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Obama: The New Dictator of U.S.

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posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 09:55 PM
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Okay, lets talk a minute.

First off I do not need to link to articles relating to socialism in America, nationalizing US banks, nationalizing the auto industry, 16 US Czars, government controlled corporations, tax increases, national health care, our new connection to Muslim countries, union control, open voting, carbon taxes, energy hikes, false facts about environment, or the destruction of our constitution.

And we're only in this administration by roughly 100 days!!

This has been in the works long before Obama. However I have a terrible feeling Obama is the chosen one (the messiah) that will be the last US president. I could be wrong and God please let me be, I would want nothing more than to be a completely out of controlled, paranoid American.

However I read this a while back:

George Bush's Third Term

Obviously this got me thinking because Bush is out of office and never served a third term. I decided to investigate some more. Low and behold I found this:

Three Terms for Barack Obama?

Now here's where I draw in the underlying connection - both were written by democrats; one afraid Bush would reign supreme for a third term or more, the other hoping Obama would "abolish the 22nd Amendment to the Constitution."

What do we have here? The dems pushed the public into believing Bush would be a third term president with all the national security laws he passed during his presidency. They figured he would create fear in the public and use that fear to stay in office. The dems hated Bush with a passion and did everything they could to discredit him even though they controlled the country by having house majority.

Now we have the dems saying that with all the damage Bush did ($500 billion spent while in office, + war with democrats controlling the house - go figure) we need Obama ($1.5 trillion and counting first 100 days) in office to make everything alright after all he is above America, and above the world, he is God.



If this does not spell trouble I don't know what does. It's almost as if they knew the 22nd Amendment would be destroyed and they wanted to be the ones to do it not Bush. They have completely brought about a new country and have given our Constitution a bad name. However this thread is not about the complexity of the destruction of America, I wanted to point out the clear possibility that we might have Obama for the rest of his life and not just 4-8 years.

Again, I desperately hope I am wrong about this but the proof is in whatever they are serving us. They even plan on the next president to take over after Obama to be black as well:

The next black president?

They are playing us with race, gender, class, and minority issues. They are using tactics that are backing hardworking voters into a corner and making them feel like crap! They are mean and ruthless, and will stop at nothing to keep their power over all of us. Oh and don't forget, "United We Serve", it's all over ATS so I won't repost it here, but now you can see what you voted for. Even dems are getting mad at this administration, but they're not stopping.

LETTER: Even Democrats mad at Obama

Glenn Beck: The Letter

Not to mention they are using the media to sensor political views. This is all the beginning of something I feel is very, very bad, and surprisingly stranger than fiction. I just wanted to post some links to what might be the destruction of our country and Constitution. I just hope I am completely wrong on this.




posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 10:00 PM
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There is no "government takeover" going on. That's basically a delusion:



The government sponsored enterprises (GSEs) are a group of financial services corporations created by the United States Congress. Their function is to enhance the flow of credit to targeted sectors of the economy and to make those segments of the capital market more efficient and transparent. The desired effect of the GSEs is to enhance the availability and reduce the cost of credit to the targeted borrowing sectors: agriculture, home finance and education. Congress created the first GSE in 1916 with the creation of the Farm Credit System; it initiated GSEs in the home finance segment of the economy with the creation of the Federal Home Loan Banks in 1932; and it targeted education when it chartered Sallie Mae in 1972 (although Congress allowed Sallie Mae to relinquish its government sponsorship and become a fully private institution via legislation in 1995). The residential mortgage borrowing segment is by far the largest of the borrowing segments in which the GSEs operate. Together, the three mortgage finance GSEs (Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the 12 Federal Home Loan Banks) have several trillion dollars of on-balance sheet assets. The federal government possesses warrants which, if exercised, would allow them to take a 79.9% ownership share in the companies. The federal government has not currently exercised these warrants.

Other corporations owned by the federal government include the National Railroad Passenger Corporation (which does business as Amtrak), the Tennessee Valley Authority, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, American International Group (AIG), General Motors, and the United States Postal Service. Many states have government owned businesses for operations as well (e.g. North Dakota Mill and Elevator or South Dakota Public Broadcasting). Generally speaking, a statute passed by a legislature specifically sets up a government owned company in order to undertake a specific public purpose with public funds or public property.


en.wikipedia.org...
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fas.org...

