The Cove, page 2

reply to post by schrodingers dog

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We seem to be getting quite a bit off topic, and I am partly to blame for that. suppose someone came to your home town and told you that something you did was so horrific that it should be banned by international law and sanctions placed against you city for that practice? Maybe something that a large percent of people are doing, like eating hamburgers.

reply to post by elarmstrongo

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I'm not sure what you're getting at?

Perhaps a more macro view would be helpful:

en.wikipedia.org...
www.iep.utm.edu...

I wonder, are you protesting all but free for all anarchy?

reply to post by schrodingers dog

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O.K. where do cheeseburgers and chicken nuggets fall under social contract? We (as in western society) do not need to eat beef to feed our people. We could all survive off of the crops grown and would not see the problems of obesity that we have now. It is our choice, and no amount of protest will change it. Does that make it less wrong? I think it is funny how we can make ourselves believe anything is acceptable, as long as it is in our best interest.

Originally posted by elarmstrongo
reply to post by schrodingers dog

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O.K. where do cheeseburgers and chicken nuggets fall under social contract?

I was simply answering your question:

suppose someone came to your home town and told you that something you did was so horrific that it should be banned by international law and sanctions placed against you city for that practice?

And not for nothing but social contracts were actually specifically created originally as resource distribution mechanisms, primarily food.


As far as what's right or wrong, no one can tell you that.
We all have our own mirrors and selves as barometers.
If you do not find this practice sickening then fair enough.

I find it soulcrushingly painful, so for ME it is wrong.

That's all.

[edit on 29 Jun 2009 by schrodingers dog]

reply to post by SaraThustra

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PETA?

Didn't they just condemn Obama for killing a fly?


Oh, and as far as the poor tuna, he too is not immune from us. www.panda.org...

Sometimes I think our species won't be happy until we kill everything and everyone.

Although we sure do manage to make a lot of babies ...

Soylent Green is a 1973 dystopian science fiction movie depicting a future in which overpopulation leads to depleted resources, which in turn leads to widespread unemployment and poverty. Real fruit, vegetables, and meat are rare, commodities are expensive, and much of the population survives on processed food rations, including "soylent green" wafers. *

Dolphin free soylent green?

reply to post by SaraThustra

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Exactly. Chickens, cows, etc., can be killed in just as horrific manners as dolphins (albeit away from the public eye). People place far too much emphasis on the cute creatures. What about octopi? They're also highly intelligent, yet you don't see many people coming to their defense when they are slaughtered and eaten.

[edit on 6/29/2009 by SonicInfinity]

reply to post by schrodingers dog

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What do you eat? and how do you rationalize it?

reply to post by elarmstrongo

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You really are trying hard to derail this thread aren't you?



[edit on 29-6-2009 by Mer Ka Bah]

Originally posted by elarmstrongo
reply to post by schrodingers dog

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What do you eat?

I find falsely premised questions very yummy.

and how do you rationalize it?

No need to, it just feels right.

reply to post by Mer Ka Bah

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Derail/ the OP said some can rationalize anything. I am asking a follow up, if anything it is the OP who is off topic.

reply to post by SaraThustra

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DolphinFISH and tuna are far more abundant, at least here, in the land of not-too-many-people-to-wipe-them-out. We had a wild dolphin here a few years ago. I tagged along with several dive boat trips trying to get to interact with him. He was called "Spot" by the locals, due to a large scar on his flank.

One day, looking out to sea right in front of the house, I saw him rolling about 100 yards offshore. I then did a stupid, but life-changing thing: I grabbed my fins, mask and snorkle and headed out to meet Spot. It was stupid for a variety of reasons, the least of which that Spot apparently had a penchant for humping divers on occasion. He was wild. So, off I go, and getting tired by the time I'd travelled about 250 yards. It was wonderous. We turned and played in the water. I didn't touch him but once, but he came up and held his body vertical in the water, parallel to my own, and we were eye to eye.

I felt as a kid that I had a sorta totemic kinship with sea mammals. That event cemented it. Spot was obviously very intelligent. Of course, he wasn't frightened of me. He knew I wasn't diddly in his aquatic domain. I'll never forget it, if I remember nothing else.

Eat them??? OOPS, we caught one in our fishing net, cut 'im out, before he screws up the net!!! We should be better than that.

That part of humanity makes me sick. It's repulsive, and alien. I've been a hunter and angler all of my childhood, and part of my adult life. There were things, I sensed, that were off-limits. You don't go and take down a cinammon bear just because it's there. You cull from a herd, you knock down a few birds from the whole, and you use all of the animal. You eat animals which are abundant, as was intended by nature. Dolphins, whales, porpoise, sea cows, they should get a pass. The ONLY humans that should take them are perhaps the Inuit, who, even recently depend to a large extent upon them. They treasure them. Nothing is wasted.

reply to post by elarmstrongo

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It's a matter of animals being raised for eating, or culling large communities of creatures, also for food. Where do dolphins and whales fit into that? They are sentient mammals, and not really abundant, are they?

reply to post by schrodingers dog

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I know better than to watch the second vid, SDog. Thanks for the warning. I'm capable of watching it, but I don't need the visual to understand.

reply to post by argentus

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Yeah, I understand that.

I have huge admiration for the folks who put this documentary together and for all who fight in defense of the defenseless.

The scum that do this are fully aware of how wrong it is, hence why the try to effect a media blackout around the cove.

And Oz, ty mate.

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