Originally posted by scubagravy
Hi DD,

Riddle me this.......... ( & ANYONE ELSE WHO THINKS THEY HAVE THE ANSWER)

If the so-called powers that be want to reduce the population by a vast amount in whatever way they choose either by swine, fluoride or by other methods, Why on earth would a powerful person like Obama who is supposedly controlled like a puppet introduce an Anit-Smoking Bill ???

Shouldnt they be giving out free cigarettes to all ?? they're are going to cut out healthcare anyway arnt they, eventually?

Go on, I'll bite

Smokers on the whole are a hardy and reliably addicted breed (I my self fall into at least the later category) So therefore you can depend on a large percentage to continue smoking (and grumbling) no matter what you do.... Mr Obama would like to daemonise smoking because it is a popular issue for many good reasons - one apparently acceptable way of openly taking action is to put the tax up, the non smokers like this, the treasury likes this also and it makes the president look good with very little work and not much risk - simples!

They have been doing similar year on year here in the UK - just it seems you guys have had it all in one fat dollop of tax hike!

(oh yhea they can make one concession to killing off the masses where smoking is concerned - it often takes a long time, dosen't always work and the whole deal has been studied by every man and his dog - much better to look at more exotic methods, say wrapping EVERYTHING in plastics, putting random ingredients in foods that on there own in small doses are fine, but over time accumulate in the body and interact with others in ways that are not known - the world is one big experiment - better to keep the ideas coming if you know what I mean... And besides the new utopia wouldn't look so shiny with the survivors still dropping dog ends everywhere)

Originally posted by Solomons
I bet you he cuts down the amount of cigs he smokes a day by ALOT aswell.The amount of chemicals they put into tobacco to make nicotine more bio available is scary.

I started smoking Peter Stokebye Roll Your own tobacco about 6 months ago. The tobacco tastes better and I do smoke a lot less than when I smoked camels. I buy a can online for about 51 bucks and it lasts me about 1 month. I have started giving people some to try and so far 3 people that I know have quite smoking regular cigs because the tobacco blends are way may superior. I smoked a regular cigarette the other day and it tasted like crap and it makes me wonder why I even smoke one from time to time. If You like to smoke I would advise that Your stop paying for big tobacco because its only enriching them and well let me say their product sucks arse. If You think roll Your own is harsh think again they have some blends that are smoother than the light cigarettes that You buy over the counter. I really enjoy the Norwegian blend and the London blend....


Try it if You like to smoke because in the end You will thank me...

why is everyone trying so hard to do something so easy? If you want to get your own tobacco, ask a farmer. he grows it, cures it, and bundles it. then he goes to the auction and sells it. Buy a small bundle from him and roll away. he could probably sweep up enough for most folks after they bundle it. I had to quit those nasty things because they were getting too expensive. (10 years ago) My reward? 40 pounds of excess me. And I still crave the little bastards every now and then.

I'd grow my own too, especially if I lived up here in Washington state, I was just in the local store and smokes are $8.35 per pack, the lady told me that you can go about fifty miles to a reservation and buy them for $5 per pack.

That is INSANE.

I can almost see the feds raiding people's homes now, confiscating their homegrown tobacco and making arrests.

Im glad I quit, about 8 months ago, but I havent really noticed health changes too much. I actually felt like my lungs were stronger back then. Maybe because I put them through so much strain

Has anyone read the short story "The 10 O'clock People" , by Stephen King?

In this story; it's been awhile so forgive, the people that smoked cigarettes, were part of a special group of people privy to this hostile creature takeover going on in the world. It was because they smoked cigarettes, and thus had a smoke with strangers, random conversations with fellow smokers, etc. This in turn kind of enlightened them more so than the people that didn't.

I think that's exactly what is going on here. Why the crackdown on smoking?

To cut down the free speech behind every cigarette break that a guy shares, with employees, friends, family, and all the talk, logic that is produced by these 10 minutes spurts of conversation.

Just my take on it.

Originally posted by XXXN3O

Originally posted by scubagravy
Hi DD,

Riddle me this.......... ( & ANYONE ELSE WHO THINKS THEY HAVE THE ANSWER)

If the so-called powers that be want to reduce the population by a vast amount in whatever way they choose either by swine, fluoride or by other methods, Why on earth would a powerful person like Obama who is supposedly controlled like a puppet introduce an Anit-Smoking Bill ???

Shouldnt they be giving out free cigarettes to all ?? they're are going to cut out healthcare anyway arnt they, eventually?


Im really starting to think that smoking tobacco has an adverse effect on things like Fluoride and such...... its just not making sense.

hmm??

I worked in pre clinical studies and whether you believe this is entirely up to you as I cannot provide facts from the net on this.

At the time there was a study on the effects of each of these categories and how each one was effected in time...

Smokers who had smoked all there lives and continued to do so

Long term smokers who had smoked for over 5 years and then stopped

People who had never smoked

Guess which ones had a higher cancer rate?

Smokers who had quit.

Good question and thats why.

You will see in time when they ban cigarettes completely, cancer rates will go through the roof.

Yes, perhaps for this generation of old people that have been smoking. But what about the xxx,xxx amt. of people that do not take up something bc of anti smoking initiatives?

The people that die now will not even touch the exponential number if xxx,xxx amt. dont smoke - so there is a good chance their kids wont.. and on and on down the line...

[edit on 29-6-2009 by GreenBicMan]

To him for growing his own. I hope he has a good crop and never has to pay taxes on his tobacco again ! Just hope he doesn't get a visit from ATF, or the FDA lookin to demolish his crops.

Cigarettes here in Chicago are about $90. a carton

I drive to the next county (about 45 minuntes there and 45 minutes back) so i can get a carton for $48 and change

I'm so sick of them targeting smokers everytime they need money for something. Wish i could grow my own. I hope evetyone that can grow their own tobacco does it !

I'm sure it won't be long though before they make growing your own illegal, or find some way to tax you on it

Not sure if this has been said yet...

In Aunstralia it is illegal to grow or have in your possession illegally grown Tobacco. The penalties are high, much higher than for the same charges with Weed. The reason? Tax!!

Here we call home grown Tobacco "Chop Chop", and it is pleasant to smoke with no horrible taste or reactions. But if the government do not get their tax cut on the tobacco you will do time, long time. Beware in the U.S. as you may find a similar situation raising it's dumb and ugly head soon enough.

Originally posted by scubagravy
Hi DD,

Riddle me this.......... ( & ANYONE ELSE WHO THINKS THEY HAVE THE ANSWER)

If the so-called powers that be want to reduce the population by a vast amount in whatever way they choose either by swine, fluoride or by other methods, Why on earth would a powerful person like Obama who is supposedly controlled like a puppet introduce an Anit-Smoking Bill ???

Shouldnt they be giving out free cigarettes to all ?? they're are going to cut out healthcare anyway arnt they, eventually?

As a responce to your question, I have one of my own...

Is this an "Anti-Smoking Bill"


OR a "Make them pay the government MORE for smoking Bill"


Well?


Does that answer your question?


-Edrick