Tons of you -are- anti-semitic. Even if you don't feel like you are.

It's fine. But you know, people still draw swastikas on synagogues and things. And Jews still get threatened. So yes the Holocaust is over and as long as you're not saying it was a great thing, you're pretty much fine. But it's not okay to reinstate all the negativity about Judaism.

Jeeze. I don't like Christianity as a religion, I think it's a money-making cult. But when I say something bad about Christians I get in so much trouble and I get threatened myself. You say something bad about Jews and they're used to it so they leave it alone, even though they shouldn't, and some don't. But you say something bad about Christianity you get shot. I know to hold my tongue on my opinions of other races and religions. You all should know to do the same. Jews don't think they're better than everyone and they get more grief than almost any other religion. It makes no sense. It's like you all build up lies just to support your bullying. Whatever.

People don't go around saying "Wow slavery was a great thing, black people are *insert adjective here*" or "Wow black people should just get over slavery."

The whole perspective on Judaism from many members of this website is why I prefer to stick to cryptozoology as much as I can and just ignore half of you. Because if I don't I just get mad and call people out on it and insult them and then I get warned. It's only happened once or twice to me, and that's the only thing I've ever been warned for. I insulted an anti-semite to his face. But I'm really glad I did because after that he kept quiet for awhile.

If I drew picture of smiley faces combined with Jesus getting murdered everyone would be so upset and I'd be shot. But people get away with drawing all sorts of anti-Judaic symbols, even now, and no one really cares. And then people on websites like this spew hatred on a culture and on issues that they know NOTHING about.

If you haven't studied Jewish culture or Judaism as a religion, plus the facts about the Holocaust (from reliable sources and textbooks, not just some site on the internet), plus the History of the Jewish people, Zionism, and Israel, you really don't deserve a minute of my attention if you attempt to preach on any related issue. Many of you are ignoring what you learned in school (if you went to school, even though many of you probably think school is a lie from "the man") or are looking for excuses to hate a vulnerable group.

I could just sit here and say "The Vatican shouldn't be a country! They should give Vatican City back to the people who lived there before! They have no right to do this, it isn't their land, their religion has nothing to do with that land if you go back to the root of their beliefs!" But I DON'T. It's their beliefs, it's what they want. You can't endorse the Vatican and not endorse Israel, because you'd be a hypocrite.

People join this website just to post anti-semitic things. I don't know why. They'll join and a day later they preach about the evil Zionists and the "realities" of the Holocaust. The members who have been here longer, such as myself, tend to look down upon that. Or at least I do. It's a misuse of this website as a resource. And honestly I'm not giving any credibility to someone who does that anyway. If you want to do some real research and present it in a acceptable, appropriate, non-insulting manner... that's fine. But very few people actually do that. Real research takes time, not a quick Google search. That's why I don't listen. You see things the way that your opinions want you to see them.

Anti-semitism is a label. People here fit the description and don't want the label. It doesn't work that way. It might make you feel better but the people around you know what you are. It's fine, it's your identity. But this is a touchy subject for many Jews and Holocaust Survivors of every religion. I don't come here and insult your family's history and beliefs. Don't friggen do it to me.

You can come in here and say "I'm not trying to be insulting!" or "You're just too sensitive and whiny" but Jews and people who know the truth about things have HEARD it all before. We have. I have. It's on this website, there are hundreds of threads. Coming in and saying the same exact weak arguments are nothing new, they just make you look bad.

There are threads like this already. I get that people want points and flags and their little graphics filled. I've been here since 2006. I get annoyed when things like this happen because it distracts from the really important issues. You like conspiracy theories? Don't take part in this thread. If you want flags and points, do some real research on new issues or expand in old threads. But this is a tired and worn discussion and trolls will always be trolls. There's nothing we can do except recognize who those people are and treat them accordingly.

Good threads that deserve to be flagged are innovative. This isn't innovative. This is like third grade drama. Nothing is going to change, this is just clouding all previous discussion on the topic which, not surprisingly, was exactly the same as this discussion.

