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Topic started on 29-6-2009 @ 01:10 PM by spacevisitor
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Reading this just now at unknowncountry.com, that there was lately a remarkable change in recent US military policy, I try to imagine what the reason
could be for this new way of secrecy about possible incoming asteroids.
Is it because they already know that something unpleasant is coming our way and they does not want it to be known as done the usable way, or could
there be another reasonable explanation for it?
Does anyone else have an idea?
New Asteroid Secrecy
25-Jun-2009
But why? –
Information from military satellites about incoming asteroids has always been given to scientists in the past, but now the military has suddenly
classified the information.
A recent US military policy decision now explicitly states that observations by spy satellites of incoming fireballs have been classified as secret so
they cannot be released. These are satellites that detect nuclear bomb sites and tests, such as those in North Korea and Iran. As a side
effect, they have also detected potentially incoming asteroids. This means that incoming space rocks that may explode in our atmosphere are now
classified, so we cannot be prepared for a possible cataclysm.
In Space.com, Leonard David quotes an anonymous NASA scientist as saying, "It's baffling to us why this would suddenly change. It's unfortunate
because there was this great synergy, a very good cooperative arrangement. Systems were put into dual-use mode where a lot of science was getting done
that couldn't be done any other way. It's a regrettable change in policy."
David quotes NASA's David Morrison as saying, "The fireball data from military or surveillance assets have been of critical importance for assessing
the impact hazard." Are they afraid that someone might identify these space rocks as incoming UFOs?
www.unknowncountry.com...
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reply posted on 29-6-2009 @ 01:54 PM by BazzeMan
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well, it seems that it has something to do with flight 447.
read this: www.sott.net...
apparently the hazards of exploding meteors are huge and there seems to be an increase in +kiloton explosions in our atmosphere.
obviosly the ptb don't want us to know that a hailstorm is coming our way...
anybody got a bulletproof umbrella?
edit to add: groetjes uit eindhoven!
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reply posted on 29-6-2009 @ 01:58 PM by CaptainCaveMan
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Hi whenever the military stops something look to the money first.
Cost is probably why, the bean counters got onto it, it takes them a while, they found a hole of money being spent and plugged it.
They are not stopping anyone looking at asteroids.
This satellite was not meant to look at asteroids.
There is many telescopes and observatory's that monitor asteroids and UFO's.
If they wanted to classify the whole sky they could think about it.
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reply posted on 29-6-2009 @ 03:21 PM by BazzeMan
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@captaincaveman: actually, this sattelite is looking for explosions on the earth and in the atmosphere. no other observatory does that.
it's not about money but it is about (information)control. making something a secret costs maybe even more than sharing the information.
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reply posted on 29-6-2009 @ 03:35 PM by Phage
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I have to wonder where the quote in the OP about incoming asteroids (prominently highlighted) comes from. The satellites they are talking about look
down, toward the Earth's surface, not up. They have never detected an incoming asteroid in space nor could they. Their purpose is finding bright
events within the atmosphere. Asteroids, before they become meteors are not bright and are not within the atmosphere.
As usual, it helps to go to the source rather than the sensationalist nonsense.
The satellites' main objectives include detecting nuclear bomb tests, and their characterizations of asteroids and lesser meteoroids as they
crash through the atmosphere has been a byproduct data bonanza for scientists. The upshot: Space rocks that explode in the atmosphere are now
classified.
www.space.com...
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reply posted on 29-6-2009 @ 03:49 PM by ZombieJesus
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This makes perfect sense for the military to not release sensitive information like that. As obviously pointed out above, the meteor data came as a by
product from the original mission objective.
Why compromise sensitive data to the private sector when you have North Korea running its mouth and an un stable Iran, that is also backed by Russia
none the less.
Its a safer bet to just keep the data within the military instead of trying to keep the scientists happy.
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reply posted on 29-6-2009 @ 04:46 PM by BazzeMan
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guys, come on!
this is not about detecting incoming meteors, it's about detecting meteors exploding in our atmosphere.
this info was gladly shared before the incident with flight 447 and now suddenly and without explanation it isn't anymore.
why would that be?
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reply posted on 29-6-2009 @ 05:11 PM by ZombieJesus
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reply to post by BazzeMan
guys, come on!
this is not about detecting incoming meteors, it's about detecting meteors exploding in our atmosphere.
um...actually, it's not, it's only a byproduct.
The satellites' main objectives include detecting nuclear bomb tests, and their characterizations of asteroids and lesser meteoroids as they crash
through the atmosphere has been a byproduct data bonanza for scientists.
www.space.com...
this info was gladly shared before the incident with flight 447 and now suddenly and without explanation it isn't anymore.
I have to give you some CT credit though, your the first person Ive seen try to link flight 447 to this.
