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reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 07:59 AM by randyvs
reply to post by atlasastro



I wonder how many others there are that feel this way after looking at the OP?
you seen my post right. surly you don't think i was kidding.
i see it like this nobody would really miss that whole village. if they refuse
to wake up to the 21st century.people would miss the dolphins i would rather see that village exterminated
then to see this continue. and i am willimg to give this life over to that
statement and in defense of tthose dolphins. you know why?because they would do it for me or you or even one of those japs. we have a lot to learn.so lessons must be taught. i do not fear death and i believe when a man gets old enough he should welcome an honorable way to die.
i truly believe a man should die w/ honor.defending the planet ? honorable

i realize how crazy it sounds but people seem to only understand one thing
i just think they should understand by any means.
so green peace i'm able bodied smart and strong just need to hear from you? somebody hook me up. you will see. i'm not kidding.

[edit on 30-6-2009 by randyvs]


reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 10:24 AM by Wallachian
Why are so many people saying that dolphins don't deserve this because they are intelligent animals? You really think that IQ should decide who lives and who dies?

Do sharks deserve to
have their fins cut off for soup and then die a horrible, slow death? Just because they're less intelligent? (less intelligent according to human standards, their history of over 400 million years would disapprove)


The truth is that all creatures, regardless of their intelligence, deserve to live free and to die with dignity. Dolphins included.

(I'm in no way trying to put down this thread, S&F, it's very important that more people hear about this!)



reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 01:24 PM by The Broadcaste
Wallachian:

Ya, one of the reasons I'm delaying watching this movie (I have it waiting) is in view of how horrifying the sight of those sharks being thrown back into the water after having their fins lopped off. There's the brutal reality of eating other creatures to survive, and then there's just plain cruel for profit.

It's one thing to argue that there is nothing immoral about eating everything that moves, what I find strange is how people seem to angrily defend the practice and mock other people for caring. Really? What is it exactly that makes you angry or indignant about people wanting to change practices that in reality we probably don't need to do anymore?

Yes, people are uneven in their views about nature, and sometimes react emotionally, but does calling them hypocrits really make you a better person? How is this a victory for you? Do you really fear that they will take away all the meat from you?

I eat meat even though I find the modern meat industry horrible, so I try to eat locally as we are lucky to have local producers, but not everyone can do this. I don't judge them for that.

I've lived in Japan, and I know that people there will relaxedly assure you that whales are delicious and there are tons of them in the oceans. I tried to give a differing view, but I certainly didn't berate them. They believe what they have been told, as we do. While I wouldn't eat whale, I did eat blowfish.

You see, there's a chance eating them will kill you, I call that a fair fight.


reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 02:01 PM by fanthorpe
reply to post by twilightzone



It is obviously hoprrendous, but I am not personally responsible for this so I'd rather you didn't wish death upon me.

If you are that concerned why are you still here?


reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 03:36 PM by AKARonco
reply to post by twilightzone



yeah I agree, you are a little overboard on that one. you do what you have to, but I choose to LIVE and fight the "good fight"


reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 10:54 PM by JaxonRoberts
reply to post by jeddun



So what you are saying is that as a species we are not capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time??? Both are worthy of our attention, and I think we should be capable of multi tasking when it comes to confronting the woes in this world.

Edit to add- Threads about child abuse.

Threads about murdered children.

ATS search- It isn't just for breakfast anymore!

[edit on 30-6-2009 by JaxonRoberts]


reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 06:41 AM by Avarus
Originally posted by jeddun
reply to
post by Avarus



God no...this is not my opinion, nor do i beleive my race is better than others...look at the facts mang....i didnt make the rules up dood i just live here =)


I AM looking at the facts 'mang'. You can't just make sweeping statements like that about a country of people. First you call them 'japs', then you say that all Japanese people are perverse and celebrated pedophiles... and you don't think that's stereotyping at all? I know plenty of Japanese people who very conservative and traditional.

