Warnings From The Benevolents!

I will get back to the rest of everyone's questions later tonight or within a 24hr period.

I'm putting up the "24hr period" just in case, to play it safe since I have been quite busy lately with other things so I apologize for the delay in getting back to everyone!

Best Wishes!
ET_MAN





[edit on 23-10-2009 by ET_MAN]

Originally posted by ET_MAN
reply to post by FiatLux

 

Hi again Fiatflux,

Correct ET_MAN, I wrote that line just for you. Just remember what you said here, when you try and pass off what your selling as truth. It works both ways, for your opinions, and for those whos opinions are not the same as yours.

The only difference between other people’s opinions and some of what I've shared is they are exactly that “opinions” based on "opinions". Some of what I've share is not based on my opinion but on first hand knowledge/experience, now I realize by me saying this it will upset many of you but I am telling you the way it is. You are not required to believe anything I have written, the main reason I came to ATS in the first place was to share what I know about the future and provide information that I know will help people make preparations mentally, physically and most importantly “Spiritually”. To be forewarned is to be forearmed!

What you tell is based only on your reality alone, not ours. For someone who is so 'enlightened", even you should know that. As for your so called first hand knowledge/experience, that tells us nothing what so ever. What you said did not upset me at all, but your words DO give you away.

Originally posted by ET_MAN
reply to post by FBIRyan

 

Hi FBIRyan,

"Nobody leaves the physical body without approval/escort as well."
Do I need remind anyone what the astral realm is?

Perhaps you would like to share an experience?

That sounds like your accusing me of lying. OBEs are real though, as you've experienced them yourself. So why would you accuse me of doing something that's quite possible, unless, perhaps, you don't believe it is yourself. (Which would mean the below statement you made is false.)

I've astral projected enough times to say that this is not true.

If you have experienced an OBE (Outer body experience) there is "No Doubt" it was approved by someone (allowing you access) monitoring you whether your aware of it or not. Every “soul” on earth is continually watched over/monitored. Teachers/Creators/Designers that see “Future” know your choices/actions beforehand. They can intervene with certain people at certain times in their lives assisting their direction in order to avoid certain circumstances/outcome everything depending on reason/purpose of why that particular “soul’ is here and what they are meant to experience.

Okay. Let's say that what your saying is true. That would mean that sometimes I'd be not allowed to have an OBE, when I tried. However, I've never tried to have an OBE, and then fail at it.
Let's say someone decided to have an OBE.
They get in their bed, start meditating, etc.
Their just about to have an OBE, but wait, they don't have clearance to do so. So they just sit there, trying to have an OBE, but nothing happens.
What your stating is that something is preventing you from moving your own spirit/body!
Did you know, that half the time your asleep, if not all the time, your really out of your body? So, I guess that's why people have sleeping problems, as they don't have clearance to leave their body, so they can't sleep.
Do you see how absurd your theory sounds?

You might as well say that you can't die without approval or an escort, as that'd involve leaving the body as well.

You can’t die without approval or an escort. That is exactly what I’m saying.

I can kill myself right now; are you saying that, if I did, it'd only be because it was approved? That's the most laughable theory I've ever heard. (Besides the one that stated the atmosphere was made out of glass.)

Before you make a response, do some actual research before you reply to me, that way you might come up with, at the least, a half-assed retort.

Why would I research statements made by current human understanding of theory/assumption/speculation when I have first hand experience/knowledge of such things. You are not required to believe a word I say but I will stand up for what I know to be "True".

This theory you've just stated is nothing more than a GUESS.
Have you spoken to these things that watch over us, and only allow you to have an OBE when they want you to?
Obviously not.
You haven't experienced it at first hand, although it might of seemed like you've were 'allowed to OBE', there's no proof that you were just having an OBE all these times, and that there was nothing judging whether or not you could've had one.
So, then, you've gotten this theory by knowledge from either a guess you've made, or a guess someone else has made.