Most of these corporations have a history of socializing losses while privatizing profits, even before the Mortgage meltdown, such as Amtrak.

as discussed here

We have virtually no government involvement in private enterprise, and when it is, it's almost always there to simply soak up the losses using tax payer funds, while allowing the "captains of the ship" to walk away with their exorbitant profits.

I realize GM is literally the only thing you see in the news these days, but it's a minuscule part of American industry, and doesn't constitute a "takeover," despite what trusty reliable Rush Limbaugh might tell you.

Furthermore, GM went bankrupt due to bad business decisions coupled with a world financial crises. The government stepped in and bought a majority of stock that nobody else on the planet earth wanted, and as such I would expect for the government to have a say in what the company they own does.
It is going to be handed over to private hands soon enough.
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 10:52 PM
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Originally posted by Kaytagg

It is going to be handed over to private hands soon enough.





Don't worry GravityBender, GM is going to be sold soon enough!


Kaytagg,

Wake up, Amtrak was supposed to be sold to the public ASAP, never happened.

GM is owned by the government now, it will NEVER be sold back the public. I hate to burst your bubble, but the takeover(that's exactly what it was) of GM is part of the Marxist direction Obama and the Dems are taking this country too.

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I hope you are a nut ball too Gravity, but I fear that you just might be right. The thing about it though is that America will be in full blown Civil War if Obama keeps pushing his luck. He is rapidly losing his popularity. People might be complacent right now, but eventually they will all have an epiphany. Just like drug addicts. Then they come to their sense and then this gov is going to be in real trouble.

One thing is Obama could very well be the last president of the USA because the infighting will break the country apart, or people might just get it together, and we will have a new[/] president who's only job is to play figure head because that states will reassert their rights.

Which the Union will still stand it just wont have a federal government. And it will be a long time before one is ever put in place again.



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 11:07 PM
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Okay hold on maybe I should clear myself up a little. I only mentioned that I will not link to articles that talk of government control of corporations. That's not what this thread is about, it's about Obama staying in power.

I can say that GM is the start of things to come with corporations, and if you say it's not then how do you explain the freakin' Pay Czar? If they don't plan to control private corporations why are they getting ready to?

It's all coming to a close, and I seriously thought it would take 8 years for Obama to accomplish what he has in 100 days. That leaves me worried about the remaining 3 + years.



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 11:17 PM
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I had to reply to you as well Hastobemoretolife, I do believe a Civil War is on it's way. However, notice how across America we have run out of all types of ammunition? If you wanted to go out and buy a gun for home protection, hunting, or target practice, you will be pressed to find any ammo for it.

I heard the Obama administration is blaming the current war for this shortage, but if that was the case why is the shortage now instead of 7 years ago? I think they know an uprising will start and they are planning to squash it before it happens. But that's just my opinion, take it as is.



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 11:25 PM
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You do know that every state has at least one armory that has LOTS of ammo and anyone who has been in the military knows how to gather it on the battle field as you go. Our soldiers that are now not under oath and will be the backbone of the citizens of what ever happens have been trained in the best tactics of every type of unconventional warfare that has ever been used against us or others. People forget there are nearly 6 million+ ex- military in our populace.

Zindo

edit to note that there are more that are not happy with the situation than there are happy with how the government treats them!

[edit on 6/28/2009 by ZindoDoone]



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 11:29 PM
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I see where you are coming from, but the government isn't the one buying up all the ammo. It is also easing up now too.

The citizens are buying up all the ammo. There was a thread on here, about a policeman that taught at the police academy and cops, FBI agents, military, etc. people are buying up all guns and ammo. Because they fear just like you and million of other people that things are about to get very thick.

Believe me civil war is on the horizon and it isn't going to be pretty. I personally don't want any part of it, but the government is going to force everybody into it.

The only way for communism, or socialism, or fascism to come full bore to America is a violent revolution, and it is going to fail, big time. My biggest fear of it all, is when it all pops off I'm afraid that genocide is going to take place.

That is honestly my thoughts about the whole thing. Even if America gets attacked again more people are going to turn on the government. Whether you follow Marx's idea of a violent revolution to bring in communism, or Clowed Pivens(sp?) crisis strategy it all ends up at the same place, violent conflict.

People are waking up in droves. And when the story about the exile of the Honduras president hits the air waves and it comes out that Obama supports a Marxist dictator instead of the rule of law, I think you know where this is going.

