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reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 12:53 AM by netwarrior
The issue is not about what he's fixing, or the fact that he's had six months to fix things. What alarms the heck out of me is the blinding speed at which he is -censored-ing things up in implementing his "repairs."

Let's tick off a few points, shall we?

Forcing states to accept bailout money using threats? Check. Demanding that private banking institutions accept bailout money despite those PRIVATE institutions' unwillingness? Check and Check.

Stating that he won't raise taxes on the middle and lower classes...First thing right out the gate he raises the taxes on tobacco, which is typically used more BY THE LOWER AND MIDDLE CLASSES!

Transparency? Congress is more opaque than it's ever been. Seriously, ramrodding a 1200+ page bill plus a 300 page amendment through while giving lawmakers less than 24 hours to read it? Sure, it was probably Pelosi and that witch's ilk that spurred it onward with that speed..but I can guarantee you that harpy doesn't take a dump anymore without asking Obama if she's wiping in the correct direction.

Government-sponsored hostile takeover of a private corporation? Yes, it used to be General Motors. Now it's Government Motors. Let's not forget Che Obama forcing Chrysler to close dealerships that contributed to the GOP's election campaign. Can't expect any better from a Chicago politician, though.

Then, most recently, You've got the "grants" of the Cap & Trade bill. He tried to bribe the junior Rep from New Orleans in order to gain his support. Luckily Cao told Che to stuff it and voted no. I tell you, as a native New Orleanian it's a breath of fresh air to have an honest politician...too bad he won't last long.

I admit, Bush & Co. looted the treasury on the way out...but this guy is stealing (truthfully, giving to his supporters) everything that isn't nailed down and he's reaching for the pry bar to get the rest of it!


reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 01:28 AM by astrij
I don't hate him.
But I completely disagree with the disrespect he has shown the American people.
Do you not feel disrespected when he rushes bills through without letting anyone read them? Does it bother you that he is rushing this latest "global warming" bill through in the same manner? or that he is trying to manipulate us by using junk science in order to "scare" us into supporting the bill?

do you ever wonder if he actually has our best interest in mind?

Did you feel the same disrespect when the previous administration began the usurpation of your freedoms?

Did you feel the same disrespect when the previous administration began dismantling your constitution? Wasn't it George W. Bush that claimed your constitution was nothing more than a piece of paper?

Did you feel disrespected when the previous administration sent five thousand American citizens to their deaths in Iraq based on lies?

Did you feel disrespect when the previous administration handed a trillion dollars in American tax payer money to international bankers and financial institutions?

For all the nonsense spouted about the Republican party being the true patriots of America, they certainly don't seem to show much concern for the thousands of Vietnam vets who are wasting away on the streets all throughout the U.S.A. These men served their country and were afforded zero respect in return. How incredibly sad.

Do I think Obama is any different from the rest? Sadly, no, I do not. He has also continued the trend of pissing away the tax dollars of hard working Americans to international bankers and financial institutions.

However, I see a light at the end of the tunnel for the American citizenry. The actions of both the Republicans, and the Democrats over the last several years should prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that neither party has the best interests of the American population in mind, and should serve to unite Americans under a common goal. The goal being to restore America to its former glory. A country in which the state serves its citizens and not the other way around, and a nation which cherishes freedom, liberty and the principles that the constitution was founded upon.

Unfortunately, if this forum is indicative of reality, the divisiveness, and partisan allegiances remains strong in the United States of America. Despite the fact that both political parties have proven that they couldn't care less about the people they have been elected to serve.

Astrij


reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 09:35 AM by Bearack
Originally posted by xmotex
OK, so where is the fascism?

The bailout? Please...
That was in the works before the man ever took office.

Fascism is defined in large part by militarism, which if anything is far less true of the current admin. than the last one.

It's all very exciting to pretend this stuff is true, but so far, no Obama Brownshirts have shown up at my door (or anyone's), nobody is being locked up for dissent (if you'll notice, Rush Limbaugh still has his show, etc.), my gun collection is as safe as it ever was... I could go on

So far all I see is a bunch o clowns freaking out because they lost an election, and pretending it's the end of the world.

Give me a break


Oh please, I'm sure your smarter than this. It's the government taking control of not one, but several of the US's largest corporations.