You keep stating that everything you say is, indeed, true, but you show no proof for quite a few of your statements. You reply with, "It's your choice to believe me or not." Well, you must have proof, otherwise you wouldn't believe it yourself. (Unless you were just making it all up, or this entire thing is just guesses, which you claim their not.)
So, then, why not share these proofs you have with us?
Because the majority of it all is fake.

[edit on 23-10-2009 by FBIRyan]

reply to post by FiatLux


Hi FiatLux,

What you tell is based only on your reality alone, not ours.

That is why I don’t expect you to take my word for anything I've said alone and if I were in your shoes I would do the same thing. Only you can find what your looking for within yourself and through your own personal experience/journey. Please keep in mind, I am only answering the questions that were asked of me, nothing more!

As for your so called first hand knowledge/experience, that tells us nothing what so ever.

You did ask, those who have asked questions I have willingly answered what I know from my own experience/knowledge but I have stated many times that if I'm not sure of something or do not know the answer I will tell you flat out. "That is my opinion or that is what I think or I’m not sure!" When it comes to people leaving the body I am absolutely 100% certain in my own mind/soul/experience or I wouldn’t write it the way I did. Whether people are aware/realize it or not anyone who leaves the physical body or planet is allowed to do so. Humans on earth do not have as much freedom in that aspect as they may think and earth is under a type of quarantine on many levels. This is part of the reason why most came here in the first place and it's all part of life's test.

Your words DO give you away.

As you know I am under zero obligation to continue answering questions, please keep in mind I have merely answered questions that were asked. I think you should realize/recognize that I have gone the extra mile to continue answering people’s questions here willingly. Nobody forced me to come here and in return nobody is forced to believe anything I have shared. If you do have a question I will answer it to the best of my ability. If I know the sun will rise tomorrow I will state it as such “That I know” and if I don’t know the answer to your question I will state it as such “I don’t know." (You can take that or leave it but remember I didn't ask the questions and I am giving you the most honest answer to the best of my knowledge/ability.)

but your words DO give you away.

Fiatflux, you have been at it for a long time now in this thread.
Asking me questions then seeking faults in my answers, now do you really have a question for me or just more comments?

Thanks









[edit on 24-10-2009 by ET_MAN]

Hi ET_Man,

A most interesting set of circumstances, evident both in your reports of things to come, and the emotional defenses observed in this thread.

I have a simple set of questions.

What would be the best way to initiate a dialogue with those watching over me, and begin traveling outside of my body? Is dreaming important in this process?

Thanks in advance,
MK

Et man if im not mistaken you have not given the source of your information. WHAT aliens contacted you and from what solar system or Galaxy are they from, or are they spiritual beings?

reply to post by ET_MAN

Fiatflux, you have been at it for a long time now in this thread.
Asking me questions then trying to find faults in my answers, now do you really have a question for me or just more comments?

There is no trying to find fault in your answers. They are very plain to see. First, your timeline is off. Your dates are set to soon. It`s more in line with around 2015, after the shift in awareness, when there will be fewer people here.

As for questions? No, I found at a young age, that others don`t have the answers to all things, and we need to stop looking to others for them, when the answers are all within us.

There is one thing I do want to ask, where does the word gut come from? As in gut feeling.

reply to post by FBIRyan


Hi FBIRyan,

That sounds like your accusing me of lying.

Not at all, many people experience OBE’s some unknowingly at times, I just thought you might want to share one of your experiences.

OBEs are real though, as you've experienced them yourself.

Absolutely but most of my experiences are not from OBE’s or dream states. I do not really meditate, astral project or even seek to have OBE’s. but I realize many out there do and some are successful while others are not.

So why would you accuse me of doing something that's quite possible, unless, perhaps, you don't believe it is yourself.

I think you completely took what I wrote out of context, OBE’s happen with many people in many various ways. (Reasons/Purpose)

Okay. Let's say that what your saying is true. That would mean that sometimes I'd be not allowed to have an OBE, when I tried.

