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reply posted on 5-5-2004 @ 11:14 AM by Illmatic67
Originally posted by Valorian
Ok...A New World Order has been formed...now what? Who, Why, What and When?


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What does it matter if China's economy passes ours? Isn't it more important to have a strong economy than the top economy?


Yea, but we don't even have a strong economy. Our economy is very unstable, it's very hard to see where it will be in 5-10 years but one thing is for sure- China's economy just keeps climbing, climbing, and climbing.

Balance of the power in the world can move to China like this.


reply posted on 14-5-2004 @ 10:32 PM by crisko
Originally posted by Illmatic67
Originally posted by Humpy
If the UK does not join the EU, it may become a state of the US (though I honestly don't know - depends on the government type at the time).


I don't think so. America would become a state of UK, not the other way around.

I don't even think America will survive another 20 years. In due time, America will become a third world country and then it will eventually collapse from invasion or just corruption.

As far as global peace is concerned- it's difficult but possible.

The only thing that will bring the world together is a staged alien invasion. This way, all the countries will have to become ONE for a day or two to beat out all of the aliens. Then, the NWO will be officially established.


This statement about the US collapsing I find to be false. While I can believe China may surpase us, the world in general cannot let the US deteriorate.

How do you think this would effect the global economy? The EU would get crushed, China would spend years backtracking to reasses its strategy.

To many emerging econimies depend on their US ties for development.

And then there is the will of the American People.

They hate us because they need us.

I find the statement of the U.S. becoming a nation similar to the UK more suitable. A power among nations, but not the most powerful of nations.

We are already consolidating our forces and downsizing them. The military is looking at moving its troops from Korea and Japan to Guam. Our guys in Turkey will be reloacted in Germany and then be pulled closer to home in the Azores.

The US is pushing for world involvement in Iraq so we can get our trrops out. Then, they too will be sent back home or relocated to Guam.

Why do you think we refuse to talk to North Korea directly?

The War On Terrorism should be referred to as Afghanistan.

Iraq is a mistake that 60% of American people want corrected. We wont be a large presence there next year, because even if Bush wins re-election, this fact is blatantly obvious.

If your going to make a statement, try to make it an educated one.



[Edited on 14-5-2004 by crisko]


reply posted on 19-5-2004 @ 12:23 PM by TenPin
Basically I don't see much of a future for the USA. Up until now it has had the top economic card and the top military card. It is shortly about to lose its economic card so it is keen to show it still has its military card.

US National Debt = $7,147,545,929,573.40

Or if you like $7.1 Trillion.

Not to mention the $500 billion a year trade deficit.

www.publicdebt.treas.gov...

Once you add in military retirement payments, Social Security (empty "trust fund"), etc., the national debt is probably more like $30 trillion.

All that American debt testifies to the USA's free ticket to creating dollars out of thin air. As long as they aren't spent in the USA, the USA can effectively pay interest in dollars on the dollars it borrows back from the whole world, ie. it has free loans and is paying funny money for foreign goods and services... for the time being.

Dunno what the EU National debt is but the EU runs at a trade surplus. The Euro is a lesser reserve currency but you can't buy oil directly with Euros (yet). When you can it will be the only real reserve currency.

Once you see the Euro as a reserve and oil currency you can kiss the US economy goodbye. Just look at Iraq for an example of what happens to a country that starts trading oil for Euros.

Once the rest of the world wakes up and starts trying to get out of the dollar for whatever reason (oil peak, war, terror attacks), allllll that cash will flow back to the USA and cause hyperinflation.

The mysterious process that would cause the US economy to collapse is the change in exchange rates. While US dollars are the reserve currency in which oil is traded, all nations need to ensure that they have a fistful of dollars in reserve with which they can buy oil. This means that the US treasury can print and spend dollars and can get goods in return while being confident that most of these dollars are safely tied up in foreign national banks and will not be "cashed in" against the US reserves. In effect the US has literally been able to print money since the gold standard was abolished.

If Euros become the new reserve currency, all of a sudden there will be a whole lot of dollars used to pay off any trade balances with the US. Instead of getting goods in return for paper, the US will start to get paper in return for goods. The final effect will be massive inflation in the US and a plummeting dollar on the international exchange markets.

Yes, the USA is heading for complete financial collapse taking most of the world with it leaving the EU to emerge as the dominant economic world power.

If you look at history currency systems have only ever lasted about 30 years so we are long overdue for a complete crash since the USA stopped backing the dollar with gold in the 1970s.

It's been a fun last 50 years but the party is almost over !


reply posted on 19-5-2004 @ 03:34 PM by SkipShipman
Centralizing government and expanding it beyond reason, is ostensibly the worst mistake at any time in any historical era.

Since fewer and fewer people govern, the chances that psychopaths will determine the destiny of the rest of people who are basically social personalities are greatly increased. If such people institutionalize their psychopathic tendencies, and lock it in with technologies, the next 100 even the next 1000 years will be hell on earth even for extreme few who think they are in "control."

The only hope for most people during this critical juncture is to quietly isolate, and trick such obsolete oligargical characters into simulations, where they are so called "satisfied;" hence diverting them from effective contact with the "real world." The rest of us must proceed with local control, economics, and life support systems. There is no greater danger than pooling resources so that a few sociopaths and psychopaths as we well witnessed last century, would produce continuing future ruin for others at the pretext of some alleged "profit," and selfishness.

Above all one must call for local interest, even self interest, without the cost of extreme intrusion of any C4I2 structure.

This is therefore a call to some form such as a "Solaris," that produces an appropriate index of safety on each local level, without intrusive "security."

A huge set of laws that favor psychopaths at the so called "top," while punishing the whistleblowers, and mostly innocent bystanders, is approximately the current state of affairs.

One could centralize without making decisions in perpetuity that imprison authority as much as the greater good.

The best a central government or authority can do is offer optimal but entirely voluntary suggestions of a better way. Peer review on a broad based level, and transparency may overcome some reservations, but local government and less of it will always depend upon actual education, not upon the dumbed down processes and substitutes we currently submit.

One good observer who awakens us is the only acceptable "central authority," at any given time, but we must never make anyone or any governing process so indispensable that it deals out blindness and daily contradiction of reality. By the same token, faith without vision and without love is doomed to failure either in the spiritual or the material world.

[Edited on 23-5-2004 by SkipShipman]
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