Fascism, pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/, comprises a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology[1][2][3][4] and a corporatist economic ideology.[5] Fascists believe that nations and/or races are in perpetual conflict whereby only the strong can survive by being healthy, vital, and by asserting themselves in conflict against the weak.[6] Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.[7] Fascist governments forbid and suppress criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement.[8] Fascism opposes class conflict, blames capitalist liberal democracies for its creation and communists for exploiting the concept.[9] Fascism is much defined by what it opposes, what scholars call the fascist negations - its opposition to individualism,[10] rationalism, liberalism, conservatism and communism. [11] In the economic sphere, many fascist leaders have claimed to support a "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of unrestrained capitalism and the severe control of state communism.[12][13] This was to be achieved by a form of government control over business and labour (called "the corporate state" by Mussolini).[14][15] No common and concise definition exists for fascism and historians and political scientists disagree on what should be in any concise definition.[16]

Following the defeat of the Axis powers in World War II and the publicity surrounding the atrocities committed during the period of fascist governments, the term fascist has been used as a pejorative word.[17]


reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 11:11 AM by Jadette
I will address a few issues here:

First, unemployment isn't his fault. The events that led to the financial crisis and the current economic situation began long ago, for many, complex, reasons.

Secondly: these bailouts, if you study history, are no different than the ones the US government has done in the past. To label it as 'omgzor, socialism!" has no basis in reality and shows a misunderstanding of what Socialism really is, and, even the norm in which the government has operated historically.

www.propublica.org...

Secondly, while I won't deny that it seems like we rewarded the bad guys for screwing up, and that they all seem slimy snake oil dealers, I would argue that there was no choice for what was done, and in fact, it's a symbol for just how dire the situation is and was.

The financial crisis nearly took us all down with it. Even now, fear runs rampant among those in the know, in the financial districts. At one point we were 6 hours from a total meltdown of the monetary system.

Have we done enough to rein in these men? Far from it. I liken it to another 911, where, in the theater of fear, we allowed alot of power grabs to go on.

I'm not sure I blame Obama for that. I'm not sure there would have been better RIGHT NOW DO IT RIGHT NOW options.

Could you imagine the things that you would be saying if he had done nothing? Even if we didn't suffer a total collapse of the system, the impact of these monoliths would have had HUGE ramifications for each and every one of us.

Are we safe now? I don't think so. The system has been patched together, a sunny face on the surface hiding the fact that there's no stable structure below.

As for if I am disappointed in what he has done or not, we need to think about the job of president realistically.

One of Clinton's problems in office, early on, was that he wasn't a 'beltway boy' and didn't have the structure beneath him to accomplish the things he wanted.

A president is only as powerful as the number and power held, of his support system. A reason that Bush left such a strong stamp on the government, he had large numbers of his father's men around him, powerful men who had been working in government for generations.

When Obama promised change, I worried that once in office, he wouldn't have the power around him to accomplish it. So no, I'm not disappointed that in 6 months he hasn't changed the world, I didn't expect it.


reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 11:45 AM by Jadette
reply to post by Axial Leader


Actually, you took the words right out of my mouth. My original post began with,

"Obama supporters haven't replied because this doesn't seem like the thread's purpose is for discussion, but rather, that people just want a thread to commiserate among each other of like minds."




reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 11:52 AM by JulieMills
Originally posted by Jadette
reply to post by Axial Leader


Actually, you took the words right out of my mouth. My original post began with,

"Obama supporters haven't replied because this doesn't seem like the thread's purpose is for discussion, but rather, that people just want a thread to commiserate among each other of like minds."


c'mon, seriously?
that is why you guys aren't commenting or is it because you have no way of defending Obama's miserable ideas and actions?
Do you seriously agree in the way he is taking the nation?

It is ok if you don't but if you do please explain why you think his way is the right way. that is all I am asking.

[edit on 30-6-2009 by JulieMills]


reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 12:14 PM by mental modulator
Originally posted by Bearack
Originally posted by xmotex
OK, so where is the fascism?

The bailout? Please...
That was in the works before the man ever took office.

Fascism is defined in large part by militarism, which if anything is far less true of the current admin. than the last one.

