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Troops Arrest Honduran President

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posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 03:51 PM
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How's it going ats. I'm a Honduran. I work at the embassy of an asian country in the capital of Honduras, Tegucigalpa.

I'm a political and economic analyst at the embassy, so I've been following the news very closely.

First off I want to say that there are tons of educated Hondurans who are very pissed off at the way the International Media has portrayed this. We are most upset about the use of the word 'Coup'. It has been really important for Hondurans interested in this matter that this Chavez puppet be confronted by legal mechanisms.

He had already said like a week ago that he was not going to heed the Supreme Court and the Attorney General's mandate to call off the 'opinion poll' this thing was not even a referendum people. The ballots arrived full from venezuela.

So he broke the law in the sense of Supreme Court mandates and Attorney General's rulings.

Today, less than 20 minutes ago, Congress decreed that he be separated from his post, fired, whatever you want and named the Head of Congress interim President of Honduras for the remaining 6 months of this Government term. They also required most of his ministers to present their resignations or to be also separated.

That being said, I've been a lurker for quite some time, posting sporadically here and there. But I was really disturbed with how the media was covering this and how the International Community was reacting.
Most disturbing of all is the US Ambassador's statement, Hugo Llorens, about President Zelaya's administration being the only constitutional government that the US would recognize.

It threw me off for several reasons:

1) Why is the US supporting what is ultimately a puppet from Chavez?
2) There have been loads of reported plane crashes carrying shipments of cash, mostly drug money, to finance the President's campaign pn something that had been declared illegal almost a month ago.
3) Throughout that entire time, the US Ambassador basically said nothing...morsels here and there about how it must be solved through peaceful democratic dialog etc. Nothing substantial, until today.


I have no theories yet, this is still developing very fast and I'm stuck at the office working on a Sunday for some Asians who are scrambling to prepare official internal communiques to their Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

I'll check back on this thread later.
Thanks for reading.




posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 03:59 PM
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I only know about the situation in this thread, but from what I can deduct from logic it seems like the ex-president that was just exiled was trying to pull a Chavez.

I feel that the military was right in what they did, the president clearly broke the law and was dealt with accordingly. If anybody was trying to conduct a coup it was Chavez and the ex-pres that was just outed.



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 04:19 PM
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So lets see… first the West interferes in the Iranian election and leaves some Brit diplomats behind to hopefully get arrested and so form an excuse to attack. (If Iran is smart they’ll question them and send them on their way) Then there’s a coup in Honduras that would seriously tempt Chavez to get involved. All the while three famous Americans die young so as to keep the MSM, and so the sheeple, occupied. Is something building here, or are we witnessing a failed attempt a provoking conflict?



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 04:22 PM
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Is something building here, or are we witnessing a failed attempt a provoking conflict?


I believe we are witnessing a failed attempt at provoking a conflict. Except the conflict in Honduras was started by Chavez.

I still don't know what to think about Iran, because the people there have wanted more freedom for awhile now.

Obama and friends supported the Marxist that was just outed and exiled in Honduras.



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 04:27 PM
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We need to be supporting the rule of law in Honduras.

What happened was legal and constitutional.

If we don't support the rule of law there, we are not going to support the rule of law here.

If we do not support the rule of law in the United States, then the United States has failed.



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife
reply to post by resistor
 



Is something building here, or are we witnessing a failed attempt a provoking conflict?


I believe we are witnessing a failed attempt at provoking a conflict. Except the conflict in Honduras was started by Chavez.


Perhaps so, with Chavez trying to take advantage of the USA being preoccupied with events in Iran, etc? But if Obama supports the Honduras Marxist, then surely they support his ally Chavez also? Maybe the USA actually had nothing to do with this one for a change.



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 04:36 PM
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Hi,
thank you for your insight into the situation


As far as the US goes, we are dammed if we do and were dammed if we dont.
If we publicly supported the removal we would be accused of orchestrating it.

I really dont know enough about current honduran politics to comment on it other than I hope you get it all settled in an orderly and peaceful way.



