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reply posted on 29-6-2009 @ 11:09 AM by XXXN3O
Originally posted by scubagravy
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Are you saying that i may be onto something here?? Its puzzled me for a while. I can understand why trying to find information on the net to validate this would be somewhat difficult.

I will follow my theory a little closer from now on.

Thankyou for that input, i can imagine you may recieve some critism from others on your post, but u get a star from me.

External box thinking, I like it !!


Another thing as well just to try and back it up a little.

Look at other addictions for example alchohol, if you are a chronic addict if you do not get a regular intake you die from the effects of withdrawal. Same with many illegal drugs as well.

Its quite messed up actually because the taxes are increasing massively and making smokers poor. When people stop either from choice, poverty or an outright ban most will not have money for healthcare when they need it when it was caused by policies in the first place.

Read this, I managed to find something along similar lines

baabmallya.sulekha.com...

The association is more than just casual – development of cancer within a few months of eschewing cigarette smoking.

Over a period of 4 years, a total of 312 cases were treated for carcinoma of pulmonary origin: of this number, 182 patients had quit smoking within five to fifteen months prior to their being diagnosed with lung cancer. Of the 182 patients 142 were male and 40 were females, with ages ranged between 47 to 74.


Whats your theory?



reply posted on 29-6-2009 @ 11:20 AM by fraterormus
I just started growing my first crop of tobacco this year. I'm giving a go at growing a Heritage Burley, Dark Virginia, Salamena Blue, Stag Horn and Yayla Karpaz in my backyard garden.

Some of them, such as the Dark Virginia are very fast growing. It has surprised me how big they have gotten and how quickly.

A couple of caveats about backyard growing however...

1.) Many varieties of Tobacco grow tall. Neighbors could easily mistake them for Cannabis and report you for growing 7 foot tall plants (I've had the neighbors call the Narcotics Division to report me once for growing Echinacea in my backyard. The SWAT team showed up and were all serious until they saw the plants and had a good laugh with me over it.)

2.) Tobacco plants STINK! I mean really STINK! The odour, especially during the heat of the summer is almost overwhelming. Your neighbors may not appreciate this (and I'm getting flak about it from my roommate as well...the only reason she has let me continue this far is that I have promised her she can use the stalks and smaller leaves for making homemade paper).

3.) Pests, pests, pests! I grow an Organic Vegetable Garden and have never had a problem with pests, until I started growing Tobacco this year. Slugs love the Tobacco. Preying Mantis love the Tobacco. Aphids love the Tobacco. Ants love the Tobacco. Insects I don't recognize love the Tobacco. I'll be genuinely surprised if any of the leaves are left come harvest! Not only that, once they feast on my Tobacco they find their way into my OG Vegetable Garden! I really don't want to spray or use pesticides, but with Tobacco their might not be an alternative.

It's been an interesting experience. I can't wait until Harvest and give my try at drying the leaves and curing them in an impromptu smokehouse. I hear that the drying & curing process creates even a stronger stench than growing them, but we will see.

The difficult part is that I smoke Kreteks exclusively and am hoping to get something that will allow me to make my own Kreteks now that they are banned for sale in the US. I already have the Cloves and made my own extract of spices to soak the Tobacco in once it cures. Unfortunately most Kreteks are made of a blend 40/60 blend that utilize 30 different varieties of Tobacco. There's no way I'm going to be able to get the same thing from my backyard, but I'm hopeful I'll have something I can live with.


reply posted on 29-6-2009 @ 11:22 AM by XXXN3O
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Your post got me wondering there.

How long will it be until this is deemed illegal for being outwith health and safety regulations or something similar?

I dont think it will be allowed much longer.

Good on you for taking some initiative and relying on yourself.




reply posted on 29-6-2009 @ 11:31 AM by Solomons
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They still add chemicals to rolling tobacco,unless you buy organic 100% natural that is.

