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It has nothing to do with a "sun god". Enlightenment and illumination are metaphors for acquiring knowledge. Nothing more.
Originally posted by arth247
They(and other secret societies)Believe that by undergoing certain initiations and rites they can attain what they call"the ultimate illumination"from the sun god and hence become enlightened beings (illuminati).
Originally posted by JoshNorton
It has nothing to do with a "sun god". Enlightenment and illumination are metaphors for acquiring knowledge. Nothing more.
Originally posted by arth247
They(and other secret societies)Believe that by undergoing certain initiations and rites they can attain what they call"the ultimate illumination"from the sun god and hence become enlightened beings (illuminati).
Originally posted by King Seesar
I think arth247 brings up some good points the Masons and the Illuminati have stuff in commen, they both hope to become enlighten through rituals and rites, why the need for that?? can't you acquire knowlige withen your own walk with god without rituals and rites.
Both groups hope to attain lumination so i would say that's the reason the Masons get grouped in with the Illuminati.
I have no gripe with the Masons on here some seem real friendly i just think these men are walking the wrong path, and i do think the higher members of the group are involved with Bohemian Grove and the Bilderberg group and i would watch out for things like that.
Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
When it comes to lists of those who are freemasons who can you trust? It seems to me that the freemasons denials of who is, or Isn't a mason is just as suspect as the lists put forward by the extreme anti masons. . .
Originally posted by SpaceMonkeys
Just because you are a freemason does not mean you know what goes on at the top. Most Christians may be kind loving people but it doesn't mean the Vatican also is.
Originally posted by orwellianunenlightenment
But how can you know what is going on in their inner workings?
Originally posted by felonius
Ok folks.
Let me put this BS to bed about we Masons being some sort of boogie man.
For gods sake if we were, our numbers would be a helluva lot better! I dont see many of the 20 somethings beating our doors down to get in...for that matter I have a pretty dim view of most of the lot. Lazy, self-absorbed, spineless, nancy boys that have never had their nails dirty.
I apologise to the 10% of them that are good young MEN.
We Masons have been being maligned since our "beloved" mother church decided she should "off" all of us. Then the "freak" christian groups/leaders that had some weird "anti facination" (?) with us. No good deed goes unpunished I guess.
WE ARE FAMILY MEN. WE LOVE OUR COUNTRY (whats left of it). WE DONT MAKE A BIG DEAL OF OURSELVES.
WE AINT THAT POWERFUL!!!
You see us with our funny hats on streets corners. We are collecting for the hospitals so that crippled and burned children can get help... NO ONE is turned away.
You see us when you see the little box at a check out. That goes to help kids that cant get help anywhere else....NO ONE is turned away.
"OH, you just dont KNOW what REALLY goes on." yeah? think so?
We are here for the kids.....YOUR KIDS!
Well, I'll tell you what buddy. Put your money where your mouth is. How many kids has YOUR organization helped? Huh? OH. Dont belong to one. Hmm. Too busy I guess? BLOODY SURE NOT TOO BUSY TO BASH US!
I am a 20+ year Texas Mason. I have had the pleasure of "gripping " my brothers from Canada, England,Australia, Caribbean, and several states. WE ARE THE SAME!
I remember a brother from Australia. Had little tassles and bells on his apron. We had a polite chuckle at his expense but afforded him NO disrespect. That man knew his work! We have our regional differences is all. Hey, he maybe right with the "jingle bells". We didnt care. He was our brother.
Folks. There maybe members of my brotherhood that have forgotten there obligations. The politicians come to mind. They lost there way and could EASILY joined dark forces.
The rest of us did not.
Please, we ask for nothing but charity for the kids that isnt covered by our dues. Most of the doctors (if not all) are pro bono. Equipment isnt cheap though. Neither is building upkeep.
Please, consider when you see a lodge, realise that there are men and (and if an Eastern Star chapter is there) women that care. We dont want to rule the world. We just want to make it a little better for ALL of us. Even the bashers!
FIAT LUX!
KONX OM PAX!
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[edit on 6/27/2009 by JacKatMtn]
Not even close to correct. The Illuminati is a group which hasn't existed in over 200 years. From 1776 until 1785 they were in operation, and during that time they identified with the Masonic structure for degrees, etc. They went so far as to recruit prominent local Masons into their group. (which is why the two get tied together to this day)
Originally posted by HHO TEK
On a added note i did think the the illuminati was the highest order of masons? is that not correct?
Except the Bavarian Illuminati did neither. If you want to tie the Bohemian Grove to the Illuminati, you'll have to do a lot better than that.
Originally posted by King Seesar
reply to post by JoshNorton
I think there's at least a hint of proof or if you will things to look into regarding the Illuminati that make you go hmm, elites dressing in hoods doing mock sacrifices is a testament to this.