It's a shame that this thread of hate is still up on ATS. I'll give it about another few hours and if it's not taken down, I will no longer be a part of the ATS community.

This entire thread is so antisemitic, it's not even worth responding to the actual content.

Originally posted by Sheeper
Your comparison with Cambodia stinks. Sicko.



[edit on 27-6-2009 by Sheeper]

Its fake. He was just looking for an angle for his thread of holocaust denial.
The last stage of Genocide is Denial.

Originally posted by ufonautradio
It's a shame that this thread of hate is still up on ATS. I'll give it about another few hours and if it's not taken down, I will no longer be a part of the ATS community.

This entire thread is so antisemitic, it's not even worth responding to the actual content.

I don't think anyone is moved by your imperialistic and undemocratic accusations and demands. if the only thing you can do is condemn your fellow members by marking them as anti-Semitic (which I doubt they actually care about), then good riddance, and close the door on your way out. The anti-Semitic card is dead, not effective anymore. The truth is starting to come out, and a lot of people won't like it. Who cares?

I'm not sure why I opened this thread and I'm less sure of why I read all the posts. The Holocaust was a historically documented event that took place over a period of years. The evidence is there if people cared enough to look. Survivors are still alive and their children still lend witness to the evidence.

I want to write some definitive post that nails all of the people that rationalize, excuse, deny or seek to justify the events that involved the deaths of millions. It's impossible...

The holocaust represents the worst aspects of humanity. It shows what we are capable of doing to each other. It isn't just history...it's part of us. Rwanda reproduced the same circumstances and horror only 10 years ago. Khmer Rouge was the same in Cambodia.

For all those that have made excuses and offered 'ifs & buts' for the holocaust, I have contempt for you. In spite of this, if the same circumstances were to be repeated I'd defend your right to life. The holocaust wasn't about Jews, gypsies, handicapped, homosexuals, mentally impaired...it was about people.

Men, women and children died because too many people made the same excuses as some members in this thread. Ignorance is alive, thriving and unashamed...

Sorry this is my first post! Im in shock to see this thread, I justed watched a doco called selling the killing fields which was about phnom penh government kicking people off their land to sell and build to sell to foreign investors, then I watched the knowing, then before going to bed i saw this post! I just came back from Cambodia and going there has change my life, I went to Phnom Penh and Siem reap, i went to S21 and the killing fields , meet victims , families of the victims even survivors of the regime let alone a lots of landmine victims. To see it with my own eyes has change me , the vibe i got from S21 really messed with me , seeing how their own people could torture their own cause of Pol Pot and his brainwashing just made me think how could this of happened! When i got to the killing fields, the energy there was unbearable, we got a tour guide who's family was killed there ( never will forget him), Walking around the site listening to the guide tell how his family and many others got executed and the genocide there made me lost it, walking on the bones of many innocent people, seeing the tree where they used to bash babies across it, seeing all the graves ,seeing all the bones still sticking out of the ground even the clothing of the victims everywhere ate me. I was seeing blurs of people moving around in the corner of my eyes, so many souls will never get to rest, the guide said he stayed there one night only to hear screaming all night of the victims then watching him breaks down into tears, made me break tears , listening to what happened there , made me angry! even more to hear the Japanese corporate groups now owns it as a tourist income made me even more mad!, how could something like this happen and the world don't care! Driving back to where we stayed, just seeing the poverty , the pollution, the children covered in dirt just messed with me more, but driving back i notice the smiles , people and kids waving at us, just made me think how all off them have suffered in many ways but for them to move on and smile moved me in a different way, the Cambodian people are amazing people, the history of what the country has done and been through is amazing , even to think they are all descendants of one of the most advance races in the world hence the construction of angkor wat and the many temples and cities. Sadly the people are still suffering, their government is selling everything to foreigners, land and all historical locations even, but the people, they still smile and still keep hope. unfortunately not all of them are nice , as they say the rich get richer and the poorer get poorer and to the rich they live in secure fortified housing estates with armed guards while there's poor families living in sheds across the road. Greed is evil! Siem reap was more under control cause it was the main tourist location and the police are not to be messed with, but when i found out that angkor wat was owned by the japanese corporates and all hotels and the main airport too, i was like what the f***! Brand new 5 star hotel right next to a HIV treatment hospital, 100's of kids in front of angkor wat , not in school, selling all the same thing only for someone to come and take the money off them. What the hell is going on, they are some of the most realist people in the world but the are still getting done hard and no one is caring , not even their king seems to care! Western society needs to take a page from them and stop their whinging. i went there of spiritual enlightenment but got a reality check! C'mon Japanese corporates where's your honor!!!!! Hitler cause hell but POL POT caused the next level of hell and still to this day , the people are still getting f***d by their government and no one in the world cares! I pray the world wakes up cause on day we could be living like them and our own government will be selling our land off and our life's!!!! i could keep going be will people listen anyway!

- Does not genocide mean systematic destruction?

No, it doesn't.

The word you're looking for is annihilation.

Interesting perspective.