Heres another thread alread discussing this topic.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
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reply posted on 29-6-2009 @ 05:23 PM by Phage
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reply to post by BazzeMan
Why on Earth would you make a connection to flight 447? Are you suggesting that the plane was hit by a meteor and that for some reason the military
feels that's a good reason to stop release of their information? Your timing is wrong. Again, it's a good idea to go to the source:
But all that ended within the last few months, leaving scientists blind-sided and miffed by the shift in policy. The hope is that the
policy decision will be revisited and overturned.
www.space.com...
I think it's far more likely that, as pointed out, the recent military activity in Korea and Iran have more to do with the change in policy. It's
not just the data on meteors, it's observations by the satellites...period.
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reply posted on 29-6-2009 @ 05:30 PM by BazzeMan
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@phage: have you read the link i provided?
it's not about a meteor hitting the plane directly but about the shockwave of an exploding meteor knocking it out of the sky.
read, my friend.
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reply posted on 29-6-2009 @ 05:45 PM by Phage
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reply to post by BazzeMan
I did read the article and it is an interesting idea (I confess, I did say "hit") but it doesn't change the fact that the new policy was instituted
months ago so relating it to flt 447 (June 1) is kind of hard to do.
Related to the article (but not this thread):
In January 2000, a meteor only 15 ft (5 m) across entered the atmosphere and exploded over the town of Whitehorse in the Canadian Yukon. The blast
created an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) similar to that of a high-altitude nuclear detonation and disabled a third of the region's electrical power
grid.
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reply posted on 29-6-2009 @ 07:45 PM by Atlantican
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It's about hiding a gigantic explosion in a remote region that would, normally, not be otherwise known. Think about it.
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reply posted on 29-6-2009 @ 09:47 PM by Chemley
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We have established that there was a change in policy regarding data shared between the military and scientists involving incoming objects. We have
also established that 447 went down mysteriously with all systems seeming to fail at once. Not sure the two are related, but maybe. I guess we have
less of a chance of knowing based upon the policy change.
Guess it is time for the scientists to get their own satellite up to provide the information. Nothing would stop that, right? Or has space been
militarized? Other companies have technology up there that can show me naked sunbathing by my pool for all to see, ssssoooo...
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reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 02:19 AM by BazzeMan
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there certainly will be some military resistance to putting a sattelite up there that achieves the same objective as the original one. why not share
the information like before?
of course they never shared the sensitive information like nuclear blasts but only the explosions from incoming meteors.
seems pretty obvious to me.
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reply posted on 30-6-2009 @ 09:28 AM by spacevisitor
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reply posted on 15-7-2009 @ 01:31 PM by BazzeMan
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On a larger scale one can imagine it's not directly related to the air france flight but to the fact that there is a rise in (multi)megaton
explosions in the atmosphere related to meteors (like tunguska).
maybe they know something we're not supposed to know and are hiding the info so it doesn't scare the living bejesus out of us...
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reply posted on 29-7-2009 @ 06:47 PM by Phage
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It seems that the sharing of data from the military was never cut off. Some scientists panicked over a March 16 memo from Brigadier General Rego.
However the memo actually called for a policy to make data about meteors more freely available, not to restrict it. Because of a certain amount of
vagueness in policy, there had been cases of data not being released in a timely manner. A policy change is in the works, but it is for better access.
And in the mean time data continues to flow.
Rego says
"What we've found as we dug into this is that there was quite a bit of gapping that had occurred, even before the routine review that we did
back in March," Rego said. "So notwithstanding the routine policy review, what we're doing in the next few weeks here...is circling the wagons so
that we can remove some of the Ad Hoc nature."
Rego also spotlighted his concern that there's no real mechanism in place to ensure that the bolide data is sent to science researchers in a timely
manner.
So by tightening the organizational ship, can the useful bolide data for scientific purposes be made available more quickly?
"Sooner and more consistently," Rego said. "We can probably do this better."
"The data is out there. It's not impacting military operations to gather the data that's important to the scientific community," Rego added.
"Let's take a look at how we can do that in a timely and collegiate manner."
www.space.com...
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reply posted on 22-8-2009 @ 01:55 PM by BazzeMan
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Thanks Phage for the reply, but I got a little suspicious when I read this:
"I have been keeping a close eye on this situation, and I am confident the Department of Defense, in cooperation with the scientific community, will
find a solution that permits the release of scientifically valuable data without compromising national security," Rohrabacher explained in a
statement to SPACE.com.
As for a message to the scientific community, Brigadier General Rego emphasized that there was no intent, and in fact, no change to the data sharing
policy. Now underway is a fresh look at ways to improve the relationship and data flow to make it more valuable to scientists."
Hmm, what to think about that? Giving data without compromising national security and to improve the data flow to make it more valuable to
scientists...
In favor of whom, I ask.
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