okay awsome. well i will begin to tell you or those who care.. i was standing outside one night like aways and had this sudden feeling to ask a quistion to God. The why am i here kinda quistion. And mind you Im not the type to automatically think that some of the stories i hear are true. But i go with my gutt. Well the next day i diecided to mess around on youtube and ran across alex collier and dan burisch, and the wat he had explained certain things oh and also nassin haramein a physisist also explained diff theories all which made sense. well to get to the point cause i do tend to ramble is that i was asking for guidence from God and felt like i had and answer the next day. i do try my hardest to live mylife without hate and have recently felt this overwhelming urge to get my hands on knowledge from anyone who might teach me. because i do feel that there are definately certain unmistakeable coincidenses in life that cant be ignored. i feel as if im "running" into certain things to help me in my path in life right now. idk am i crazy?

I'm not saying you're all evil or part of the NWO, but what I am saying is that placing a racist like Pike on a pedestal and almost worshipping him instead of distancing yourself from his views says a lot about masonry.

Pike provided the Prince Hall a signed copy of the rituals he put together for the Scottish Rite.
He did not want them in his lodge, you're right, however, he openly supported the Prince Hall itself.
He put together and organized Native American troops, and one of the main reasons he resigned from the army was due to the Confederate government renegading on the treaties they'd made with the Natives.
Compared to many men in the South, and many men in the North at the time as well, he had more progressive and open views on race relations.
Poor by todays standard, tobe sure, but still improved.

As for Masons worshiping him, most Masons don't know of him, unless they frequent conspiracy sites, so I doubt they worship him. Most of the Masons I've talked to on forums or the few I know personally, are aware of him only as the fellow who helped put together the Scottish Rite system.

As for you saying he should have expected how people would react to his book... you mean, he should have expected over a century later, that people would be critiquing his book, looking for evidence of Satanism?


Keep in mind, history tends to erase faults.
Washington was a embezzler.
Ghandi was a pervert.
Jefferson... nevermind, everyone knows about Jefferson.

Originally posted by Mintwithahole.

So Isn't that a conflict of faith. You, a christian, standing with a satanist and calling him brother?

for one, Rune is not a mason. For two, who is the satanist. I kind of thought with all the proof that those things you thought about Pike were BS, that you were no longer thinking he was the devil. Please read the links provided. They are not just there for aesthetic purposes.

Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by Mintwithahole.

So Isn't that a conflict of faith. You, a christian, standing with a satanist and calling him brother?

for one, Rune is not a mason. For two, who is the satanist. I kind of thought with all the proof that those things you thought about Pike were BS, that you were no longer thinking he was the devil. Please read the links provided. They are not just there for aesthetic purposes.

No, you've got me wrong. What I'm saying is that it seems wrong that he as a christian would have to call a satanist a brother if they were both in the masons together. I'm not accusing rune of being a satanist!

I agree with the OP. I have known several Masons from my childhood and have found them to be nothing but kind hearted people willing to contribute to their society. Something of a rarity in these days.

I do believe that Masons believe God to be the "Grand Architect" of the universe. You know, Robert Anton Wilson (the father of all conspiracy theorists) was a 33. degree Freemason? He, of all people, is the LEAST probable person to take part on any "evil plots".

This paranoia is just useless, as is the paranoia against most occult groups. To my knowledge, most Masons aren't even really that interested in such subjects.

There might be some crazy cults out there (and are), but Freemasonry isn't probably one of them.

IMHO, it's quite close-minded fundamentalist christian way to demonize every other religion. That would lead the person to see "satan" around every corner. Numbing. It's the 21st century, I wish people would get over such silly superstition.

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I've found when trying to stand for or against any one religion it's a task near impossible. It's people that make it up, and when it comes to people, sometimes you have hear their cases separately.
In the end, i've decided that the faith of the person matters less to me than their faith.
I've known Christians who have done more to besmirch Christ's name, than any Satanist or atheist could do.
And I've met Satanists and Atheists who live His message better than these same Christians.
As I said earlier, to many people have been surprised I'm Christian, for all of the wrong reasons.

The labels we give ourselves, and the labels we give each other, are ones that we place on others, only serve to divide us, before getting to understand another.

There are many forms of Satanism, I've known Christian Satanists, those I rarely get along with. Mostly in it because it's cool and it shocks the old folks.
I've known Satanists involved with the Church of Satanism, which seems to be mostly atheism that mocks Christianity, though it has it's own system of beliefs. It seems to me rather shallow.
There are a few who see Satan's expulsion from Heaven in a entirely different light. They are interesting to have a discussion with, and are predominantly good people.

There are the NeogPagan, like the Wicca, who still worship old gods who have come be represented now as Satan. Most recognizably the Horned God.
NeoPagans, mostly by the mere basis of the system, ranges between ridiculous, to the really deep.

And there are more divisions, and beliefs than I am ever to likely stumble across in my life.

Personally, rather than the source of all evil, I've always held the belief that Satan was our test. Heaven is to be earned, not given freely.
In my mind, the story of Adam and Eve is a myth we all live daily.
And, to me, division between faiths is something to overcome, not by fighting over which one is right, but allowing people to walk their path open and honestly, save for where they'd harm another.

But yes, were to join Masonry, I could call a Satanist brother.
Believing in a Supreme Being is just one of the qualifications of membership anyway. There would also be a interview, and there's a vote as well before a member is admitted.



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