[edit on 6/28/2009 by ravenshadow13]

Not sure what's supposedly wrong with Anti-Semitism? It seems a very valid point of view for some issues. As far as holocaust denial being some bad ignorant thing, you might want to ask yourself why it is that "pro holocaust" people are the ones so desperately hopeful to believe millions of Jews died and seem to be completely incapable of a glimmer of hope that perhaps they didn't. Who loves the "Jew" more the people who desperately defend the mass murder of the Jews for their own apparent emotional needs or those who firmly believe such a mass killing of Jews was not done. Which, by the way, it good news!

According to Microsoft Encarta, "Today, about 85% of all Jews are Ashkenazim". The Ashkenazi are not descendants of Israel, Ashkenaz was the grandson of Japheth and brother of Togarmah. Arthur Koestler further explains why today's Jews call themselves Ashkenazi even though they are the Physical seed of Togarmah. He shows that the KHAZARS took on the name of Ashkenaz because it was prophesied in Jeremiah 51:27 that Ashkenaz and their allies would conquer Babylon.

After reading all the historical and biblical information about who are and who are not the true Israelites according to the flesh, should make us have an full understanding of Revelation 12:9. which states : And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent called the devil and Satan, which deceive the whole world.

The whole world is deceived not only about the right way to worship YHWH, but they are deceived about who are the true Israelites a people near and dear unto YHWH (psalms 148:14).

The Sephardim / Edomite / Eastern Jews are being oppressed big time by the Ashkenazi and because they have joined with the Ashkenazi and call themselves Jews, the surrounding Arab population despise them just as much as they do the Ashkenazi. So they have it coming both ways, but this is their punishment for helping to mistreat the Israelites.

In a book by a Ashkenazi Jew Jack Bernstein entitled 'LIFE OF AN AMERICAN JEW IN RACIST, MARXIST ISRAEL', he tells of his experience in Israel which was not a pleasant one, but he tells of how he married a Sephardim woman and the hatred and discrimination he received from the Ashkenazi population even though he himself is a Ashkenazi. But because he was married to a Sephardim he caught all kinds of hell, the Sephardim are second class citizens in Israel, for this reason Jack Bernstein calls Israel racist, because anybody who is not Ashkenazi is treated as second class citizens.

The Sephardim / Edomites came into the land and laid their hands on Israel possessions and pretended to be the Hebrews, but as Yah said, he would return their reward on their own head. So now the Ashkenazi has come in and move them over and they are pretending to be the true Hebrews and laid their hands on Edom possessions, but this is just the fulfillment of prophecy. I find it interesting that the Sephardim are looked at and called Niggers by the Ashkenazi.

This is the faith of the Jews.

And You say God don't play favourites, but here you are trying to get us to kneel to the Jews? Make up your mind please.

I think we owe the Israelis nothing same as Europe.They paid whatever dues they owed in WWII by helping us out in the Cold War.The Jews have their country now and it's up to them to stand on their two feet and work something out with the Arabs which will never happen because both sides see the others as heathens gotta love the way religion works to keep the military/industrial complex going.

Originally posted by breakingdradles

Your not special, your just like the rest of us

Exactly. And, united we stand. Divided we fall.

Hate will kill us all.

This thread was supposed to be about why is there so much hate on ATS. If it's being spread for the purposes I think it is:

The gov't wants to shut down alternative news sources. They can shut down 'hate speech' websites under current laws. So spreading hate speech is a detriment to the survival of ATS.

I have to ask the question are we actually hurting ATS' survival by allowing the hate threads to continue? Did this thread accomplish what it intended, and answer the question of why? Somewhat, though there seems to be a lot of bad information out there from some dubious sources.
Is anyone's mind going to be changed? Not likely.

"When you look into the abyss the abyss looks into you."

I think we need to let this thread die for the good of ATS.