem to take it all pretty seriously tho, getting opinions from world renowned muslims, so I'm not expecting it to be quick.



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 09:09 AM
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the covering up of women is a cultural thing, not an Islamic thing, so to oppose it is not anti islamic- if the veil is so empowering for muslim women * to quote the defence some muslims offer* why don't the men do it


[edit on 7-7-2009 by blueorder]



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 10:03 AM
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It is about high time, women are treated equally the same as males. Call me a feminist all you want. Women have been demonised, underpaid, discriminated against for far too long.

It is about hightime us females took back the power and forced our rights on those who think they are better than us.

Can you imagine the out cry if we went out on the streets demanding the end to discrimination,weither it be in religion, weither it be about race, weither it be about employment discrimination.



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by LauraukIt is about high time, women are treated equally the same as males. Call me a feminist all you want. Women have been demonised, underpaid, discriminated against for far too long.

It is about hightime us females took back the power and forced our rights on those who think they are better than us.

Can you imagine the out cry if we went out on the streets demanding the end to discrimination,weither it be in religion, weither it be about race, weither it be about employment discrimination.



I agree in principle, and for those to pretend the veil is anything other than a public display of repressing women by certain cultures is silly- but easy on, I support equality of opportunity for all, but these "group" movements can go too far



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