If your were not allowed to have them you wouldn’t.

Let's say someone decided to have an OBE.
They get in their bed, start meditating, etc.
Their just about to have an OBE, but wait, they don't have clearance to do so. So they just sit there, trying to have an OBE, but nothing happens.

That’s exactly what would happen if that particular persons guide or those in charge of an individual watching over them did not allow access. Nothing would happen!

What your stating is that something is preventing you from moving your own spirit/body!

Exactly!
Metaphorically speaking the physical body/container is like earth for all physical bodies. Both are classrooms and the door is “LOCKED” The only way you get out of your physical classroom “Body” or earth “Classroom” is by way of the Teachers unlocking/approving it for you. Every individual differs on “soul level” and why they came to earth and what lessons they have to learn, it is necessary for some to have OBE’s and a lot more can go on than meets the memory/eye. (Reasons/Purpose)

Did you know, that half the time your asleep, if not all the time, your really out of your body?

Not all the time but thanks for bringing this into the discussion, OBE’s happen mostly in dream states in many various/different ways usually always (unrealized/un-knowingly) with “blank” or little to no memory/recollection. The dreams you remember are not always the dreams you dreamt! The ideas you dreamt while asleep are not always your ideas. Uploading can occur for people just depending on their particular situation/circumstance/test and what they are on earth to learn/experience- everyone differing one to another. Informational/spiritual uploads on many levels can take place while people are deep asleep in which many cases they do leave their physical bodies reaching other dimensions unaware/un-realizing/unknowingly (in most cases)! But if they want you to remember or have a clear memory of something like meeting with deceased family members you will. You can only take back so much into the memory/mind and someone (usually a guide/family member assigned to you) determines what you take back when your away if there is a reason/purpose in allowing you to remember something. Everything out there on “soul level” is interconnected to you so technically all beings are “family/relatives.” That is how the much higher dimensional beings view each one of us as “Equal opportunists” “family” but that doesn’t mean they will not allow bad things to happen because technically it is not them but you who brought bad things upon yourself through choice and consequence to your own actions whether in this lifetime or another.

Everyone is still simply a toddler on a journey/path working their way up to higher grade/level like a preschooler working to move up to 1st grade. Everyone has weaknesses or they would never have been placed on earth in the first place. The goal/mission is to make those weaknesses become strengths and learn for yourself what is “Eternal” and important, come to a realization that all materialistic things are “Un-important” “Meaningless” “Temporal” and simply die/wither away because you will leave them all behind and they are good for nothing on the other side. Everyone’s time will come and this life will seem/be perceived as if a short 1hr class upon leaving the physical world “reality” “illusion” and the recess bell rings. Keep life in the right perspective and don’t repeat pre-school again because many have repeated this same class/pre-school many times before and never seem to really learn those lessons necessary/they came to learn. Once a bad habit almost always a bad habit, start looking to change those weaknesses/bad habits and make them strengths. Prove to yourself and all those above watching your every move what your made of. Make it your goal to graduate because it doesn’t make a difference to the Teachers/Designers/Creators/Family who are in Super College overlooking all the lower grades/levels/schools. As far as they’re concerned they have all the time in the world for you to graduate. Remember “TIME” does not exist for them so take a million years if you need to or learn your lessons now and move up. To them it makes zero difference it will only seem like an instant from higher perspective- it’s your life, your choice, it’s your stall.

So, I guess that's why people have sleeping problems, as they don't have clearance to leave their body, so they can't sleep.

That makes a good joke. Lol

I can kill myself right now; are you saying that, if I did, it'd only be because it was approved?

