Originally posted by gormly
Skeptics don't go around "debunking" just for the hell of it (at least not us decent folk)
Decent folkes maybe not but ATS has a horde of those who just debunk everything someone says without ever reading it. When they are shown worng they
scurry back under the rock I have a perfect example The McMoon missing LO tapes thread found in McDonalds. You should read the skeptic attack... even
thought it was a true story backed by NASA
Besides looking at your Avatar tells me you have already made up your mind
we want the advanced technologies, the help they can give us. Third hard accounts are not proof, shaky grainy images and videos are not proof.
Eyewitnesses are not proof.
Well I have never seen you post in any of my threads that have document about this very tech like the space based lasers and the 'looking glass'
project from LANL so it seems you have selective tastes
A actual UFO landing (anywhere) would be "proof". A blog post, online story or ancedote about a UFO landing (anywhere) would NOT be "proof".
Contrary to the rhetoric, WE WANT TO BELIEVE, else we'd spend out time debunking other unproven stuff.
Well I am inclined to believe you are sincere in your WANT TO BELIEVE... but myself I NEED TO KNOW so does it not seem logical that to find the
truth, rather han wasting time debunking old stuff that has a myriad of thread already and rehashed endlessly in here, that you would rather want to
spend time actually LOOKING for information?
Take this thread... a new kid comes to town... posts a whole buch of stuff that we already know about than with a touch of arrogance tells us if we
don't know these terms go google it
Then when told his main link does not takes us to the paper he says "You may need Adobe
No I need a working link
yet look at the stars
I have nothing against a newbie coming on strong... but why debunk it all over? Why not use your time to constructively search for answers, like pick
up the phone and talk to Edgar Mitchell?
The problem is that there is so much BS out there that we are disappointed over and over.
I agree maybe 80% or more is BS but then if you look at it you will see that some threads have a life BECAUSE all the debunkers rush in and post their
"its only rocks' or "Its paredolia' etc comments which leads in most cases to a long drawn out thread of back and forth comments between debunkers
and believers... and the thread live propagating the BS
If instead people would just look say Oh this is BS and walk away, if the thread has no merit it will fade away
But then when someone posts a serious thread with full backup like my Fossils on Mars thread or several of the real tech threads like the Shiva Nova
laser what happens?
Well it can't be debunked because I have links to the actual site so the thread dies and vanishes While the info is great, since there aare no
debunker/believer wars it fades into obscurity
My opinion of a good skeptic? ArMaP, JRA, Phage... these people and a few others work hard to prove their case... not just hide behind the "your
making the claim so its on you to prove it" line
Every week there is a new user posting rehashed stuff saying "SEE? Here is all you need to know" and then "challenging" us to prove them
So walk away OR if you want to help them take a minute, hit search and and say "Here is a list of threads we already have on this"
I was new once too... Came in like gangbusters with enthusiasm... fortunately I never lost it, though I imagine a few wish I had
I have seen this skeptic/ believer confrontation get people banned... good contributors, good friends now gone because of these disputes. The latest
is Mike Singh because he started a thread that was unpopular. I hope he returns
At this rate ATS will be nothing but skeptics vs new kids on the block and how does that help anyone? Isn't this THE place to discuss this? Show a
newbie the way, but what happens here? The hoards swarm these new posts and attack... wih the result people are afraid to post and just lurk
So you can move your cynicism about skeptics and debunkers to where it belongs.. with your fellow believers who post garbage day after day and offer
nothing to the party.
I agree unmoving debunkers and blind believers belong in the same boat...
Just try and convince someone who is sure ALL UFO's are Alien space
craft that they might be Plasma Life Forms and watch what happens
I posted a beam weapon theory in the Crop Circle threads and was attacked for being either a collaborator or a dis info agent...