Secondly, I've read a few comments about Hiroshima and Nagasaki. In no way is nuking Japan a good thing. First of all, you're killing thousands if not millions of innocent people (not to mention animals). Secondly, you'd pollute the surrounding areas and waters with fallout. So, no... it's not a good thing to wish we nuked them even more.



reply posted on 1-7-2009 @ 04:36 PM by AKARonco
reply to post by jeddun



hmm jeddum im responding to a specific topic...if you want to start a different one, ill come post there if it is well done, and deserves attention. and who are you to say that abused children dont cause greef??? very presumptuous. but we arent talking about that...you are...


reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 01:12 AM by DevolutionEvolvd
Originally posted by Avarus
reply to
post by schrodingers dog



Here's some interesting statistics and facts about livestock for to digest (pun intended):
Number of people worldwide who will die as a result of malnutrition this year: 20 million
Number of people who could be adequately fed using land freed if Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10%: 100 million
Percentage of corn grown in the US eaten by people: 20
Percentage of corn grown in the US eaten by livestock: 80
Percentage of oats grown in the US eaten by livestock: 95
Percentage of protein wasted by cycling grain through livestock: 90
How frequently a child dies as a result of malnutrition: every 2 point 3 seconds
Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an acre: 40,000
Pounds of beef produced on an acre: 250
Percentage of US farmland devoted to beef production: 56
Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of edible flesh from feedlot beef: 16
User of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the US: livestock production
Amount of water used in production of the average cow: sufficient to float a destroyer
Gallons of water needed to produce a pound of wheat: 25
Gallons of water needed to produce a pound of California beef: 5,000
Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a meat-centered diet: 13
Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260
Calories of fossil fuel expended to get 1 calorie of protein from beef: 78
To get 1 calorie of protein from soybeans: 2
Percentage of all raw materials (base products of farming, forestry and mining, including fossil fuels) consumed by US that is devoted to the production of livestock: 33
Percentage of all raw materials consumed by the US needed to produce a complete vegetarian diet: 2
Number of US medical schools: 125
Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30
Nutrition training received by average US physician during four years in medical school: 2 point 5 hours
Most common cause of death in the US : heart attack
How frequently a heart attack kills in the US: every 45 seconds
Average US man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 percent
Risk of average US man who eats no meat: 15 percent
Risk of average US man who eats no meat, dairy or eggs: 4 percent
Amount you reduce risk of heart attack if you reduce consumption of meat, dairy and eggs by 10 percent: 9 percent
Amount you reduce risk of heart attack if you reduce consumption by 50 percent: 45 percent
Amount you reduce risk if you eliminate meat, dairy and eggs from your diet: 90 percent
Average cholesterol level of people eating meat-centered-diet: 210 mg/dl
Chance of dying from heart disease if you are male and your blood cholesterol level is 210 mg/dl: greater than 50 percent


Did you have a source or did you just pull this out of thin air? The dietary end of these statistics are hogwash. By the way, isn't this thread about dolphins?

.
Meat contains no essential nutrients that cannot be obtained in higher quality directly from plant sources.


Once again, source? Is there really a point to this? Choosing to be a vegetarian because you love animals is great but is the false information really called for?

-Dev


reply posted on 3-7-2009 @ 02:57 PM by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by Wallachian



wanted to repeat this:


You really think that IQ should decide who lives and who dies?

Do sharks deserve to have their fins cut off for soup and then die a horrible, slow death? Just because they're less intelligent?


I agree - It's not about prioritizing - it's about coming to some kind of understanding about what torture and abuse really are

it's about our ability - or inability - to empathize

and what does it say about us either way?

I'm one of those people that believes that it's all about the process - these sorts of things were never discussed or debated at all once upon a time. I think it shows that even when we don't agree - we're at least moving in the right direction

we'll be kinder to each other right about the same time we all feel like being kinder in general - I reckon (I've been wanting to say I reckon all week)

it's a great thread SD - but I couldn't watch the videos - I just couldn't

:-)
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