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We're all individuals with our own opinions, which is why they're all different. (So much for those who claim we're brainwashed... clearly we disagree on any number of things, but amongst each other we try to keep such disagreements agreeable. Almost like Unitarians in that regard, I'd wager.) None of us has or will ever claim to speak for Masonry. We can only offer our own experiences, opinions and interpretations, and that's all any of us has done in this thread or elsewhere on ATS.
Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
I give up! How are people like me who are puzzled by the freemasons ever going to get honest answers to our questions when you all can't agree with each other?
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Seriously, if the masons ever had need of a good PR man you lot need not apply.
Similarly, I'm Discordian for most purposes and Deist for others. (I don't think Eris created the world, I think she just helped screw it all up, and I've embrace the chaos...)
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Just to clear up, I, being of Italian ancestry, was raised to follow two doctrines, that of Roman Catholicism and to obtain all necessary major appliances by having them fortuitously fall off the back of a truck.
I have since abandoned both of these ways of life and now only believe in God in more of a Deist sense and purchase my appliances at Home Depot.
Similarly, I'm Discordian for most purposes and Deist for others. (I don't think Eris created the world, I think she just helped screw it all up, and I've embrace the chaos...)
Originally posted by Sparkey76
Truth for fellow brothers right?
knowledge hoarded is no knowledge at all.
Originally posted by JoshNorton
We're all individuals with our own opinions, which is why they're all different. (So much for those who claim we're brainwashed... clearly we disagree on any number of things, but amongst each other we try to keep such disagreements agreeable. Almost like Unitarians in that regard, I'd wager.) None of us has or will ever claim to speak for Masonry. We can only offer our own experiences, opinions and interpretations, and that's all any of us has done in this thread or elsewhere on ATS.
Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
Anyone who reads the last few pages will see that if you ask a difficult question there is two masonic answers.
1. They try to come across as all sweetness and light.
2. They try to bamboozle you with an answer to a question which you never asked in the first place.
I have been in a particular lodge, and I didnt know it at the time but you guys look to the East for the light , right?
now a lodge ive been in had its alter at the West end of the buildings! now I would interpret that as looking into the darkness! right or wrong?
Originally posted by Sparkey76
I have asked this question in a few threads on a masonic thread and simply get ignored.
Now I swear on my life and my family's, I have been in a particular lodge, by chance and have seen inside it.
Alter to the West, ( not east, where the light comes from or centre like its supposed to be)
Human skull and bones underneath one of the seats to the right of the hall.
Ive seen wierd rituals when I served them drinks downstairs in function room, (laughable really) A pigs head being carried out and singing as it comes out.
I have seen other stuff too but I aint posting about what I read in a big book.
Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
But surely if you are all learning the same masonic laws and lessons your answers should all fall, at least, in the same ballpark! For your answers to be so conflicting is amazing. . .
The reason I pushed for an answer about the satanist issue was purely down to the fact that I was receiving so many different answers from you masons.
Masons also love to waffle on! Why give a one sentence answer when two paragraphs of details not relating to the original question will do just as well.
Its the wriggling around on the end of a hook when the questioning gets tough which makes me suspect that there may be more to freemasonry and that some of the allegations forwarded against the group may have some basis in fact.
But I do think Masons have a problem with race. Another recent thread here on ATS details how Georgia masons wont let a black guy join. . .
I also think the freemasons are a breeding ground for the NWO or Iluminati.
You attract top businessmen, Politicians, bankers and future influential people into your ranks,
and prepare them to do the right thing for when the elite come a calling.
As for other masons, like your good self and the others on here, I think you wont be told whats going on further up the line because you're not important enough to be involved.
And I don't mean that in an insulting way.
Your role is to keep the lodges open and recruit more people who may be of benefit to the elite in the future.
The question then becomes not whether masons are evil or not because I dont really think you are. The question now is have masons ever suspected that there best, most influential and richest members are being cherry picked by the elite?
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Did you read my last post? I will reiterate, if God created Satan then Satan, by default, can not be a supreme being.
I don't exactly fit the mould of Neo-Pagan, though many of my friends are. I've had good success with dowsing rods & tarot cards. I've also sung latin choral works as part of Christian masses in cathedrals across the US and the UK. I've been exposed to quite a bit but follow my own path. I've studied Tim Leary & R.A. Wilson (and met them both on the lecture circuit) and if push came to shove, could be classified a practitioner of Chaos Magick in various and assorted definitions thereof. My witch friends all hold me in high regard, but I don't take much interest in their rituals or trappings as such... a general personal distaste for organized religion regardless of its form or flavor. *shrug*
Originally posted by RuneSpider
Similarly, I'm Discordian for most purposes and Deist for others. (I don't think Eris created the world, I think she just helped screw it all up, and I've embrace the chaos...)
Duly noted, I believe I remember you talking about working on some new Age style projects, but couldn't be sure. My apologies.
Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
You twist, you turn but you dont give answers- at least not the answers to the questions we ask.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
You twist, you turn but you dont give answers- at least not the answers to the questions we ask.
Funny, considering you did not answer any of the questions I asked in my last post responding to you in which I answered your questions. As a matter of fact you said you were 'giving up'. I guess answering questions is too bothersome a task for you to undertake.