Every individual has freewill/free-choice to act including choice to kill themselves if they decide to make that choice but if it wasn’t your time to go for a reason/purpose then you wouldn’t be allowed to die but the Teachers/Creators/Designers due to freewill would allow you to take a stab at it-if you can. Since all things in this existence are known beforehand if one was to choose to take their own life it would be pre-known and (I could never tell you all reasons of why they would allow this to happen as every individual would differ one from another in circumstance/situation) but perhaps this was in the best interest under the circumstances or necessary for that particular individual “soul” to learn and start all over or perhaps it was a consequence to their own actions and justified, some people after doing horrible things to others turn on themselves and do horrible things to themselves and some even abuse/rape/kill and only years later turn on themselves and take their own life. Things are pre-known/seen beforehand by the Teachers/Creators/Designers so with this understanding you would think all things are acted upon accordingly and pre-determined on a certain level. That does not mean you do not have freewill, free-choice to act and determine your own future or path in life it only means that those choices you are making and will make have already been seen/viewed from a higher perspective and decisions/approvals and allowances have been pre-determined for each individuals life to suit that particular individual.

From human perspective/understanding/perception one remembers the past and views the present with no understanding of future certainty. To occupants of earth due to the condition of the finite/limited mind all things are in “motion” or seem to be in “motion” going forwards in time every tick of the clock, each second of the day. The “motion awareness” is “Illusion” and perception created and given to you and part of the program/test that you signed up to take. Your reality is frequency/informational/light/signal sent to you that determines your perception/vision/awareness/consciousness. You have freewill/free choice but if I were to bluntly tell you that your freewill/free-choice (Metaphorically Speaking) is the same as someone walking their “dog” around the block. The block is the dogs pathway, the pathway/street is earth, the dog is the physical body and every “Dog’ is on a leash. Ultimately the “dog” moves and is given allowance to make free choice on where to walk/go but in some cases the “Teacher/Friend” holding the leash will tighten the rope and not allow the “dog” to walk a certain way or he will allow the “dog” to get into trouble to learn a particular lesson necessary so it will not repeat again thus turning a weakness into a strength. Cleverly the “Teacher/Friend” walking the “dog” is continually trying to teach the “dog’ new tricks/lessons so to speak and even giving the dog a treat/bone as a reward when it learns something/progresses. The “Teacher/Friend” has the best intention in mind for the dog but if that “dog” wants to live with the rest of the other “dogs” as in- “all dogs go to heaven” it first must learn to be tame, pure, kind, and be potty trained. Lol I hope you get the point of this metaphor and I won’t go into the negative opposition part of this test/journey/pathway called life but on the positive side all of us are continually being watched over/monitored at all times on a leash and some things are allowed and others are not allowed to happen for a reason/purpose.

We are all being prepped/taught but do not take this in the wrong way like we are pets on a leash or puppets being pulled by strings. Though it can be perceived in such a way it certainly is not the case and everything happening is for the betterment/progression of each individual. You are on a journey to better lands in fact you have NO IDEA what is awaiting if you can only become more pure in heart and make your weakness’s become strengths. Things available and awaiting those ready are beyond all human understanding/comprehension. Imagine creating your own personalized world or galaxy just for you and the family in much higher dimensions that is made of pure magical stuff where all things are possible with zero limitations and pure blissful feelings of incomprehensible pure joy/happiness not to mention beyond all comprehension types of fun. The finite human mind cannot even begin to comprehend or understand the possibility of such implications/possibilities of “infinity” “no limits” “No boundaries” All things possible in accordance with the higher laws. Where anything you can possibly imagine in that little head of yours is out there already and WAY MORE than anything you could ever come up with. Much greater than anything you could ever conceptualize/imagine with all the human imagination put together. Maybe this will open up that door for some of you to think more about it and ponder opening up your consciousness to higher possibilities/something else. Dream A Dream, go ahead because someday that dream will/can come true for you and much greater things than anything you can possibly imagine/Dream up in this lifetime. Technically there is a Santa Clause if you look at it metaphorically “Someone is watching who’s being naughty and who’s being nice” so you better watch out, you better not cry, you better not pout and I’m telling you why “All dogs/humans” someday find heaven. (endless utopia worlds/existences/dimensions/universe’s) Buzz light year had it right when he said. “To infinity and beyond” because there is always something beyond!