Without doubt the most important contribution to a truthful study of the extermination question has been the work of the French historian, Professor Paul Rassinier. The pre-eminent value of this work lies firstly in the fact that Rassinier actually experienced life in the German concentration camps, and also that, as a Socialist intellectual and anti-Nazi, nobody could be less inclined to defend Hitler and National Socialism. Yet, for the sake of justice and historical truth, Rassinier spent the remainder of his post-war years until his death in 1966 pursuing research which utterly refuted the Myth of the Six Million and the legend of Nazi diabolism. From 1933 until 1943, Rassinier was a professor of history in the College d'enseignement général at Belfort, Academie de Besancon. During the war he engaged in resistance activity until he was arrested by the Gestapo on October 30th, 1943, and as a result was confined in the German concentration camps at Buchenwald and Dora until 1945. At Buchenwald, towards the end of the war, he contracted typhus, which so damaged his health that he could not resume his teaching. After the war, Rassinier was awarded the Medaille de la Résistance and the Reconnaisance Francaise, and was elected to the French Chamber of Deputies, from which he was ousted by the Communists in November, 1946. Rassinier then embarked on his great work, a systematic analysis of alleged German war atrocities, in particular the supposed "extermination" of the Jews. Not surprisingly, his writings are little known; they have rarely been translated from the French and none at all have appeared in English. His most important works were: Le Mensonge d'Ulysse (The Lies of Odysseus, Paris, 1949), an investigation of concentration camp conditions based on his own experiences of them; and Ulysse trahi par les Siens (1960), a sequel which further refuted the impostures of propagandists concerning German concentration camps. His monumental task was completed with two final volumes, Le Véritable Proces Eichmann (1962) and Le Drame des Juifs européen (1964), in which Rassinier exposes the dishonest and reckless distortions concerning the fate of the Jews by a careful statistical analysis. The last work also examines the political and financial significance of the extermination legend and its exploitation by Israel and the Communist powers. One of the many merits of Rassinier's work is exploding the myth of unique German "wickedness"; and he reveals with devastating force how historical truth has been obliterated in an impenetrable fog of partisan propaganda. His researches demonstrate conclusively that the fate of the Jews during World War Two, once freed from distortion and reduced to proper proportions, loses its much vaunted "enormity" and is seen to be only one act in a greater and much wider tragedy. In an extensive lecture tour in West Germany in the spring of 1960, Professor Rassinier emphasised to his German audiences that it was high time for a rebirth of the truth regarding the extermination legend, and that the Germans themselves should begin it since the allegation remained a wholly unjustifiable blot on Germany in the eyes of the world.

Here is another quote from the radio islam site.

Here we may briefly summarise the data on Jewish war- time casualties. Contrary to the figure of over 9 million Jews in German- occupied territory put forward at the Nuremberg and Eichmann trials, it has already been estabhshed that after extensive emigration, approximately 3 million were living in Europe, excluding the Soviet Union. Even when the Jews of German-occupied Russia are included (the majority of Russian Jews were evacuated beyond German control), the overall number probably does not exceed four million. Himmler's statistician, Dr. Richard Korherr and the World Centre of Contemporary Jewish Documentation put the number respectively at 5,550,000 and 5,294,000 when German- occupied territory was at its widest, but both these figures include the two million Jews of the Baltic and western Russia without paying any attention to the large number of these who were evacuated. However, it is at least an admission from the latter organisation that there were not even six million Jews in Europe and western Russia combined. Nothing better illustrates the declining plausibility of the Six Million legend than the fact that the prosecution at the Eichmann trial deliberately avoided mentioning the figure. Moreover, official Jewish estimates of the casualties are being quietly revised downwards. Our analysis of the population and emigration statistics, as well as the studies by the Swiss Baseler Nachrichten and Professor Rassinier, demonstrate that it would have been simply impossible for the number of Jewish casualties to have exceeded a limit of one and a half million. It is very significant, therefore, that the World Centre of Contemporary Jewish Documentation in Paris now states that only 1,485,292 Jews died from all causes during the Second World War, and although this figure is certainly too high, at least it bears no resemblance at all to the legendary Six Million. As has been noted earlier, the Jewish statistician Raul Hilberg estimates an even lower figure of 896,892. This is beginning to approach a realistic figure, and the process of revision is certain to continue. Doubtless, several thousand Jewish persons did die in the course of the Second World War, but this must be seen in the context of a war that cost many millions of innocent victims on all sides. To put the matter in perspective, for example, we may point out that 700,000 Russian civilians died during the siege of Leningrad, and a total of 2,05O,OOO German civilians were killed in Allied air raids and forced repatriation after the war. In 1955, another neutral Swiss source, Die Tat of Zurich (January 19th, 1955), in a survey of all Second World War casualties based on figures of the lnternational Red Cross, put the "Loss of victims of persecution because of politics, race or religion who died in prisons and concentration camps between 1939 and 1945" at 300,000, not all of whom were Jews, and this figure seems the most accurate assessment.

I never really get holocaust deniers. You can't really deny the fact that so many people died. It's in about as much poor taste as an oven joke.

Originally posted by neformore
No one denies the deaths of the homosexuals
No one denies the deaths of the romanies
No one denies the deaths of the mentally handicapped and infirm
No one denies the deaths of the poles
No one denies the deaths of the russian prisoners of war

People only deny the deaths of the jews.

They question the numbers, they say it was "exaggerated". Some claim the whole thing was a hoax. The single, consistent point and argument presented is always linked to the jews.

I'm not denying what happened, nor to the social and ethnic groups it was meted out to.

The question I'd like to put forward is why do we not hear such vocal outcry from any of those other groups of victims you mention in your post?

Could it be that the jewish group have made such public cultural-collective demands that the event be recognised and so much so, enshrined in law? A case of 'the squeaking wheel getting the oil' perhaps?