'Gayby boom': Children of gay couples speak out, page 3

reply to post by peacejet

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Again wrong. because you still have to tell me why a mother can't advize, or why a father can't love.


You have to tell me. I'm a man, how is it possible to not love?


And if these values are so warped, where's the collapse of civilization? Oh right, that's happening in nations based on "morals" and "family matters" You know, nations like Honduras, nations like Iran. Nations based on cold hard morals.

BIG success there.

[edit on 28-6-2009 by Gorman91]

reply to post by Staringintoinfinity

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Why is mankind bound to natural law?

reply to post by Gorman91

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Its natural. Children are born to a mother and father. And both serve equal roles in the growth of the child. The absence of a mother can never be compensated by another father.

reply to post by peacejet

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Trust me, though they say they love you and your partner. Deep in the heart, they will be sad that they dont have a mother. Your 18 old daughter will not know about family life without the guidance of her mother. And your 13 and 9 year old son will be sad deep at heart when they see other kids coming to school with their mother and not them. Children can be affected a lot emotionally.

Well PJ, alright, I told you I would explain to you in great detail, so I will.

First of all, they are not sad they do not have a mother, that is simply not true, and someone of your age, does not have the experience or the understanding of family life to make such a vague point.

Secondly, My daughter does know what family is because she was raised in a loving and nurturing environment. She had a mother, she had two, and she had two fathers. Me and my partner took on those roles. We provided the exact things that you state are necessary. Just because we are men does not mean we aren't capable of adapting to the situation.

We are sensitive human beings, more so than your average "Macho Man". We show love like any other couple would. They do not know what it is to have a mother, so they cannot miss it. And there is nothing to miss, since we provide all of the things that a mother would for a child, love, compassion advise, the whole thing.

And by young children aren't sad when they see kids with their mothers, because they know that they have two dads who love them more than anything in the world, that's something you can never take away, and is something far more powerful than the static mother/father roles we see in traditional families.

These standards you have for these things are there because you live in a society where these kinds of things are frowned upon. You are only 18 PJ, how many kids have you raised?

How many kids have you seen grow up without parents?

PJ if you wanna go down to the base biological/evolutionary ideal scenario, than yes, all children should have a mother and a father. However, IDEAL does not translate to necessary.

It does not mean that we don't do just as good of a job as a mother would with her kids, than what I do with mine.

Another thing, is my children are surrounded by females all the time. I have a very large family, 6 sisters, and my husband has 4. They are always around the children, talking to them, giving advice to them and spending quality time with them.

So you see, you do not NEED a mother for children to grow up properly, my children are at the top of all their classes, they are active in the community, they are all musicians, they are everything you would expect a healthy child to be, in mind, body and soul.

The reason is because all you need to have good children, to raise them properly, is a LOVING home, that NUTURES their interests and shows them how to treat other people with respect, how to treat themselves with respect and how to love one another.

That's it, it's an easy mix of things. I can't control what happens when they leave my door in the morning, and yes their environment outside of my home will shape them in some way.

But you are wrong about my children, and you are wrong about what is required to raise children properly. You will understand once you have children, and once you are old enough to travel and visit other societies, or when your's becomes accepting of homosexuals.

~Keeper







[edit on 6/28/2009 by tothetenthpower]

reply to post by Staringintoinfinity

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What we have here, ladies and gentlemen, is yet another example of a Strawman! And no one is putting in your face. You chose to come to this thread and post.

What seems apparent is that you are a homophobe:

ho·mo·pho·bia- noun

: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals.

dictionary.com

reply to post by peacejet

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Extermination of those with weaker genes is also "natural". Leading a people with one centralized, unquestionable leader is also natural. It's natural for a virus to kill off millions. But we do not do it. We are not bound to what is natural.

Also, no. Because there's plenty of women who act like strong male influences and plenty of men who act like strong female influences.

You have to tell me, explain to me, why a dad cannot love and why a mother cannot advise?

reply to post by Staringintoinfinity

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How does having gays or straits as parents affect who you are or who you'll love?

I've been attracted to girls since before it was considered cool. And yet one of my early friends was always close to me. I met him again over Facebook some time ago. Turns out he was gay. he was close because he's genes told him to be closer to males. I like girls because my genes told me to be.

Sure, I'm affected in that a guy I didn't know was gay was attracted to me. But why do I care? Great for him, he's got a boyfriend now. I don't because I'm not gay.

Point is we both were innocent and did not realize what was good or bad. He's doing perfectly well, I'm doing perfectly well. Both our parents were normal straight couples. I'm strait, he's gay. Similar starting points, different end points.

So how is he affected any differently?. He had gender confusion as a 6 year old with straight parents! Did his parents influence him to be gay? no. He didn't know what gay meant and because gay was an insult, he was confused.

By making gay look abnormal, you created a gender confused kid. Oh irony.

[edit on 28-6-2009 by Gorman91]

reply to post by Staringintoinfinity

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And you used a Strawman argument to do this, and I used the term homophobic due to your tone and the words you chose to use. You have no basis for your position other than speculation. If your argument held any water whatsoever, then single parents would lose custody of their children, as they lack the other gendered parent. I don't see one of you endorsing that position, so it's only gay people who this standard applies to.

reply to post by JaxonRoberts

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When did I ever say that a homosexual couple couldn't raise a child without the child being influenced by the choices of his parents? So why are you insinuating that?

What I said was that he's using this sole example to further his own agenda, not that it couldn't be done. I'm sorry if that's the way you interpreted my post.

All species on earth being able reproduce themselves is a just my crazy speculation.

[edit on 28-6-2009 by Staringintoinfinity]

[edit on 28-6-2009 by Staringintoinfinity]

reply to post by Staringintoinfinity

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I just reread your post, and you are correct, you did not imply that homosexuals could not raise a child (I think, your wording was confusing). You did imply, however, that homosexuality is not OK, thus that it must be wrong.

And since has when has the ability to reproduce been the basis on whether or not a couple can be good parents. There are plenty of heterosexual couples who are sterile and make great parents. There are also plenty of heterosexual couples who make horrible parents!

[edit on 28-6-2009 by JaxonRoberts]

reply to post by Staringintoinfinity

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Science, produced by the evolution of our brain, has permitted gays to have biological kids.

What now?

reply to post by heyo

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Well, this was during the Nixon Administration, and times were very different then. Everybody hated 'the man', and my Dad represented 'the man'. I don't see any correlation between that and a father who is a nurse. Apples and oranges, my friend.

reply to post by Staringintoinfinity

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I think that the fact that it can be found in multiple species proves your point is incorrect. Not only can you find it in seagulls, but they mate for life. Unnatural means that it does not occur in nature, and it has clearly been documented that indeed it does.

The OP has nothing to do with homosexuality being acceptable or not. It revolves soley around the issue of whether or not being raised by homosexuals is harmful to the child or children being raised by them.

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