[edit on 29-6-2009 by Solomons]


reply posted on 29-6-2009 @ 12:02 PM by fraterormus
Originally posted by Unit541
There are plenty of all natural tobacco products out there, without all the additives, and they're certainly not "impossible" to smoke. Trust me, formaldehyde, antifreeze and urea do not make a smoother or more pleasurable smoke.


The problem with most Tobacco that finds it's way into Cigarettes is that it is not what the Native Americans and our American Forefathers grew and smoked. Contrary to popular belief, neither is the Tobacco that is found in American Spirits! These strains of Tobacco that are used are specifically bio-engineered to maximize Nicotine and Tar (all are derivatives of Y1 strain developed in the 1970s for the intentional manipulation of dramatically increasing the Nicotine content of cigarettes). The closest strains that are similar to what the Native Americans once grew aren't even available in the US anymore...the closest variety being Indonesian. The Cyprus strains are pretty old and untouched too, which is the reason I'm growing two different Cyprus varieties.

Smoking pure Tobacco itself, doesn't have the high risks that smoking commercial Tobacco products does. For various reasons, from increasing the addictive qualities to making them burn longer and lower temperatures, and for Federal Fire Safety laws, many hazardous chemicals and additives are added to *ALL* commercial Tobacco products in the US (because it's the law! If they are to be sold in the US they *MUST* have these chemical additives for "Safety" reasons...even Imports). If you go overseas and smoke the same brand you normally smoke, you'll notice the difference right away as many of these additives are not put in those products manufactured for overseas consumption.

The list of additives and chemicals added to commercial Tobacco products includes:

