Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife

It wasn't a coup, the president was arrested and exiled because he broke the law. ...Zelaya broke the law, and was dealt with accordingly.

Are the facts are as you say? or was Zelaya acting
within the law in attempting to take an issue to people?

He maybe a "puppet" of Chavez, but isn't that for the
people to determine for themselves?

Who exactly is in violation of the Constitution? Is it within
the law for the military to force the President into exile?

No, it is not. Perhaps both actions were a violation of
the Constitution, but one was democracy, one was not.

You said "...the president was arrested and exiled because
he broke the law..." It would actually be more correct to say
that the military broke the law (forcing the president into
exile) because they feared the outcome if people would
be given a voice.

"Zelaya broke the law, and was dealt with accordingly."

Maybe according to "the law" of the jungle, but not according
to the Law of the Land as defined by the Constitution. If you
favor the law of the jungle, then I guess your okay want the
revolution that will surely follow.

Regarding the definition of coup d'etat, here are the first
two that pulled-up in a quick search:

A) "a sudden and decisive change of government illegally or by force"

or

B) "the sudden, unconstitutional deposition of a legitimate government, by a small group of usurpers."

Both would describe the action in Honduras.

This was a sudden change by force and it could very
well be illegal. If our President was removed from
office by the military it certainly would be illegal.
I think there is good reason to think this action
in Honduras was just a illegal. If not, then why
did they create a fake resignation letter?







[edit on 29-6-2009 by wasaka]

obama is not naive, he knows exactly what he is doing. with all this talk about returning iran and honduras to constitutional law, our own president is taking us farther and farther away from the constitution of the US.

when are other world leaders going to ask for, even demand, that the US government return to constitutional law? it's a farce for this goverment to talk to anybody else about rogue activity.

we had an election but it didn't bring about the will of the people because honest candidates weren't offered. not much different than the iran situation where the guardian council chose the candidates.

our country is financially unstable and our government no longer represents the will of the people. time for other countries to start calling for a return to lawlful government int the us. how different are we really than honduras?

Originally posted by wutone

Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
If the Honduras military is protecting the Honduras Constitution that's AWESOME! That's their job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And hopefully our U.S. Military shows some of the pride and honor that the Honduran military have for their country and start protecting our Constitution.

There have been a few threads on ATS in the last week or so bragging about how the US military is there to protect the US constitution. Where are those posters now

The enemies of the US citizens that are passing laws undercover are the same evil doers that control Britain, Israel, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, US, South America, Mexico and most of Europe.
IRAN, VENEZUELA and NORTH KOREA want nothing to do with the NEW WORLD ORDER..Now I will admit that Ping Pong from North Korea has to go..BUT that is for the North Koreans to do themselves.
So why are we hating on them??? Why do you think SHTF everywhere???
Because they can't control the world when some countries want no part of their club!!
So these evil doers start trouble..GOD help us when these psychopaths get control of the planet.

[edit on 29-6-2009 by Wideawake08]

Originally posted by wasaka
......................
Both would describe the action in Honduras.

This was a sudden change by force and it could very
well be illegal. If our President was removed from
office by the military it certainly would be illegal.
I think there is good reason to think this action
in Honduras was just a illegal. If not, then why
did they create a fake resignation letter?

It is not, people like you need to read and understand the Constitution. If a government becomes dictatorial and tries to supplant the Constitution, that government can be forced out. It is in the Constitution.

The Courts in Honduras deemed the actions of the Marxist president as UnConstitutional, hence he had to be removed before he obtained more power...

Learn your history and learn your Constitution because you have shown to be ignorant of it.

In Honduras it is the same thing....

BTW, in case you haven't figured it out yet, the Obama administration has been implementing dictatorial SOCIALIST laws, and now it is saying they will only back the Marxist EX-president of Honduras....



[edit on 29-6-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

I can guarantee that this did not happen without the sate departments and the President's approval,otherwise why would the Honduran military and congress even try this if they did not have the US governments support?

[edit on 043030p://3426 by mike dangerously]

Originally posted by earlywatcher
obama is not naive, he knows exactly what he is doing. with all this talk about returning iran and honduras to constitutional law, our own president is taking us farther and farther away from the constitution of the US.

when are other world leaders going to ask for, even demand, that the US government return to constitutional law? it's a farce for this goverment to talk to anybody else about rogue activity.

we had an election but it didn't bring about the will of the people because honest candidates weren't offered. not much different than the iran situation where the guardian council chose the candidates.

our country is financially unstable and our government no longer represents the will of the people. time for other countries to start calling for a return to lawlful government int the us. how different are we really than honduras?

