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Mousavi Backers Tortured, Told to Confess Foreign Plot

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posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 09:03 PM
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sounds like what the US did recently in Iraq

waterboarding I think they called it?




posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 09:04 PM
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So apparently you have "proof beyond a shadow of a doubt" that the CIA is responsible for the Iranian Government torturing its own citizens, then denying ignorance, I would like to see the proof.


Good! Glad to hear that, can you be at the Geico Parking Garage building on Williard Avenue, in Chevy Chase MD right across from the D.C. line at the 5th floor yellow row no. 15 pillar at midnight and wear a fedora and a trench coat and remember this password...

I am supposed be home in bed by now!

I have arranged for elements of the SAVAK and CIA to first interview you and then place you on a C-130 to Bahrain where they will put you on a submarine for a late night coastal scuba dive insertion into Iran...you can scuba dive right?

Now hopefully you have a tan and beard and speak a little Farsi because the 15 mile cross dessert trek you have to complete to meet your contact to carry you into Tehran must occur before the sun comes up and if you run across any Revolutionary Gaurd Operatives while on your own in the dessert well...I am sure you get the picture if you can't fool them with your Farsi.

You do know how to read a compass right and ride a camel and fashion an Arab headscarf...

You sure you up for proof now and don't just want to stay there in nice safe Los Angeles reading and disseminating propoganda on the Internet...it is after all a pretty big world out there and I have heard some rumors people in Iran itself are sometimes subject to torture. I am sure that's not a concern for a guy like you...remember that's the 5th floor yellow section pillar 15, Fedora and Trench Coat, midnight sharp and don't forget the password.



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 09:48 PM
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Originally posted by warrenb
reply to post by Oatmeal
 


sounds like what the US did recently in Iraq

waterboarding I think they called it?


I hear the Guantanamo detainees will be entered in the US waterboarding team for the 2012 olympic games.

Oh wait, it's not a sport, is it?

[edit on 27-6-2009 by Whine Flu]



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 10:16 PM
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Posting a lot of stale old threads on History does not prove your theory that the CIA is responsible for the Iranian Government torturing their own citizens. The links I provide are Breaking News, just a few hours old, so do not name names, what ,where, why and when. The situation in Iran right now will get you killed for saying who, what, where why and when. You remind me of Obama, you say a lot of words, but none of them mean anything.



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 10:20 PM
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Learn what happened yesterday to better understand what happened today




posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 10:36 PM
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The time-frame for news submissions has changed from 48 hours to 36 hours. The date of your submitted story must less than 36 hours old at the time of submission. If it's older than that, please use the appropriate ATS forum to open a discussion on your found topic.


I think my Thread qualifies here...



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by Oatmeal
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Posting a lot of stale old threads on History does not prove your theory that the CIA is responsible for the Iranian Government torturing their own citizens. The links I provide are Breaking News, just a few hours old, so do not name names, what ,where, why and when. The situation in Iran right now will get you killed for saying who, what, where why and when. You remind me of Obama, you say a lot of words, but none of them mean anything.



Wow all those poor people who suffered such far worse fates during those "stale" old history threads you can't be bothered to read or form a background of history or the culture or the fact that there will always be an excuse for shoddy journalism and poor quality propoganda and the fools that believe it and support it and pass it along...

And if you read all about Operation Ajax you would know just how such people as I have described above fall right into the hands of intelligence operatives who manipulate them in to doing things that aren't in their own best interest.

Know anyone who works for the CIA or the SAVAK? I do, know anyone who has played politics in Iran? I do.

Do you know anything at all beyond why intelligent standards should not apply when people advocate doing stupid things?

Love to hear about those 'fresh' ideas because when it comes to stale I have run across fresher pretzels in bars name "Lou's" that the pitiful renderings and excuses you offer up for fact and substitutes to good quality information to promote and provoke emotional reactions absent of one tiny weenie little shred of substantiated fact.

They had lots of excuses why there were no WMD in Iraq too and lots of excuses why so called 9-11 terrorists can't be safely brought to trial in America like someone has taken our right to bear arms and defend ourselves away from us or something.