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 04:44 PM
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The US Constitution is absolutely being destroyed by the Fascist Obama right now as well. My bet is that he will not give up the office either when that time comes.



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 04:49 PM
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This is a litmus test.

People need to follow this story real close.

If we side with the exiled president against the constitutional Honduran government, it will be clear that the era of "the rule of law" will be numbered in the United States and the failure of this country as a constitutional republic will follow.

This is huge and people need to pay close attention to this.

If people want to know where we are going, look no further than the reaction to this.



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 04:57 PM
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No, not at all. With Obama trying to get into bed with Chavez and Castro this isn't going to bode well for him politically, his true colors are showing.

Earlier in the thread some news outlet reported that the exiled prez thanked Obama from not giving the go ahead for the coup. What ever that is supposed to mean. Turns out the sane people in the world are turning on Obama, Obama is only going to have support of the crazies.



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 05:10 PM
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The difference between down there and the US, is that the US Army would have to take not just the President and his cabinet, but Congress and the Supreme Court.

The President and Congress are together implicit in violating the US Constitution, and the Supreme Court by not taking a stand and saying "hell no!" is complicit.

"First who the gods would destroy, they make mad."

I'll be Chavez is uncomfortable with this. It happens to him again, and he's one dead SOB.



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 05:56 PM
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So he broke the law in the sense of Supreme Court mandates and Attorney General's rulings.


My sister is a Honduran (by marriage) and she along with many others living on Roatan are also pretty angry about how the media is making this look. You're correct, what the president did was illegal and he shouldn't get away with it, but things are different in America they don't hold their government accontable, they don't understand why you do.

In Honduras the military is proud of their constitution and will fight to protect it even if the fight goes to the highest levels of government. This is obviously not the case in the US, but if you people are willing to fight to protect your constitution Americans should respect that.

Good luck to you all!

Star and flag for the Op.



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 06:07 PM
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Thanks for this info guys. Anyone have more background information on this subject though instead of just bits and pieces? What exactly happened?

I want to Wiki it but fear I'll end up with some bias information. Thanks.

If the Honduras military is protecting the Honduras Constitution that's AWESOME! That's their job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 06:35 PM
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I think most members can see it is hypocritical for the US government to support the protests in Iran, but then not support the coup in Honduras. They are essentially saying they want Iran to practice democracy, but Honduras should practice dictatorship?

Obviously, in both cases, Obama and the government are working towards personal interests, and could care less about anything else.

What those personal interests are is hard to determine sometimes.

Chavez and Obama have an off again, on again relationship. Mostly with Chavez hating Obama, then wanting to be his friend.

Obama knows he needs to be in Chavez' good book, because Venezuela has a significant oil industry that the USA wants in on. And because Chavez wants Zelaya in power, for his own interests, Obama will too.

I'm pretty sure Obama's moves to ease Cuba travel restrictions has a large part to do with Chavez as well.

Just like everything the US does, it is either about oil, weapons, or drugs.

[edit on 28-6-2009 by Nickmare]



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by desert
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Interesting that the US was said to call off the coup. What would be in the "interest" of the US to once again involve themselves in Central American govt? Would another right wing govt BE in their interest at the moment, as it certainly had been in the past...yeah, right, to keep Communist hoards from massing at the border hahaha? A dictator was also useful to keep the country good for corporations and line pockets of the powerful with bribes and corruption dollars; more power for corporations and less power for the citizens. Keep the citizens in check.
...............


Riiight, and people like you have nothing to say to the fact that Chavez is saying he will use force to put the Socialist/Communist president back?...

Chavez IS a COMMUNIST, there are attempsts to convert every nation into Socialism/Communism...

Ah, but when coups happen done by the people, but who are not backing the Socialist/Communist ideals the Liberals think this is only to put corporations in power....


Of course the SOCIALIST government of Spain want the old president back in Honduras.... Hypocrisy at it's worse...