I don't know when the outbreak is going to occur, but its going to happen and there are people that have been preparing for this decades.



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 11:30 PM
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I see what you are saying. But what about the average guy, or someone who is new to firearms? I remember hearing it was a pretty big concern a few months ago.

I know that most ex-military will be ready, but my concern is with everyday Joe and his family. I really can't imagine a Civil War, but I know it's possible and has happened before in this country. Thanks for the reply!



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 11:34 PM
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I think this is where it comes down to "what will you fight for?" Because everyday people might not want to see a war in their country and side with the gov.

While others would take after our forefather's and say, my freedom is worth dying for. Period. Thanks for the reply!



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 11:38 PM
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Have enough people spend winter deciding on heating or eating and I think you'll have enough people angry and WON'T side with the government.


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posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 11:39 PM
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Originally posted by gravitybender
reply to post by Kaytagg
 


Okay hold on maybe I should clear myself up a little. I only mentioned that I will not link to articles that talk of government control of corporations. That's not what this thread is about, it's about Obama staying in power.


Okay, fair enough.


I can say that GM is the start of things to come with corporations, and if you say it's not then how do you explain the freakin' Pay Czar? If they don't plan to control private corporations why are they getting ready to?


On June 10, 2009, Feinberg was appointed by the Obama Administration to oversee the compensation of the top executives at companies which have received federal bailout assistance.

In other words, he only has authority over companies that would be bankrupt had the government not stepped in with a multi billion dollar capital injection, or take ownership of shares that nobody else in the world wanted.

This is just the government ensuring the bailout funds, which total hundreds of billions of dollars, aren't legally funneled strait into the CEO's of the institutions that were given the funds. That's exactly what I would expect them to do.


It's all coming to a close, and I seriously thought it would take 8 years for Obama to accomplish what he has in 100 days. That leaves me worried about the remaining 3 + years.


I don't think you've made a great case that the USA is turning into the USSA.

I agree that some of the laws are getting to the point of fascism, but not in the business world. It's still chugging along like it has since the Reagan years of deregulation.

Here's a related thread I made on who's doing it, why, and where it's taking us.

Here's an excerpt from another post I made about why regulations are so important:


The best protection is a working regulatory institution.

While bush was in office, he installed more than 100 top officials who were once lobbyists, attorneys or spokespeople for the industries they oversee, which is a bit like assigning the fox to guard the hen house.

To add fuel to the fire, the SEC was filled with men of such unfathomable incompetence, they did not notice Bernard Madoff's Ponzi scheme after receiving detailed reports for nearly 10 years outlining ever detail of illegal activity.

Describing them thusly:

a group of 3,500 chickens tasked to chase down and catch foxes which are faster, stronger and smarter than they are…As currently staffed, the SEC would have trouble finding first base at Fenway Park if seated in the Red Sox dugout and given an afternoon to find it.


Then, Bush decided to remove the Uptick Rule, which made it possible for speculators and the arbitrageurs (remember them?) to literally send a company into bankruptcy using the open market, or at the very least, scare the hell out of everyone by causing the stock price to drop just a few pennies above zero.

Starting to get the picture of what's going on here?

Wait, there's more:

In 1999, Bill Clinton Signed into law the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, allowing mega corporations, wielding ungodly sums of money, to merge together and begin speculating in the derivatives and OTC market. It also made the now famous credit default swaps legally impossible to regulate.

Adding to the volatility of the market, oil prices were soaring to never before imagined heights, due mostly to the speculative activities of institutions fomenting higher prices with their 10s of billions of capital and low margin requirements:

world consumption of oil at 87 million bpd was far exceeded by the "paper market" for oil, which equals about 1.36 billion bpd, or more than 15 times the actual market demand.
www.reuters.com...


A study of the oil market by Masters Capital Management was released which claimed that speculation did significantly impact the market. The study stated that over $60 billion was invested in oil during the first 6 months of 2008, helping drive the price per barrel from $95 to $147 per barrel, and that by the beginning of September, $39 billion had been withdrawn by speculators, causing prices to fall.
www.thetimesonline.com...