Some people have nothing but excuses as to why nonsense should be viewed as fact, but those excuses are just nonsense too.

Surely even you can see how your willingness to accept things willy nilly leaves a huge door open for you to be exploited.

Hey you are from L.A. maybe you enjoy being exploited, me I moved away after 10 years I got sick of seeing people exploited because they all dared to dream and believe what they wanted to believe most often while forking over their hard earned money to people who told them they could make their dreams come true.

Such people are called suckers and marks friend and I ain't one of them!

You have to love L.A. though, when the Alcohol Bars shut down at 2:00 AM the Kool Aide places stay open until 5:00 A.M. here in South Beach we don't really get into pretending and make believe we serve alchohol until 5:00 AM, it's much more sensible when people have their fill of alchohol they at least have the decency to pass out instead of going on and on pitching some Hollywood make believe story!



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 11:09 PM
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Keep talking, WMD's, Iraq, pretzels, like I said lots of words-no meaning, no proof of your off topic theory that the CIA is responsible for the Iranian Government torturing its own citizens. I know lots of people also, there is no way I'm going to discuss my friends and background on ATS with you, so keep talking, when you come up with some proof I'll be here.



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 11:25 PM
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Actually I have posted a lot of common sense and sensible responses to a poorly sourced story.

You don't even think about the absurdity of your own defenses of a story you didn't write.

The story clearly says it was sourced off of a claim on Mousavi's website so clearly he isn't afraid of being tortured.

The people who are being allegedly tortured have to already be in Iranian custody and the Iranians must know who they are torturing if in fact they are torturing so exactly who wins with all this secrecy that you claim only adds validity to the story.

That's why you don't get, and maybe living LA you know a couple members of the Jewish Mafia that run the porn business, the night clubs and narcotics and prostitution trade or a few of the actual MOSSAD agents that liason to the Movie Studios.

One thing is for sure you have no trouble pretending sourceless political accustations off of a politicians website suffice for fact in a country that 3 weeks ago before you joined ATS you were probably running around claiming it needs to be bombed for Israel's defense.

Me if I wanted to know the real truth of what was going in Iran right now I would be on a plane over there and sort it all out.

I don't really care, I do care how Americans are always duped into become the wallets and human sheilds of corporate greed though.

This is how it happens every time and no wonder you don't enjoy the thought of people who know history and learn from it so they don't repeat such foolish mistakes.

What you don't get is there is a Theocracy distrustful of the West in Iran for a reason, it was our own actions that turned them to it and made them embrace it.

If you knew anything about Iran or honesty, you would know that, and you would want to know what's really going on over there instead of promoting factless stories that are written for one reason to insight the kind of emotional reactions that lead to blind American intervention.

And then lots of innocent people dying and then lots of innocent people being tortured.

Real Americans stand for the REAL TRUTH, not manufactured garbage friend.

No real American shies away from the truth or responsibility.

Guess those kind of lofty ideals are too stale for you too Rambo.

Time for you to go on the ignore list!



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 12:20 AM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Once again, the CIA cannot force people into the streets that don't want to be there.


Of course $400 million is not forcing anyone, but it is a nice incentive.

Besides most of the footage showing people in the streets are actually protesting AGAINST Mousavi - but when they put it on TV they tell you its the opposite.




Software developed by a Canadian lab to circumvent online censorship has been downloaded by more than 18,000 Iranians in the last 10 days, says its developer Rafal Rohozinski."This speaks to the hunger for access to information when it's being denied," Rohozinski told AFP.t



So with 30 plus free TV channels that are being beamed into Iran from the US - they are starved for info? Well, it seems to me that they want to hear something apart from US propaganda then.

Actually I think I might have found the reason here, the FBI disrupting internet access.

www.upi.com...

[edit on 28-6-2009 by Amagnon]



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 11:36 AM
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Actually I have posted a lot of common sense and sensible responses to a poorly sourced story. You don't even think about the absurdity of your own defenses of a story you didn't write.


