Can anyone prove there is an "Illuminati"?

reply to post by network dude

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Well it's a viewpoint. It's how someone sees the world really. Instead of asking, does the Illuminati exist? Do our leaders have an ideology of global governance? That unfortunately is very true, and if that is what you want evidence of well I can provide plenty.

So, whether these leaders are so called "illuminated", or devil worshipers, or socialist, fascist, communist, or whatever else does not really matter. Most don't want a global government, or even local, run by bankers. The evidence of this coming about is non-debatable. Can anyone say there is no set agenda for this? Look at Cap n Trade alone and ask yourself; why?

You can attribute the title Illuminati to these happenings, but to no set people. Get it yet? It's just describing an agenda which does very well exist. Can I prove a military industrial complex exist? Sure. How about massive corruption in government? Yep. How about the past and current shady dealings of the CIA? Yeah. Massive fraud in our financial institutions? Mmmhmm. Is there extremely powerful and influential group of genetically-related individuals behind most of this? Evidence shows yes.

Does any of this prove a secret sect of Illuminati exist? No, but it shows the ideology of one is alive and well. I think Paul Joseph Watson would answer you best:

“The New World Order is not a 'conspiracy' in the strictest sense of the term - it is an agenda. The agenda is orchestrated by a power elite that thinks it has the divine right to commandeer total control of your life. But who are 'they'? Who are the 'power elite'? The UN, the EU, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral Commission, the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, the Royal Institute of International Affairs, the Club of Rome. The list goes on and there have been many books written that cover the history of these groups and how they connect to each other … The agenda is a worldwide consolidation and centralization of power into the hands of an all-encompassing World Government. This system will evolve from the European Union, (already in place) the American Union, (derived from NAFTA) and the Asian Union. When these three models are in existence, they will be merged together to create the One World Government.”

What the hell, how about some of their own words?

“The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” -FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover

"Fifty men have run America and that's a high figure." -US Ambassador
Joseph P. Kennedy

Zbigneiw Brzezinski is a former U.S. National Security Advisor, Trilateral
Commission co-founder, member of the CFR, “It will soon be possible to assert almost continuous control over every citizen and to maintain up-to-date files, containing even the most personal details about health and personal behavior of every citizen in addition to the more customary data. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities. Power will gravitate into the hands of those who control information. Our existing institutions will be supplanted by pre-crisis management institutions, the task of which will be to identify in advance likely social crises and to develop programs to cope with them. This will encourage tendencies through the next several decades toward a Technotronic Era, a Dictatorship leaving even less room for political procedures as we know them. Finally, looking ahead to the end of the century, the possibility of biochemical mind control and genetic tinkering with man, including beings which will function like men and reason like them as well, could give rise to some difficult questions.”

There isn't enough room to place all the quotes and information out there, but you get the idea.

reply to post by network dude

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read ,juri lina book 'architects of deception' , he was a soviet journalist and dissident who documented the masonic organiztions controlling USSR , by researching through the Estoninan KGB archives

enough said



[edit on 3-7-2009 by Kombatt98]

reply to post by Xtinguish

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the original Illuminati was a group with principals much like that of Masonry. As a whole, money, power, world domination is not at all what the ultimate goal is. Trying to make the things you can control better for everyone is what the broad definition would be. When you take a group that is in power, it is easy to make them part of some evil cabal so you don't have to feel guilty of being jealous of their wealth.

I do however, not understand the obvious quest for more money and more power that some appear to have. It begs the question, how much is enough? Knowing the direction the world should go and being able to direct it are two every different things. I just wish the right people had the right ideals instead of the way it is now. Greed is by far the worst enemy of any person. Overcoming that would be the stuff.

thanks for the interesting conversation.

If this does not explain explain some things I can elaborate further. I promis I wont rant I wont post my opinoin Unless back it up with sufficiant fact....PLEASE let me know what you think.

www.youtube.com...

I know what ur thinkin oh "Utube".....its just an audio episode of the "Hour of the time radio show"...It is an Historical, Anthropological and scientific introduction of the subject matter of well the "Illuminati" if you want to call it that but not the "Bavarian Illuminati"which most people refer to because of a lack of historical and philisophical understanding. This audio episode refers to the "Illuminati" or long chain of "Mystery schools" which stretches bach to ancient egypt and before..in which the "Bavarian Illuminati" was most likely just a small chapter of.

No one on here can prove anything. Most the people on here can just rehash crap they've heard their hero alex jones say. lmao.

Or they can link to wikipedia or youtube videos as if those are valid sources for anything.

[edit on 4-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

You say anything.

I can prove something and something can be anything. Therefore I just proved anything, and proved you wrong.

Well aren't you the clever one... hehe, you sure got me....

idiot. And I'm not really into insulting people or anything but what is the point of your post? The only reason I can think you would have posted that is you thought you were clever and thought you would "get one over on me" as the saying goes... or something...

And I don't buy into this whole illuminati/nwo taking over the world thing... people might be controlling your life, but no one is controlling mine.

Thank you, move along.


[edit on 5-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

I was trying to be clever, but at the same time I was debunking your statement that conspiracy theorist can't prove "anything".

You don't buy into the NWO, well ok fine. So what is the point of YOUR post? To tell us you don't believe in the NWO? Well congrats it's a success. We now know YOU don't believe in the NWO. I feel much better now.

Idiot.

... Hum... Who or what could that be...? I think that particular entity goes by many names...

search "IlluminatiOrder" in google, no spaces. It's interesting. Like scientologists, but snootier.

read especially the blog about the NWO and egregores or something or other.

it's just weird that's all.

whatever floats your boat though, each person has the right to their own beliefs I guess but it's probably not for the average person out there.

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so, have I proved it?

how many people here have seen these sites before, and do you think they're real?

[edit on 7-7-2009 by contactee]

If you think of the Illuminati as a collection of secret societies, you're not going to go anywhere. Being that they are secret societies, there isn't much reliable information on them.

Instead, you can focus on other types of groups, such as the Rothschild family, the Rockefeller family, the British Royal Crown, the Ford Foundation, the John Birch Society, and such. There are members of secret societies who are not really part of the Illuminati, but the people who control these types of groups are, and are usually members of multiple secret societies (as well as members of the board of advisors at a number of institutions).