People, take heed, the same thing that is occurring in Honduras and Iran is not that much different to what is happening in our country today. Czars being appointed without congressional approval or oversight (not that they would do a good job in policing the czars), congress voting and approving bills that have not been read or fully understood, just to mention a few of the strange things happening. The repercussions of many of these things may not be able to be "undone". Use your voice as a citizen of this country and let your congressman and senators that enough is enough.

This is all very interesting. Removing him from office for trying to overturn the constitution? Definitely worth watching. Sends a message, doesn't it? No wonder the Western and south American leaders are so worried. Especially those in Washington.

And Chavez is threatening military action? Talk about a hypocrite. It isn't his damned country, he shopuld stay the hell out. isn't that what everyone tells the U.S.: mind thine own biz?

Great advice. Chavez should take it.

Yay! Obama's first 'coup'.... not as useless as he looks obviously.

Originally posted by Karlhungis
I just wanted to point out that if our government was really sincere with their "concern" about the situation in Iran, surely they will be concerned about this as well right? Shouldn't they be trying to intervene here and pass some sensational legislation to feign, I mean show their support?

that is why of course were in iraq still right? to lend a "helping" hand
ha!

We're lucky to live in a country where the military has a long tradition of respecting the rule of law and the chain of command.

IMO the Honduran military seems to have done the wrong thing for arguably good reasons.

Honduras was a military dictatorship until 1982, nobody wants the Honduran Republic to fall apart.

Originally posted by xmotex
We're lucky to live in a country where the military has a long tradition of respecting the rule of law and the chain of command.

IMO the Honduran military seems to have done the wrong thing for arguably good reasons.

Honduras was a military dictatorship until 1982, nobody wants the Honduran Republic to fall apart.

Really? and how about the Honduran president respecting the Honduran Constitution, instead of trying to rewrite it?...

Chavez did it, alongside his Chavistas. Millions of Venezuelans protested and nothing happened. Chavez just set his dogs upon the people by implementing the Avila plan.

IMO the Honduran courts, alongside most of the government, and military did the right thing. They are upholding and defending their Constitution, instead of allowing another Marxist to change the country and transform it into another Socialist dictatorship....

The United States has brought military to train here and offered support/hardware, so maybe the next logical step would be to offer the same schooling, support, services for those in government/public service, to learn how to govern and run a democratic gov. (Socialism is an economic system, not a system of government.) Maybe that's why the president was unceremoniously dumped in Costa Rica, to literally learn a lesson.

Maybe such lessons would go further to help overcome the legacy of white, European family rule, where the leaders line their pockets with the nation's wealth with help from the military. Of course, sometimes the military stepped in to perform the function of ruling.

I confess I have not paid attention to this area for awhile, outside of sweatshops and pesticides. I can remember when the National Guard used to spend their weeks down there, building hospitals and runways, ostensibly for the people. Turned out those runways came in handy for the low intensity conflicts the US engaged in in Nicaragua and El Salvador.

Why do people keep calling this a coup?

If this had been a real coup, the civilian government would have been dissolved and a military junta would have came to power.

examples of real military coups:

Argentina 1943, 1955, 1966, 1976
Venezuela 1948, 1958
Egypt 1952
Guatemala 1954
Colombia 1957
Iraq 1958
Pakistan 1958, 1970, 1977, 1999,
France (yes that's France)1958
Turkey 1960, 1980,
South Korea 1961, 1979
Dominican Republic 1962
Burma 1962, 1988
South Vietnam 1964
Algeria 1965
Greece 1967, 1973
Panama 1968
Peru 1968
Libya 1969
Brazil 1969
Syria 1970
Uganda 1971, 1985
Chile 1973
Portugal 1973
Cyprus 1974
Ethiopia 1974
Nigeria 1975, 1983, 1985,
Bolivia 1980
Poland 1981
Haiti 1991
Thailand 1991, 2006,
Georgia 1991

In each one of these cases, military leaders take power or put someone in power and they do it without direction from any branch of government.

In Honduras the military did not take power and it acted at the behest of the other branches of government. It wasn't a coup of any kind, CIA or otherwise.

It was the military doing its job.



[edit on 1/7/09 by MikeboydUS]