It's all very exciting to pretend this stuff is true, but so far, no Obama Brownshirts have shown up at my door (or anyone's), nobody is being locked up for dissent (if you'll notice, Rush Limbaugh still has his show, etc.), my gun collection is as safe as it ever was... I could go on

So far all I see is a bunch o clowns freaking out because they lost an election, and pretending it's the end of the world.

Give me a break


Oh please, I'm sure your smarter than this. It's the government taking control of not one, but several of the US's largest corporations.

Fascism, pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/, comprises a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology[1][2][3][4] and a corporatist economic ideology.[5] Fascists believe that nations and/or races are in perpetual conflict whereby only the strong can survive by being healthy, vital, and by asserting themselves in conflict against the weak.[6] Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.[7] Fascist governments forbid and suppress criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement.[8] Fascism opposes class conflict, blames capitalist liberal democracies for its creation and communists for exploiting the concept.[9] Fascism is much defined by what it opposes, what scholars call the fascist negations - its opposition to individualism,[10] rationalism, liberalism, conservatism and communism. [11] In the economic sphere, many fascist leaders have claimed to support a "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of unrestrained capitalism and the severe control of state communism.[12][13] This was to be achieved by a form of government control over business and labour (called "the corporate state" by Mussolini).[14][15] No common and concise definition exists for fascism and historians and political scientists disagree on what should be in any concise definition.[16]

Following the defeat of the Axis powers in World War II and the publicity surrounding the atrocities committed during the period of fascist governments, the term fascist has been used as a pejorative word.[17]


YA, you did not even read your own definition....


BTW can people make up their mind, IS OBAMA A SOCIALIST OR A FASCIST???


reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 12:16 PM by mental modulator
Originally posted by astrij

I don't hate him.
But I completely disagree with the disrespect he has shown the American people.
Do you not feel disrespected when he rushes bills through without letting anyone read them? Does it bother you that he is rushing this latest "global warming" bill through in the same manner? or that he is trying to manipulate us by using junk science in order to "scare" us into supporting the bill?

do you ever wonder if he actually has our best interest in mind?

Did you feel the same disrespect when the previous administration began the usurpation of your freedoms?

Did you feel the same disrespect when the previous administration began dismantling your constitution? Wasn't it George W. Bush that claimed your constitution was nothing more than a piece of paper?

Did you feel disrespected when the previous administration sent five thousand American citizens to their deaths in Iraq based on lies?

Did you feel disrespect when the previous administration handed a trillion dollars in American tax payer money to international bankers and financial institutions?

For all the nonsense spouted about the Republican party being the true patriots of America, they certainly don't seem to show much concern for the thousands of Vietnam vets who are wasting away on the streets all throughout the U.S.A. These men served their country and were afforded zero respect in return. How incredibly sad.

Do I think Obama is any different from the rest? Sadly, no, I do not. He has also continued the trend of pissing away the tax dollars of hard working Americans to international bankers and financial institutions.

However, I see a light at the end of the tunnel for the American citizenry. The actions of both the Republicans, and the Democrats over the last several years should prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that neither party has the best interests of the American population in mind, and should serve to unite Americans under a common goal. The goal being to restore America to its former glory. A country in which the state serves its citizens and not the other way around, and a nation which cherishes freedom, liberty and the principles that the constitution was founded upon.

Unfortunately, if this forum is indicative of reality, the divisiveness, and partisan allegiances remains strong in the United States of America. Despite the fact that both political parties have proven that they couldn't care less about the people they have been elected to serve.

Astrij








No,,, but they have had some hot times with a couple of chickens.


reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 12:57 PM by nixie_nox
reply to post by JulieMills


We have gone on to better threads where people have more important things to discuss then whether he should of taken his wife on a date and how Michelle is evil because she started a garden that she probably doesn't work on. And how horrible Obama is for giving the Queen an ipod.

Seriously, all the unbased apoctolypic bashing is old and tired, and we just are not wasting our time on the inane dribble anymore.

When you are ready to maturely discuss a policy without name calling and cheap shots., we will be here.


Because trying to discuss anything logically here is like trying to convince a tabloid to stop running cheap made up articles about celebrities. And it seems that is where many of you are getting your information from.
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