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reply posted on 27-6-2009 @ 12:24 PM by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by warrenb



Oddly, census count actually disputes your approach. In Poland alone, in 1931 there were more then 3000000 Jews. That is seven numbers by itself. Then add Jews from Soviet Union, Hungary,Romania, France .Netherlands and all the Europe. Or you have access to secret censuses - then please, share the numbers.
Haunebu - hav you ever heard term - final solution? Or is it part of your approach that people have to learn to live by rules so Hitler had to be tough?

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reply posted on 27-6-2009 @ 12:44 PM by allclear
for all you people that believe the fairy tale of millions of jews killed (murdered), I suggest you do your own open-minded due diligence.

My take. The jews were not slaughtered like the countless stories told and retold a million times. Many jews were rounded up for their own protection and put in camps. Written documentation exists that the Nazis had orders to protect the jews and limit the amount of deaths. Inevitably, many died in concentration camps (including jews) from starvation but largely from typhoid. What do you do when mass deaths occur? Mass burial sites or cremation comes to mind. Of course, this logic was twisted by many zionists for many reasons (which are readily apparent today).

I have nothing against jew personally, and have respect for them and their religion. Of course, like all cultures, their are radical outgrowths of which zionism has bred many such characters and taken on a life of its own.

Next time someone adamantly supports the nazi killing machines of jews (which I don't), ask them about their treatment of palestinians in Gaza. In fact, spend a few weeks reading an on-line palestian newspaper and you will hear of atrocities that are easily classified as war crimes, torture and murder.

You will have to do quite of bit of research to get to the truth. I spent several years researching the matter, and I can tell you I was quite surprised after years of brainwashing.

The U.S. is the greatest killing machine with over 1,000,000 innocent Iraqis likely killed. Here's just a small example of our killing/genocide.

Since 1952, the United States of America has promoted, financed and participated in over 20 separate wars, killing over 8,000,000 people.

1952 - 79, 70,000 Iranians killed. ( Ayatollah Khomeini, US public enemy for the 1980s, was on the CIA payroll while in exile in Paris in 1970s, as were Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden at different times and in different places. )

1954 - 120,000 Guatemalans killed

1954 - 1975, 4,000,000 Vietnamese and Cambodians killed.

1965 - 3,000 Dominican Republicans killed

1965 - 800,000 Indonesians killed

1973 - 30,000 Chileans killed

1975 - 250,000 East Timorese killed

1970s - 1,000,000 Angolans killed

1984 - 30,000 Nicaraguans killed

1980s - 80,000 El Salvadoreans killed

1989 - 8,000 Panamanians killed in an attempt to capture George H. Bush's CIA partner now turned enemy, Manuel Noriega,

1980s - over 700,000 Libyans, Grenadians, Somalians, Haitians, Afghanistanis, Sudanese, Brazilians, Argentineans and Yugoslavians killed,

1991 - over 1,000,000 Iraqis killed, including over 500,000 children --about which Madeline Albright ( then, Secretary of State ) said "their deaths are worth the cost". While George W. Bush owns over 80% of the oil wells in Kuwait, trouble will continue there.

Source: Philip Bradbury, Insight Magazine, November 2001

ALL AT THE HANDS OF THE INTERNATIONAL BANKSTER GANGSTERS WHO MAKE BILLIONS FINANCING WARS. These bankers are located in Europe and Britain, and their ancestry indicates they have been in power for several thousands years.

As i said before, the jewish culture has a stranglehold on the US through their majority ownership of major media, the military industrial complex and government. If you doubt me, look at Obama's picks for his cabinets positions and his economic team. Who runs the federal reserve?

Interesting that the jews have come so far since their alleged holocaust. They are such a compassionate and understanding people (sarcasm on).

Do your research, and soon. The clock is ticking as we sit here and fiddle with such nonsense of what we were told vs. the truth. The truth is ugly and you'll wish you never have discovered it (my personal opinion). Its really is just a matter of the red or blue pill.


reply posted on 27-6-2009 @ 12:51 PM by Haunebu
Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
reply to
post by warrenb




Haunebu - hav you ever heard term - final solution? Or is it part of your approach that people have to learn to live by rules so Hitler had to be tough?

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You mean "Endlösung"? Don't forget the faked protocols of the "Wannsee Conference".
Final Solution is something that can be explained in many ways, moving them to Israel could be a final solution as well.