If the U.S. government was saying what Chavez is saying trying to put a Capitalist President in power, the whole LEFT/Liberals of the world would be calling it a crime, and injustice... Hypocrites....

I hope the same happens in the U.S. It is time for the REPUBLIC to get back to what the forefathers of this nation agreed on making it, instead of having Socialists/Communists change the Republic as they see fit...




[edit on 28-6-2009 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 08:16 PM
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Originally posted by resistor

Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife

Is something building here, or are we witnessing a failed attempt a provoking conflict?


I believe we are witnessing a failed attempt at provoking a conflict. Except the conflict in Honduras was started by Chavez.


Perhaps so, with Chavez trying to take advantage of the USA being preoccupied with events in Iran, etc? But if Obama supports the Honduras Marxist, then surely they support his ally Chavez also? Maybe the USA actually had nothing to do with this one for a change.



I am begining to suspect our President doesn't know
what the CIA is doing...


President Barack Obama was forced to address accusations that the CIA was involved in fomenting the post-election riots in Iran during his White House press conference yesterday, claiming the allegations were “patently false,” despite the fact that the U.S. government publicly gave the CIA approval to undertake a destabilization campaign in Iran more than two years ago....Obama’s claim that CIA involvement is “patently false” is clearly contradicted by the facts. The only thing that’s “patently false” is Obama’s statement itself.


A friend at work said he thinks Obama is naive.
I told him, the people who voted for him were naive,
but it would be naive of us to think him naive. But I
can't stop thinking he might be right, may Obama
really is in the dark (unaware of the CIA covert opts).

I know, it is hard to believe and would be the first one
to say so, but let's not forget the Bay of Pigs---that was
a rogue CIA operation that was keep secret from JFK
until after the fact... maybe the CIA has gone rogue
again, this time disregarding the direction of Obama.
and following their own agenda in Iran, Honduras,
and who know where else.

On June 4th, President Obama gave a speech in Cairo
where he acknowledged and apologized for the United
States’ role in the 1953 CIA/British backed overthrow
of the democratically elected Iranian government. Now,
only a few weeks later, he denies the CIA is doing it again?
Is anyone buying this? Who believes Obama is this naive?
No me. It seem more likely, he fighting an internal battle
with the 'old guard' within the CIA and threating to expose
their secrets. Am I the only one who suspect this?

One of two things is true, either our President has less idea
what the CIA is doing than we do, or he is a blond-face lier.
Maybe both things are true.

First, we know the CIA is involved in the current crisis in Iran,
and we know Obama knows this... or does he? Second, we
have the case of Honduras where the White House made some
important phone calls in an attempt to stop the coup (as Zelaya
told Spain's El Pais) and yet the coup happens anyway.

It makes me wonder if the CIA is just blowing off Obama
and moving forward with their own agenda.



The CIA, Butcher Of Beirut, & Obama’s “Patently False” Lie. (reclaim.org)


[edit on 28-6-2009 by wasaka]



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by HiranMaya
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It threw me off for several reasons:

1) Why is the US supporting what is ultimately a puppet from Chavez?
2) There have been loads of reported plane crashes carrying shipments of cash, mostly drug money, to finance the President's campaign pn something that had been declared illegal almost a month ago.
3) Throughout that entire time, the US Ambassador basically said nothing...morsels here and there about how it must be solved through peaceful democratic dialog etc. Nothing substantial, until today.


The current U.S. government is SOCIALIST if not worse, that is why they are backing Chavez's puppet.

The U.S. is being turned into a Socialist dictatorship by the traitors who are in power right now.

We will probably see the same thing that Chavez did, and what your EX-president wanted to do.

Obama and his administration will probably try to continue to stay in power for the next term, and then might even do a "Chavez" and change the terms to how long a president can be in power.

The Obama administration is following Chavez's footsteps but slower than Chavez did, which is why the U.S. government is stating they will only accept the DICTATORIAL SOCIALIST president that was fired in Honduras...