Now I know this may all sound hard to believe, I’m doing my best to explain it the best way I possibly can. Every choice you’ve made is seen and pre-known in higher places due to the absence of “Time” and the Teachers/Creators/Designers have reviewed your life before you technically lived it and some of you had a glimpse/peak into your own lives before coming to earth. To comprehend “time” and the absence of time seeing past, present, future simultaneously you would need to be taken into much higher dimensions. I’m just as limited as everyone else in fully comprehending what “Infinity” and absence of “Time” without “Beginning” and “Ending” really means. I can only simply understand the basic concepts of it of what has been given/allowed for me to remember like the rest of everyone else with limited access. I’ve been allowed to remember/know the basic concepts of how things work but being in a physical body just like everyone else with a finite/limited memory/mind I am in the same “Finite’ boat as the rest of you until the bell rings for recess/lunch break! What kind of lunch did you pack?

Sometimes “De Ja Vu” is a reminder of that feeling of you somehow knowing you have experienced/seen that moment before or been there somehow/experienced that point within your life. Sometimes it is a reminder that you are in the right place or on the right path at the right time specifically for you. It may all seem so familiar at times for some people. There are many experiences that could partly backup some of what I’m suggesting about suicide situations found in NDE’s (Near Death Experiences) but I could never prove any of this in the same way nobody could ever prove any of this while remaining in the physical “realm/illusion” as it deals with “Infinity” without beginning or ending and zero “Time”. I’m simply answering your questions to the best of my ability. Here is a site on NDE’s that have a few stories of suicide’s www.near-death.com... you can scroll down to NDE’s and Suicides section and read a few. You might find some of them interesting!

That's the most laughable theory I've ever heard. (Besides the one that stated the atmosphere was made out of glass.)

Never heard the atmosphere made out of glass theory but I have heard the earth is round theory and that used to be the most laughable theory around in the same way much of what is believed on earth could be considered “laughable” to many on higher levels and when we discuss higher dimensions every finite/limited mind for the most part is completely left in the dark. You are viewing/seeing things from a finite human perspective/perception/awareness, try to step out of the “finite” box for a minute and think about what “Zero Time” really means/implies. Can you even begin to understand/comprehend that everything on this planet all past, present and future time-lines/times simultaneously exist? If you could begin to understand or see past limits/boundaries and time you would have a much easier time comprehending. Unfortunately the human mind/brain/memory is limited/locked and does not have that capability so it sounds hard to understand/comprehend that all things exist right here and now on earth and everything in between from past, present to future as “Time” is merely another “Illusion” within an “Illusion” Try teaching a monkey Chinese and the theory of relativity. Imagine every day or a 24hr period of each day that has ever existed in the past is running all at the same time each day having it’s own TV screen side by side clicking next to each other second by second -with all days running simultaneously all at once let’s just pretend it’s all in one big gigantic super computer system. Getting warmer-Marco-Polo. Review an Einstein quote:

"Now he has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion." Einstein clearly had insight- some of it right there in your face, I wonder why! Certainly there is always a reason/purpose why certain knowledge is given/revealed to man. Will anyone bite?

I enjoy this one as well: “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity,”Albert Einstein! Lol I’m sure the Teachers/Creators/Family can relate to that one or perhaps that was inspired from them to him for everyone. Lol

This theory you've just stated is nothing more than a GUESS.

Is that your guess? Lol

Have you spoken to these things that watch over us, and only allow you to have an OBE when they want you to?

If you were in my shoes and had physically gone to places that I have been and seen what I’ve seen you most definitely would understand where I’m coming from.

You haven't experienced it at first hand, although it might of seemed like you've were 'allowed to OBE', there's no proof that you were just having an OBE all these times, and that there was nothing judging whether or not you could've had one.

Please direct me to where I have previously shared an experience of having an OBE? I think you previously mentioned you read up to page 10.

