Noahs Ark, Fable?, page 1
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reply posted on 29-6-2009 @ 02:03 AM by Republican08
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I don't know if your being sarcastic, or didn't read my whole post.


reply posted on 29-6-2009 @ 02:30 AM by Republican08
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Although, it's still unlikely that, every animal on earth moved them from this single mountain, on a long trot back to where it is as of now, and the canary island would be wooh, out the door.

I would find occams razor in it, instead of automatically assuming it was a deity.

May I ask you this, say we find a bizarre snail like creature on hmmmmm.... mercury (he's got a big shell for the heat!) how would you process that?


reply posted on 29-6-2009 @ 02:49 AM by ahnggk
Originally posted by InfaRedMan
I don't believe the Ark story. Even as a child the story didn't hold any water (pardon the pun).

Firstly, It would have been logistically impossible to gather 2 of every animal. We had continents separated by seas and he would have needed a ship to gather them all... millions of them... mammals, marsupials, reptiles, insects, arachnids ... etc etc etc.

Secondly, he could not have built a ship (ark) with enough structural integrity to accommodate the sheer size the ark would be required to be to house said animals and supplies such as food and water. They just didn't have the knowhow, technology or materials.

Like many things in the bible... it requires 'faith' or stupidity... and a LOT of it!

IRM


First could be the possibility that during Noah's time, Earth was still one continent, the commonly known 'Pangea' continent. It could also help strengthen the theory, thanks to you that timeline of men and dinosaurs have overlapped, thus, we might have existed during the time when there only one continent....

Second, it may seem nerve-wracking that how a ship could hold all the world's species? Well it is at first, but if you think of it carefully, you only need a male and female of each species. We only need to take land-dwelling species(that includes birds and some amphibians too). Finally, diversity of species may not be as wide now as it was Noah's time, but we actually don't know.

It was also mentioned that they had divine help. They didn't do this alone, especially the guiding of the animals to the ship.


reply posted on 29-6-2009 @ 03:08 AM by MoonChild02
reply to post by Republican08


First of all, it was six of every animal and two of the unclean ones (pigs, cattle, etc). Second, it landed on Mount Ararat. Third, it wasn't all animals all over the world, as it's understood that it wasn't the whole entire world that flooded, just the entire world as the people in the story saw it.

Basically this is what Biblical historians say happened:
Every Spring the Tigris River overflows. Every so often the overflowing of the river is so bad that it floods the entire Tigris River Valley. It's believed that particular time, humans only lived in that valley, and didn't exist elsewhere on the globe. Hence, the story of the Tower of Babble, and God having to tell the humans to spread out among the land, eventually forcing them to spread out due to language barriers.

Anyway, what happened that particular year was that the river so overflowed that it drowned everyone and everything in the valley, except those on the ark. However, due to the flooding being only within that region, Noah and his family only needed to gather the species of animals that lived there. Therefore, there was no need to grab every species that we now know of, just the ones native to the Tigris River Valley.


reply posted on 29-6-2009 @ 03:27 AM by InfaRedMan
Originally posted by ahnggk

First could be the possibility that during Noah's time, Earth was still one continent, the commonly known 'Pangea' continent. It could also help strengthen the theory, thanks to you that timeline of men and dinosaurs have overlapped, thus, we might have existed during the time when there only one continent....


Sorry but in the theory, Noah did NOT live in the time of Pangaea. They are many millions of years apart! Nice try though!


Second, it may seem nerve-wracking that how a ship could hold all the world's species?


Not nerve wracking... Impossible!


Finally, diversity of species may not be as wide now as it was Noah's time, but we actually don't know.


Fossil records suggest otherwise. New species take more than a few thousand years to evolve. They don't spontaneously manifest out of rock.

It was also mentioned that they had divine help. They didn't do this alone, especially the guiding of the animals to the ship.


There's still not enough room on the ship for the amount of species (inc food & water) that meet your new criteria, nor are there the refined materials, equipment or knowhow to make a ship that's large enough and strong enough to survive the deluge... let alone support it's own weight and that of it's occupants.

Not to be rude or anything but your grasping at straws and making excuses for obvious holes in the fable. This is where faith becomes kinda silly.

IRM

[edit on 29/6/09 by InfaRedMan]


reply posted on 29-6-2009 @ 03:29 AM by Republican08
reply to post by MoonChild02


If I go, dressed in fancy clothes, shiny clothes per se.

Go to an african tribe, that has had no encounter with outside civilizations, and learn their language, and tell them, i'm god, and that i'm going to destroy everyone with a fire.

Then burn down their village with a flamethrower, then leave, and be on my way.

But wait I decided to throw in a curve ball, I decided two people should live, and I let them ina fire proof vault, till it was over.

After slaughtering everyone in flames. Except for them, and the animals I brought them, so they can eat, or as peta, have lots of pets!

Then after this, be on my way, and never visit them again, and become a advert man!

In 2,000 years, they still had never seen a civilization other then theirs, assuming that inbred laws don't apply. .

Would they not think the same of me.

And why on eiarth would a deity create life, then be sad that their evil, which it created, and then kill them. Banishing them to hell. Then to fix the error, the paperclip guy, says hey, commit suicide, but because your now three people its ok. Then you can save certain people.

All they have to do is acknoweldge yoru existence, and then they can live forever, and be ahppy for eternity, then kill themselves as haileys comet passes by. (just kidding haileys comet was an add in fake) But still....



reply posted on 29-6-2009 @ 03:30 AM by Lannock
Originally posted by MoonChild02
reply to post by Republican08


First of all, it was six of every animal and two of the unclean ones (pigs, cattle, etc). Second, it landed on Mount Ararat. Third, it wasn't all animals all over the world, as it's understood that it wasn't the whole entire world that flooded, just the entire world as the people in the story saw it.

Basically this is what Biblical historians say happened:
Every Spring the Tigris River overflows. Every so often the overflowing of the river is so bad that it floods the entire Tigris River Valley. It's believed that particular time, humans only lived in that valley, and didn't exist elsewhere on the globe. Hence, the story of the Tower of Babble, and God having to tell the humans to spread out among the land, eventually forcing them to spread out due to language barriers.

Anyway, what happened that particular year was that the river so overflowed that it drowned everyone and everything in the valley, except those on the ark. However, due to the flooding being only within that region, Noah and his family only needed to gather the species of animals that lived there. Therefore, there was no need to grab every species that we now know of, just the ones native to the Tigris River Valley.


I assume that you're a Christian defending the Bible. If you are defending the Bible you have to defend the notion that the Bible is the LITERAL Word of God, i.e. created in 6 24-hour days. So you're saying the Bible is only the literal truth when it suits you? The Bible says every animal in the world and the entire world was flooded deeper than the highest mountains. It rained for 40 days and 40 nights.

I agree with the OP, no matter how Christians try to spin it, you need to be a total imbecile to believe the flood story. Christians generally just believe the story (Hey, it's the Word of God!) without thinking about how totally impossible it is.

IMHO, the Bible is a combo of history and myth.


reply posted on 29-6-2009 @ 03:45 AM by spellbound
reply to post by Republican08


Apparently, the wreck of the ark was found on Mount Ararat, in Turkey I think.

But who is to say what is truth and what are lies?

Not me. I find this world a very deceptive place.
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