And there were no Gas Chambers in Auschwitz, just read the book "Night" by Nobel Peace Prize Winner Elie Wiesel. According to him people were burned alive, no Gas Chambers.


reply posted on 27-6-2009 @ 12:51 PM by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by allclear



Jews were taken into concentration camps for their protection? This is great. I mean - evil Dutch,Czechoslovakians and Danish were all trying to get Jews - then came saviour Hitler. And in Poland with Polish government and millions of Jews - it was all almost fine, but then came Hitler and Jews suddenly needed to be protected in concentration camps. How American Jews made it through, without Hitler's protection, i wonder...


reply posted on 27-6-2009 @ 01:07 PM by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by Haunebu



Gas chambers in Aushvits or not (and i pretty sure that it existed otherwise there was no need to make it up) - there were X Jews before Hitler started to protect them, and X-Y remained.
Israel in 1948 had 700000 Jews. Thats less then were in Poland alone before "final solution". So they were not moved to Israel. And if Nazis planned to move population into area controlled by their enemies - British - then they were incompetent. So as it goes - Nazis planned final solution of Jewish question. At the end of WW2 Jewish population of Europe shrunk much ,much more then other non-Jewish populations of same countries. There was no similary dramatic increase in Jewish population in Israel/other places. So people are gone. You tell me no gas chambers - even if by some slim chance you are correct - people are gone. So something extraordinary even for world war with unprecedented cruelty must have happened to Jews.



reply posted on 27-6-2009 @ 01:11 PM by ravenshadow13
reply to post by ZeroKnowledge



People have told me that the Jews just changed their names and moved to assorted other countries. That's where they went. Or that they died of natural causes and were buried in the camps.

I have no doubt about the gas chambers, personally. But you know that.


reply posted on 27-6-2009 @ 01:16 PM by warrenb
reply to post by ZeroKnowledge



Interesting.

Can you dig up any figures that estimate the number that were cremated?

Or numbers for those in mass graves?


reply posted on 27-6-2009 @ 01:18 PM by metaldemon2000
reply to post by KRISKALI777



Excellent points S&F



Why on Earth cant the Jewish community?


Because they control the majority of the worlds money, entertainment, and corporations and the general consensus is that we have to let them.

This is the EXACT same reason why Hitler, the Romans and everyone else throughout history did not like the jews. It is their sense of entitlement and their need to control everything that draws negative attention to them. Not to mention their genocidal tactics as of late in Gaza.


reply posted on 27-6-2009 @ 01:24 PM by Haunebu
Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
reply to
post by Haunebu



Gas chambers in Aushvits or not (and i pretty sure that it existed otherwise there was no need to make it up) - there were X Jews before Hitler started to protect them, and X-Y remained.
Israel in 1948 had 700000 Jews. Thats less then were in Poland alone before "final solution". So they were not moved to Israel. And if Nazis planned to move population into area controlled by their enemies - British - then they were incompetent. So as it goes - Nazis planned final solution of Jewish question. At the end of WW2 Jewish population of Europe shrunk much ,much more then other non-Jewish populations of same countries. There was no similary dramatic increase in Jewish population in Israel/other places. So people are gone. You tell me no gas chambers - even if by some slim chance you are correct - people are gone. So something extraordinary even for world war with unprecedented cruelty must have happened to Jews.


Most of them were gone indeed, they left Europe. Many left the continent and only the ones that stayed behind were deported into labour camps.
And if I was in Charge here in Europe, I would start to deport them also and all Moslem's along with them. Just send them there where they belong, outside of Europe.


reply posted on 27-6-2009 @ 01:28 PM by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by warrenb



No thank you - i would leave digging up what was cremated to to others who surely know what was number of people cremated in mass crematorium in concentration camp accordingly to nice civilized modern crematorium. Been there, have no desire to get that low. And as for mass graves - there were almost hundred million people killed in WW2. And nor killing them nor burying them was a problem for 20th century humanity.
By the way, i await your census numbers.



reply posted on 27-6-2009 @ 01:32 PM by ravenshadow13
reply to post by IntastellaBurst



Eight actually. That's probably it. Hah.

I linked before to the thread where I wrote up my family's experience, if you're interested.

Yeah I don't get it either.


reply posted on 27-6-2009 @ 01:33 PM by redoubt
reply to post by KRISKALI777



Denying the Holocaust is a little like Debunkers swearing that air doesn't exist because they can't see it.

The history is there. It happened. Perhaps the Jews have taken it to a far extent but to deny something so obvious is tantamount to accepting that Hobgobblins cause flat tires and Gnomes stole all the veggies from your garden.

I won't argue that Israel hasn't become arrogant an unyielding to a point where peace is almost impossible. But what I won't do is to make a fool of myself and claim that millions of Jews didn't die at the hands of their Nazi keepers.

My Uncle was serving in the US Third Army in 1945. He saw it first hand.

I will not deny this truth for the sake of political expediency... yours or anyone's.



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