So, then, you've gotten this theory by knowledge from either a guess you've made, or a guess someone else has made.

I’ve written what I’ve written, you can take some of it if you like or leave it. Everyone has freewill opportunity to choose for themselves, there is no force here only patience, love, kindness, compassion, understanding, forgiveness and all the positive good things and in some cases “Long Suffering” lol Everyone will learn for themselves regardless of what the Teachers/Creators/Designers want them to learn, nothing is forced upon anyone- but they do throw a bone out in the street every now and then to redirect traffic usually for each dog to find and lick/bite as an appetizer! Happy trails of progression to you my friend!

You keep stating that everything you say is, indeed, true, but you show no proof for quite a few of your statements.

Only I can know for myself, through my own experience, only you can know what’s true for yourself through your own experience. Metaphorically speaking unless you have been to the far side of the moon personally how would you really know what is on the far side of the moon? You can guess/speculate or believe someone’s theory but until you physically actually go to the far side of the moon and see it, experience it, feel it for yourself you will never truly know.

You reply with, "It's your choice to believe me or not."

Exactly!

Well, you must have proof,

Please explain why I must have proof?

So, then, why not share these proofs you have with us?

Would it help you out if I provide pictures of all “non-terrestrial” “not of this world” objects/craft/beings visiting earth first? Maybe Obama is up for a quick picture with the little lower level guys.Then perhaps a nice relaxing 2hr DVD of the space/time-continuum theoretically speaking with an update/sampling new data for you to crunch on while bending/manipulating/interfolding/re-shaping “time/space” tucking it away for a “moment” I mean “temporarily forever”- into higher wormy type-light-holes at beyond lightish/warpish “speeds” passing through the upper higher onion ring (I like em fried how about you?) layers into higher levels/dimensions we go. I’ll work on that right now and see if they will allow me to pick you up for a little spin/personal demonstration. Is that what you were hoping for? Or were you expecting a really hot higher dimensional chick to show up and take you out for a nice ride/tour around the solar system showing you everything you are currently incapable of viewing/perceiving at this time due to the so called “informational light/electrical signals” received/interpreted by the human finite hardware/mind/brain that interprets your vision/reality awareness/consciousness of what’s all around you and your perception/vision/reality of space/time- did I forget the 5 senses or was it 9? I wonder if this damn clearance/license issued to me still works “Oh Wait” what am I thinking I’m under quarantine of the body and planet just like the rest of everyone. Damn, as Doc in back to the future put it. “Damn-Damn.” I better start sending emergency signals to the mothers in higher dimensions, you see they don’t need mother ships in higher dimensions they only need mothers- I sure hope they quickly approve/update/get me that clearance/license for interstellar dreamland travel, this damn planet is not as fun as it used to be when your an occupant living here in the same way that it’s funner walking the dog than actually being the dog.Lol

Because the majority of it all is fake.

Freewill is a good thing, one chooses to believe even judge anything they want. On a final note remember it’s you who ultimately decides, it’s you who is making your own decisions and following your own path that affects your own perception/consciousness/awareness outcome in life. Nobody is forcing you down that road but if your chain gets pulled every now and then you must know/realize it’s only for your own good.

Dream a Dream:
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Best Wishes/Dreams!


[edit on 24-10-2009 by ET_MAN]

Originally posted by Moreonethananyone
Nobody is allowed to leave earth without non-terrestrial approval, that goes for every vehicle passing through the van allen. Nobody leaves the physical body without approval/escort as well.

Could you explain that in a bit more detail please,as in why and who does the guiding.many thanks

Hi Moreonethananyone,

I just gave a more detailed description (above post) I hope that fills in a few more blanks!

Originally posted by MKULTRA
Hi ET_Man,

Hi MK,

A most interesting set of circumstances, evident both in your reports of things to come, and the emotional defenses observed in this thread.