And that's not even the half of it, but the rest, as they say, is history.
Here we are, slumped over, bailing out the very institutions that caused this mess
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 11:40 PM
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You will be surprised how fast you can learn when very fast projectiles are wizzing over your head! It's always amazed me how quick the human being adapts to warfare! This is not going to be fun and games and hopefully it does not come to it. I fear though that what you see in the movie "The Patriot" is going to happen again only more will be effected! Just my Dos Centavos!

Zindo



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 11:41 PM
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That is why I fear genocide. When they see the military and the people like FBI and the likes shooting at government operatives, they are going to be looked at as traitors.

I will feel real sorry for those people siding with the government, they will have a fate that they don't deserve. It is really going to come down to "ride or die".

It's going to be real ugly.



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 11:43 PM
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That survival instinct will come in real fast. You as well as I know if it comes down to it, it will be a slaughter.

The gov will start breaking out the chemical and biological weapons. They are way out numbered and they know it.

Edit to add - I was watching a little bit of that movie last night, really crazy when you think about it.

[edit on 28-6-2009 by Hastobemoretolife]



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 11:49 PM
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Originally posted by ZindoDoone
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You do know that every state has at least one armory that has LOTS of ammo and anyone who has been in the military knows how to gather it on the battle field as you go. Our soldiers that are now not under oath and will be the backbone of the citizens of what ever happens have been trained in the best tactics of every type of unconventional warfare that has ever been used against us or others. People forget there are nearly 6 million+ ex- military in our populace.

Zindo

edit to note that there are more that are not happy with the situation than there are happy with how the government treats them!

[edit on 6/28/2009 by ZindoDoone]

Zindo friend it is true there are a lot of very adept and skilled Americans out there that have the spirit and wherewithal to adapt and improvise and I for one rest a little bit better at night thinking that when push comes to shove those Americans who know what freedom really is and prize it above all else will rise to the occasion.

I still have two worries; the first is not a well defined one in a scientific or practical sense but one I don’t think it is entirely safe to discount:

What if the government does posses some type of mind control specifically for battlefield applications?

Surely they must know at some point people will revolt. That means they either want us to revolt for political reasons we might not even be able to accurately guess at or that they feel confident that they have some edge that could stop determined citizens from revolting and it would seem to me a mind control type of weapon would be best at that.


Now here is what is not science fiction, and that’s the enslaving monetary system of Central Banks throughout the world. We owe other nations trillions of dollars and the Federal Reserve and the Banking Cartels really to seem to be an independent and separate animal that controls the government but is not an official part of the government and in many ways is above the government. What will these factions do (The Powers that Be) if we the citizens take out the government. More importantly what does the rest of the world do over the money we as a nation owe them as nations and private citizens if all of a sudden the people of the United States form a new government minus the inclusion of the Federal Reserve and the Banksters, mainly because the Federal Reserve and the Banksters are angry that we broke their toy? Where will the money come from, how will we as a huge body of collective people function in a world where we are for too dependent on foreign capital, resources and cooperation to feed and fuel us? That’s my big concern because the reality is that every other nation is under the same enslaving system and the minute we aren’t, there will be no mechanism for trade with these other nations, and no treasury to pay these other nations. That’s my big fear is that the war we would have thought we had won in winning back the country, might just turn out in reality to be an opening skirmish for then having to reestablish and redefine our very existence in the world, and how and what we can do for the rest of the world we are up to hawk to our eyeballs too, and how and what they are going to do for us then with us being so dependent upon them for so many things.

Lot’s of men and women can figure out how to put a slug in a rifle even hold it steady and aim and fire at another living human being, but if we don’t have at least some men and women who have some really good ideas and answers to offer a very upset world over what is essentially us as a nation collectively defaulting on every monetary agreement and contract and debt that’s outstanding, we are going to have to be picking up bullets a very long time, because I don’t think the people coming at us will stop coming at us for a very long time, until we are all dead and they have everything we once owned, or they are all dead because we wouldn’t let them take it, or until someone can figure out a way to manage a divorce from the Federal Reserve and the Banksters understanding that yes they might have lost their base of operations here in the U.S., but they still own just about all of the remaining world lock stock and barrel.

Seriously my friend, any thoughts on how we are going to overcome that obstacle, because we really do have a huge problem on our hands if we do want to survive as free human beings.



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 11:56 PM
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You have to know that the government KNOWS that there will be repercussions. So they will have contingency plans, most likely along the lines of internment camps for the "disenfranchised" that don't agree with the government.
ie ACORN records via the census. . .