Acetanisole, Acetic Acid, Acetoin, Acetophenone, 6-Acetoxydihydrotheaspirane, 2-Acetyl-3- Ethylpyrazine, 2-Acetyl-5-Methylfuran, Acetylpyrazine, 2-Acetylpyridine, 3-Acetylpyridine, 2-Acetylthiazole, Aconitic Acid, dl-Alanine, Alfalfa Extract, Allspice Extract, Oleoresin, And Oil, Allyl Hexanoate, Allyl Ionone, Almond Bitter Oil, Ambergris Tincture, Ammonia, Ammonium Bicarbonate, Ammonium Hydroxide, Ammonium Phosphate Dibasic, Ammonium Sulfide, Amyl Alcohol, Amyl Butyrate, Amyl Formate, Amyl Octanoate, alpha-Amylcinnamaldehyde, Amyris Oil, trans-Anethole, Angelica Root Extract, Oil and Seed Oil, Anise, Anise Star, Extract and Oils, Anisyl Acetate, Anisyl Alcohol, Anisyl Formate, Anisyl Phenylacetate, Apple Juice Concentrate, Extract, and Skins, Apricot Extract and Juice Concentrate, 1-Arginine, Asafetida Fluid Extract And Oil, Ascorbic Acid, 1-Asparagine Monohydrate, 1-Aspartic Acid, Balsam Peru and Oil, Basil Oil, Bay Leaf, Oil and Sweet Oil, Beeswax White, Beet Juice Concentrate, Benzaldehyde, Benzaldehyde Glyceryl Acetal, Benzoic Acid, Benzoin, Benzoin Resin, Benzophenone, Benzyl Alcohol, Benzyl Benzoate, Benzyl Butyrate, Benzyl Cinnamate, Benzyl Propionate, Benzyl Salicylate, Bergamot Oil, Bisabolene, Black Currant Buds Absolute, Borneol, Bornyl Acetate, Buchu Leaf Oil, 1,3-Butanediol, 2,3-Butanedione, 1-Butanol, 2-Butanone, 4(2-Butenylidene)-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One, Butter, Butter Esters, and Butter Oil, Butyl Acetate, Butyl Butyrate, Butyl Butyryl Lactate, Butyl Isovalerate, Butyl Phenylacetate, Butyl Undecylenate, 3-Butylidenephthalide, Butyric Acid, Cadinene, Caffeine, Calcium Carbonate, Camphene, Cananga Oil, Capsicum Oleoresin, Caramel Color, Caraway Oil, Carbon Dioxide, Cardamom Oleoresin, Extract, Seed Oil, and Powder, Carob Bean and Extract, beta-Carotene, Carrot Oil, Carvacrol, 4-Carvomenthenol, 1-Carvone, beta-Caryophyllene, beta-Caryophyllene Oxide, Cascarilla Oil and Bark Extract, Cassia Bark Oil, Cassie Absolute and Oil, Castoreum Extract, Tincture and Absolute, Cedar Leaf Oil, Cedarwood Oil Terpenes and Virginiana, Cedrol, Celery Seed Extract, Solid, Oil, And Oleoresin, Cellulose Fiber, Chamomile Flower Oil And Extract, Chicory Extract, Chocolate, Cinnamaldehyde, Cinnamic Acid, Cinnamon Leaf Oil, Bark Oil, and Extract, Cinnamyl Acetate, Cinnamyl Alcohol, Cinnamyl Cinnamate, Cinnamyl Isovalerate, Cinnamyl Propionate, Citral, Citric Acid, Citronella Oil, dl-Citronellol, Citronellyl Butyrate, Citronellyl Isobutyrate, Civet Absolute, Clary Oil, Clover Tops, Red Solid Extract, Cocoa, Cocoa Shells, Extract, Distillate And Powder, Coconut Oil, Coffee, Cognac White and Green Oil, Copaiba Oil, Coriander Extract and Oil, Corn Oil, Corn Silk, Costus Root Oil, Cubeb Oil, Cuminaldehyde, para-Cymene, 1-Cysteine, Dandelion Root Solid Extract, Davana Oil, 2-trans, 4-trans-Decadienal, delta-Decalactone, gamma-Decalactone, Decanal, Decanoic Acid, 1-Decanol, 2-Decenal, Dehydromenthofurolactone, Diethyl Malonate, Diethyl Sebacate, 2,3-Diethylpyrazine, Dihydro Anethole, 5,7-Dihydro-2-Methylthieno(3,4-D) Pyrimidine, Dill Seed Oil and Extract, meta-Dimethoxybenzene, para-Dimethoxybenzene, 2,6-Dimethoxyphenol, Dimethyl Succinate, 3,4-Dimethyl-1,2-Cyclopentanedione, 3,5- Dimethyl-1,2-Cyclopentanedione, 3,7-Dimethyl-1,3,6-Octatriene, 4,5-Dimethyl-3-Hydroxy-2,5-Dihydrofuran-2-One, 6,10-Dimethyl-5,9-Undecadien-2-One, 3,7-Dimethyl-6-Octenoic Acid, 2,4-Dimethylacetophenone, alpha,para-Dimethylbenzyl Alcohol, alpha,alpha-Dimethylphenethyl Acetate, alpha,alpha Dimethylphenethyl Butyrate, 2,3-Dimethylpyrazine,2,5-Dimethylpyrazine, 2,6-Dimethylpyrazine, Dimethyltetrahydrobenzofuranone, delta-Dodecalactone, gamma-Dodecalactone, para-Ethoxybenzaldehyde.....and the list goes on...and on.....

It is that list, including things like Arsenic, Formaldehyde, and basically Anti-Freeze that are so toxic and generate the highest health risks involved in smoking, in addition to the Apatite used to fertilize Tobacco grown in the US which contains high levels of Radium, Lead 210, and Polonium 210 all of which are known radioactive carcinogens.

There are actually health benefits to smoking home-grown Tobacco without the chemical additives and radioactive fertilizer. We are told that smoking is bad for us and told over and over and over all the health risks but the health benefits of smoking are often glossed over. Smoking can actually lower Blood Pressure, promote Digestion, promote regular Bowel Movements, act as a Diuretic, temporarily alleviate Low Blood Sugar, act as an Appetite Suppressant, and is a Muscle Relaxant useful especially for alleviate the pain of Cramps.
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