Maybe you have posted a lot of common sense. But none of it will detract from my opinion that the Iranian Government should not be torturing their own citizens, and you never proved your theory that it is the CIA who is responsible. So, talk about the "Jewish Mafia" or Los Angeles or Iraq all you want, but you still haven't said anything on topic....

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posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 12:24 PM
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That's why you don't get, and maybe living LA you know a couple members of the Jewish Mafia that run the porn business, the night clubs and narcotics and prostitution trade or a few of the actual MOSSAD agents that liason to the Movie Studios.


So now you make fun of where I live, accuse me of associating with the Jewish Mafia, being involved in narcotics, prostitution, and pornography. You Sir, and I use the term loosely, have no idea how to behave on a social networking thread. Just because you cannot disprove the facts in my thread, and cannot provide any facts or even provide a link to prove your own theory, you resort to name calling. How very fifth grade of you...



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 06:30 PM
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CIA Crucified captive in Abu Ghraib Prison

June 28, 2009


The Central Intelligence Agency crucified a prisoner in Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad, according to a report published in The New Yorker magazine.

“A forensic examiner found that he (the prisoner) had essentially been crucified; he died from asphyxiation after having been hung by his arms, in a hood, and suffering broken ribs,” the magazine’s Jane Mayer writes in the magazine’s June 22nd issue. “Military pathologists classified the case a homicide.” The date of the murder was not given.

“No criminal charges have ever been brought against any C.I.A. officer involved in the torture program, despite the fact that at least three prisoners interrogated by agency personnel died as a result of mistreatment,” Mayer notes.

An earlier report, by John Hendren in The Los Angeles Times indicted other torture killings. And Human Rights First says nearly 100 detainees have died in U.S. custody in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Hendren reported that one Manadel Jamadi died “of blunt-force injuries” complicated by “compromised respiration” at Abu Ghraib prison “while he was with Navy SEALs and other special operations troops.” Another victim, Abdul Jaleel, died while gagged and shackled to a cell door with his hands over his head.” Yet another prisoner, Maj. Gen. Abid Mowhosh, former commander of Iraq’s air defenses, “died of asphyxiation due to smothering and chest compression” in Qaim, Iraq.

"There is no question that U.S. interrogations have resulted in deaths," says Anthony Romero, executive director of the ACLU. "High-ranking officials who knew about the torture and sat on their hands and those who created and endorsed these policies must be held accountable. America must stop putting its head in the sand and deal with the torture scandal." At least scores of detainees in U.S. custody have died and homicide is suspected. As far back as May, 2004, the Pentagon conceded at least 37 deaths of prisoners in its custody in Iraq and Afghanistan had prompted investigations.

Nathaniel Raymond, of Physicians for Human Rights, told The New Yorker, “We still don’t know how many detainees were in the black sites, or who they were. We don’t fully know the White House’s role, or the C.I.A.’s role. We need a full accounting, especially as it relates to health professionals.”

Recently released Justice memos, he noted, contain numerous references to CIA medical personnel participating in coercive interrogation sessions. “They were the designers, the legitimizers, and the implementers,” Raymond said. “This is arguably the single greatest medical-ethics scandal in American history. We need answers.”

The ACLU obtained its information from the Pentagon through a Freedom of Information suit. Documents received included 44 autopsies and death reports as well as a summary of autopsy reports of people seized in Iraq and Afghanistan. An ACLU statement noted, “This covers just a fraction of the total number of Iraqis and Afghanis who have died while in U.S. custody.” (Italics added).

Torture by the CIA has been facilitated by the Agency’s ability to hide prisoners in “black sites” kept secret from the Red Cross, to hold prisoners off the books, and to detain them for years without bringing charges or providing them with lawyers.

Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch, denounced the Obama administration for considering “prevention detention,” The New Yorker’s Mayer wrote. Roth said this tactic “mimics the Bush Administration’s abusive approach.”


www.globalresearch.ca...



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 06:34 PM
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Very good post, I feel bad for the man who was crucified, and any other detainees that have been killed or tortured by the CIA or US Government. The same as I feel badly about the Iranian Government torturing their own citizens...

ncr-iran.org...


[edit on 28-6-2009 by Oatmeal]




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