With that being said, how will the first shot be fired?
Anyone? Any ideas?



posted on Jun, 29 2009 @ 12:04 AM
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As far as I'm concerned, Obama is nothing. An empty suit, a pathetically dwindled figure trying to cope with multiple crises beyond his power to solve or even influence. The govt is run by Goldman Sachs and their alumni in the Fed. Behind them lie even shadier players.

The last president to articulate the danger we were falling into was Eisenhauer with his famous "military-industrial complex" fairwell speech. Kennedy and Nixon both tried, in different ways, to subvert the deeper, uglier aspects of real power politics. Both were destroyed for the meddling, one literally and the other politically. Nixon was the last president ever to exiercise a modicum of true power. Ever since, presidential power has lessened with each puppet in the white house being more pathetically beholden to TPTB than the one before him. Our current "leader" is a freaking sock-puppet, nothing more.

[edit on 6/29/09 by silent thunder]



posted on Jun, 29 2009 @ 12:09 AM
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Originally posted by ZindoDoone
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You do know that every state has at least one armory that has LOTS of ammo and anyone who has been in the military knows how to gather it on the battle field as you go. Our soldiers that are now not under oath and will be the backbone of the citizens of what ever happens have been trained in the best tactics of every type of unconventional warfare that has ever been used against us or others. People forget there are nearly 6 million+ ex- military in our populace.


I think a few points will make your statement, not only true, but already realized by the current administration; and they've already planned accordingly:

Point #1: Obama requested the Naval Academy not have swords present, for the graduation that he was invited to speak. He's the VISITOR, yet he makes concessions? Seriously now, was he really that scared that someone (a new graduate - mind you) could use it as a weapon against him? I mean, come on! (BTW, the swords are kind of like a 'right of passage', as they are given to the graduates upon graduation. It's tradition, it's a symbol of major hard work they've accomplished and the hard work yet, still ahead) No matter, he's just scared of a coup (IMO).

Point#2: The labeling of veterans, as possible terrorists. This, IMO, is just like the above point, he's scared of our military. This wasn't an 'overlook', it's very strategic and it's so law can be in the books, for the rounding up of (what would potentially be our protection) the defenders of our nation's flag and our constitution.

Point#3: The fema camps. These are for our soldiers, uh hm, er I mean 'Veteran Terrorists'.

Think about it, some of the most loyal U.S. people, and make up the largest network are the United States Veterans. No mater Democrat or Republican, they will come together to fight for the United States of America. They will die to protect her and her citizens and to lay stake to the land they've been conditioned to protect.

They'll be rounded up, quietly. The others will be already be in Afghanistan to be ambushed.




edit to note that there are more that are not happy with the situation than there are happy with how the government treats them!



Obama's education and election were financed by the same people who financed moveon.org and many other smear organizations.

Moveon.org is very heavily involved in black mail and the current House and Senate. It's no accident, how the dems won control of both sides of congress. Many of their campaigns were also funded by the very same people.

The Dems who may actually have a spine, or may see the reality of what's ahead, are being severely blackmailed by the very people who help them get to where they are.

Take this and put it in the back of your mind, but please remember it and reference it when you're next asking "why" on a scandal, a black-sheep Democrat, or an unpopular bill being rushed through. Many hands are in the pot and many hands are where they are because of the dirt they bring to the table. With no dirt, is no blackmail. The dirtier the better!

I've said this before and someday a few of you will believe me. We had a coup. It was in November 2008. The cover-up isn't necessarily about his birth certificate or his nationality. The cover-up is who he works for.

Keep an eye on Iran, the outcome will play a big role here. I promise. You'll see.



posted on Jun, 29 2009 @ 12:16 AM
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What's really scary, (scarier) is that, 2 months ago, this thread would have been laughed off the site. But now that Obama doesn't care who sees or who knows what he is doing, it is arrogance at it's highest point.



posted on Jun, 29 2009 @ 12:24 AM
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Who's going to do the rounding up? Most ex-military will be tipped off if anything really fishy starts going down. They still have contacts. Then there is also the fact that there are ex-military that could take out a swat team by themselves.

One thing to also remember is that nothing ever goes according to plan.

I do agree that we have been victims of a coup, but with every stunt Obama pulls it just turns more people against them.



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