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 08:28 PM
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First, we know the CIA is involved in the current crisis in Iran,
and we know Obama knows this... or does he? Second, we
have the case of Honduras where the White House made some
important phone calls in an attempt to stop the coup (as Zelaya
told Spain's El Pais) and yet the coup happens anyway.


It wasn't a coup, the president was arrested and exiled because he broke the law. Zelaya, is a Chavez puppet, who just like Chavez, likes to blame the US for everything.

The fact is Zelaya broke the law, and was dealt with accordingly.



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
If the Honduras military is protecting the Honduras Constitution that's AWESOME! That's their job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And hopefully our U.S. Military shows some of the pride and honor that the Honduran military have for their country and start protecting our Constitution.

As I said earlier, it is no surprise that Obama, Chavez, and other socialist politicians are worried about this action. I hope this action that the Honduran military has undertaken is going to be a trend in other countries.



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife

Unfortunately, term limits for a president is one of those things that has to stay in place no matter what the people want.


Yes, as Marx said, "Democracy is the road to socialism."
And changing 'term limits' was a very effective way for
Chavez to bring socialism to Venezuela. The people
of Honduras know this very well, and those in power
are determined not to let it happen in their country.

Obama talks about Rule of Law, what does that mean?

The Rule of Law = The Constitution

If Obama says Honduras should up-hold the "rule of law"
then he is saying the Constitution should be followed. If
the Constitution allows term limits to be changed, that
would be one thing, but in this case both the Supreme
Court and the Congress ruled the referendum illegal.

That means they legally determined that changing the
term limits (as was done in Venezuelan) would be a
violation of Republica de Honduras Constitution.

I think that should settle the legal question, but now
consider the moral question. Official population figures
for 1996, reveal that Honduras is comprised of the
following ethnic fractions:

Mestizos - (mixed Indian and European) 90%

Indians - 7%

Blacks - 2%

Whites - 1%

Nearly all of the top Honduras officials are drawn from
the "white" 1% of the population. Such exceptions as
do infrequently occur, tend to be limited to Mestizos
who are well-placed in the military establishment.

That Honduras holds elections must be seen as more of
a public relations gesture than a defining element in
determining the type of government it has. In recent
years, however, the ruling clique has turned the election
process into an important tool for the protection of active
elected officials, as well as their family members and cronies.

Josef Stalin, arguably the most iron-fisted dictator in the
modern era, understood and appreciated the usefulness
of holding an election once in a while - even when there
was only one set of candidates on the ballot! Stalin called
elections "tranquilizers for the people." They still are.

In the case of Honduras, the election function has an
additional benefit in sustaining and strengthening the
corrupt political and economic status-quo.

Most Hondurans are unaware that the most notorious
criminals in Honduras can find immunity from the law
by just having their names placed on the ballot for an
upcoming election!

When a Honduras politician talks about "a nation of laws",
he's talking about laws for everybody except himself and
the rest of the politicians, all of whom are shielded from
legal liabilities of every kind, by virtue of being either
appointed officials, or candidates running for office.

A Honduras election is all sham, pretense, and elaborately
arranged window-trimming. Necessarily so, since the system
it represents is rotten to the core. It will take much more than
a quadrennial election charade to effect any lasting changes
in this poverty-stricken, socially abandoned, malnourished,
ill-educated and vastly exploited land.

Honduras is a serial-oligarchy.

It's "serial" because the reins of government regularly get
passed back and forth between the Nacionales and the
Liberales, (with an occasional "golpe" by the army, to keep
both of the "Red" and the "Blue" political parties reminded
of who is really in charge). It's an "oligarchy" because
Honduras meets the textbook definition of "Government
by a few, especially by a small faction of families."

A Honduras election is about power. Political control.
Illicit enrichment. Immunity for the privileged criminals
walking free among us. Perpetuation of private power
domains, at the cost of national stature and sovereign
honor. It's about the continuation of corrupt schemes
that enrich the political elite, while further impoverishing
the nation, itself, and the unfortunates that populate it.

Ask yourself, "Is America really so different?"



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