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Originally posted by RuneSpider
reply to post by vcwxvwligen
While Freemasonry is open to pretty much all faiths, it is founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs.
Objectively, that can be viewed as indirect support.
Later degrees or the York Rite does require you to swear an Oath to defend Christianity, though doesn't require you to be Christian that I recall.
Originally posted by JoshNorton
I'm sure you're a decent person as well, but I'm equally sure that unless you're self-employed, you don't know everything about every aspect of the lives of every person you work for or work with either. What kinks are your boss into? How much has the secretary embezzled from the company? Did the company pay for every piece of software on every computer in the office? Or did someone skirt the law and install something they weren't supposed to? Show me ANY organization that's COMPLETELY transparent. You can't. Why should Masonry be held to a different standard?
I can only ask, to what end? Say that TPTB, whatever you want to call them, HAVE infiltrated the Grand Lodge of my state. What exactly are they getting us, the blind underlings, to do without our knowledge or consent? How are they leveraging their position to actually DO anything, particularly anything un-Masonic?
I would suggest that in those cases, it is the individual that is guilty of such indiscretions, and not the institution. I'm not saying the institution is incorruptible, but I do think that as large as it is, it would be difficult for institutional corruption to persist for long without someone noticing it and making a big noise about it. Close to 100,000 Masons in my state. Good odds someone's seen something, if there's anything to find...
I honestly think it's something that most, if not all, Masons here on ATS have given regular thought to. There are even a few members here who joined Masonry explicitly to try to expose it, or to find out what was going on behind the closed doors, and when they got there, they found there wasn't anything to worry about and decided to stay.
Sure. The power structure, while a bit difficult to explain, isn't really THAT complicated. Personally know and see regularly at least three former Grand Masters of my state... the guys who ran Masonry in my state for their one year elected term. I've had dinner with both the head of the Scottish Rite in my state, and the head of the Scottish Rite for the Southern Jurisdiction (35 states in the US, and I believe also having sovereignty over some other territories as well). THESE are the "high level Masons" of myth, and they're all very approachable men. If I had concerns, I'd have no problem discussing the matter with them.
Originally posted by network dude
We as masons, can't possibly know everything that goes on in all of masonry. ... But your assertations [sic] that there are evil things going on in our organization are incorrect.
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
Originally posted by network dude
We as masons, can't possibly know everything that goes on in all of masonry. ... But your assertations [sic] that there are evil things going on in our organization are incorrect.
This is a logical fallacy.
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
You said only a few of the Southern Baptists in your area were Freemasons, which does not accurately reflect the Southern Baptist congregation as a whole, or even high-level Southern Baptists.
What does a divine creator have to do with an afterlife or a celestial lodge?
Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by pepsi78
I don't think anyone claimed to be God or stated you were God. I just said that God is in all of us and everything. Ever since I was a kid, I wanted to understand him. You can spend too much time looking for the answer to the wrong question. ( A high level mason once told me that)
Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
Freemasonry says that a man will enter the Celestial Lodge above if he wears the apron.
Originally posted by RuneSpider
Later degrees or the York Rite does require you to swear an Oath to defend Christianity, though doesn't require you to be Christian that I recall.
Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by pepsi78
the idea of communism is great in a perfect world. Since we aren't in one, it will not work. Nor will Marxism, or even capitalism for that matter. Some last longer than others, but in the end, imperfect world=imperfect people=chaos and change in the end. I don't know what God wants, I can only guess. I hope I am right, but I have no delusions to think that I hold that kind of knowledge. No man does. If you are told different, you are being lied to.