Obama: My Plan Makes Electricity Rates Skyrocket (cap and trade), page 1
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Topic started on 27-6-2009 @ 12:04 PM by David9176
First of all...let's go back to what he said throughout his entire campaign....

NO tax increases for those making less than 250,000 thousand a year.


Obama on cap and trade.....


Oh, and let's not forget about the cigarette tax increase.


I would like to know.....what is the actual percentage of the entire American public who WANTS their energy bills increased?

It can't possibly be the majority of people....which once again proves that our government doesn't give a damn!

Why do they even bother voting anymore? Why don't they just give the executive branch total control...why even put on this freaking show anymore?

This bill is the equivalent of throwing gasoline on a fire....people simply cannot afford this!!

It's just another thing that benefits the rich and corrupt and hurts the working class!

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reply posted on 27-6-2009 @ 12:28 PM by Walkswithfish
Like any politician he is a liar. What he said in the campaign was and is irrelevant to him now, he is pushing at full throttle toward his goal of complete reform that will give government unprecedented powers, to destroy the capitalist system, and the moves they have made so far clearly expose his hidden agenda.

The people are secondary to the ultimate goals they have and that is to bring down the economy in order to take complete control of it, and nearly every aspect of the people's lives.

The cap and tax plan will cost everyone immensely, and the worst part is that it will eliminate millions more jobs at the worst possible time.

If this legislation in not stopped in the senate it will be time for Americans to revolt.

The US must be destroyed at several levels in order for the Obama administration and congress to achieve their ultimate goals, they know it, they also know they do not have a lot of time to make it happen... And they are well on the way to accomplishing their goals.

Think of what they have control over now, and what they are openly planning to do in the future.

We will become a socialist country, with a government that is more massive and powerful than ever before, and will be more intrusive into our lives than at any time in our history. This government will crush the capitalist system, what is left they will own and control. You will work where they want you to, you will drive what they tell you to, you will have NO choice in your personal and family health care plan, your success potential will be severely limited. You will be taxed in every possible way.

The final blow will be when it all breaks down and this government gets complete control of the food industry. And that is also in the works.

They MUST be STOPPED.

Fight the passage of this legislation in every way you can, let your voices be heard and fire them all when the time comes to vote... It is the only way, and could be our last chance to save our country as we know it.


reply posted on 27-6-2009 @ 12:37 PM by Darthorious
reply to post by Hastobemoretolife



Good point look at what the car industry accomplished putting billions of dollars into cleaner running auto's. An electric car that almost no one uses. Hydrogen cars that almost no one uses. And why don't we use them? I can't use electric because the weather would kill the batteries so fast it would be cheaper to buy a gas guzzler not like the batteries are affordable after the charges completely ware out.

I've never even seen a hydrogen car on a car lot yet in my area much less an electric one. No one here would be able to refill it anyway so I would have to use all gas.

And this started what a decade ago?

They claim you get better gas millage I call BS I got better gas millage in my truck back in 94 than I do today and it had better mileage than a new vehicle does today. Excluding the hydrogen car sense I've never seen one.
I was driving about 800 miles on one tank of gas have never come close to that sense.

So saying this will change anything is just a farce. 10 years from now we'll have cleaner running systems but we'll have to pay more for the utilities because it cost more to run the systems. Guaranteed when it does happen the tax won't be dropped it will be raised in order to research why they world in entering into an ice age.


reply posted on 27-6-2009 @ 12:51 PM by Hastobemoretolife
reply to post by Darthorious



That is the problem, hydrogen and electric cars are not viable forms of transportation.

It's all bull is what it is.


reply posted on 28-6-2009 @ 01:09 PM by Hastobemoretolife
reply to post by Karlhungis



I'm sure there are millions of Americans and that number is growing by the day that feel just like you.

People are getting tired of having legislation shoved down their throats. They are saying though that this bill isn't going to make it through the Senate, which is very good.

The straws are piling up on the camels back and soon enough it will break. The one thing about this bill is they need this bill to pass the senate in order for them to pass the health care plan, because the tax increases with this Cap and Trade crap will allow them to do a reconciliation with the health care plan which in reconciliation they only need 50 votes instead of the 60, it just has to be deficit neutral.


reply posted on 28-6-2009 @ 04:06 PM by Hastobemoretolife
reply to post by jerico65



Is it just me or does it seem like this admin and congress are doing everything they possibly can to start a civil war in this country.

This Cap and Trade BS can be used to make ammunition prices sky rocket. For the simple fact that the "administrator" that will dole out the carbon credits can say ammo manufactures need to buy 3 times the amount of carbon credits.

This bill is bad bad news.


reply posted on 28-6-2009 @ 04:42 PM by daddyroo45
reply to post by drwizardphd



I didn't mention absorbtion rates,I just was making the point that there are many things that give off co2.The amount trees give off is larger than the amount autos do.
I would never say people don't contribute,I just believe it is an inflated scare tactic,to say that man is the greatest cause,

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reply posted on 28-6-2009 @ 05:06 PM by proximo
reply to post by Hastobemoretolife




I agree about hydrogen at least for many years the costs are way to high, but electric cars are practical now for some (luxury vehicles/sports cars), and with better energy storage technology and ramping up of production will be practical for all soon.

I don't think you realize how many dollars are focused on improving battery tech and or capacitors. The problems will be solved and soon, nanotechnology will absolutely be able to solve the problem if it comes to that.

The first step will be plug in hybrids and even if they are only able to hold a 30 mile charge due to battery costs that is still a humongous energy savings because that is enough for most peoples daily commute.
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