If there is anything I've written that appears/seems to be coming from an emotional defense on my part then I have completely been misinterpreted. I have no reason to become emotional over questions let alone defend what I've written. I already knew what to expect when coming here and sharing what I have beforehand-most of the replies/skeptism/even sarcasm is completely understood/expected and actually if I was in the viewers shoes not having experienced what I have I would probably feel the same way, I can't really blame them. I can discuss, answer more questions and share more things but that is as far as I can really go. Ultimately it will never come down to what ET_MAN says alone but it should only come down to what you can personally verify/research/confirm for yourselves through your own personal knowledge/research/intuitions/guidance/experiences.

I have a simple set of questions.
What would be the best way to initiate a dialogue with those watching over me, and begin traveling outside of my body?

First you need to have intent and for the right reasons! Every thought you have can be heard in the same way one can tune into a radio station on certain individual frequency. All your thoughts can continually be monitored/heard/observed so through "thought" you can send intent. Talk to those watching/observing you from your mind through "thought" or "Prayer" send requests in the same way one prays. Tell them when your having a bad day and ask for guidance/council/direction. Thank them for the good things you have in life and pray for those around you and loved one's not being only focused on yourself. Stay grateful and focused on the right things which are not materialistic and ask for more awareness/spiritual knowledge. If you ask for things you have a better chance of receiving. I have had people recently tell me they instantly received incredible dreams after connecting with those who are watching/monitoring/guiding. It can be done, it doesn't necessarily mean it will happen for everyone but if you are genuine/sincere about learning more and connecting with "intent" to become a better person then you will be assisted- in your own individual way.

Make sure you have made amends with everyone from your past/present- having a clear conscience, with zero guilt, shame, hate, anger, regret or anything that is possibly weighing you down. You need to forgive everyone, admit all your faults with everyone and verbally tell them or write them admitting your faults and asking for forgiveness. Verbally or in writing telling people you forgive them not only forgiving them in your hearts/minds but letting them know you forgive them. Dropping the "Ego" and letting go of the "Pride" you need to clear your mind, heart and soul and feel light inside before you can clearly tune-in/listen to that still small voice inside of you. Find that part of your inner "soul heart' that connects you to higher places and guides/directs you. That is your channel and in order to tune into that frequency you need to feel clean/free inside on a conscience/soul level.

Is dreaming important in this process?

Dreaming is an important way to connect with your inner/higher consciousness and guides. Stay in tune with your inner self, "Your soul Heart" that is your inner feeling. Use that to direct you in all things, get in the habit of feeling things out first before quickly/hastily acting upon thought.

Thanks in advance,
MK

Your welcome!
Best Wishes.

Originally posted by fallenearth
Et man if im not mistaken you have not given the source of your information. WHAT aliens contacted you and from what solar system or Galaxy are they from, or are they spiritual beings?

Hi Fallenearth,

Out of personal/preference/choice I have never fully shared everything about some of my experiences but I will say that I have met many different types of beings "Not of this world" as I have been taken to many other existences/worlds and dimensions.

There are a few websites still in the making that will deal with strictly facts/evidence coming from sources that you can verify/research for yourselves having to do with "wormwood" and future earth changes.

Nothing will be coming from ET_MAN on this site: www.earthchanges2011.com... everything will be strictly dealing with facts/evidence coming from credible/verifiable sources. I suggest those of you interested in learning about the future and things expected to come in 2011 check up on that site in the near future. I will update this thread when all the information has been added/uploaded.

There is another site some members on ATS put together for me at www.unityfortruth.com... I will be adding more information there in the near future, you can also contact me at [email protected] or I will be answering more questions on this thread.

www.poleshift2011.com...

Best Wishes!
ET_MAN

Originally posted by ET_MAN

Every individual has freewill/free-choice to act including choice to kill themselves if they decide to make that choice but if it wasn’t your time to go for a reason/purpose then you wouldn’t be allowed to die but the Teachers/Creators/Designers due to freewill would allow you to take a stab at it-if you can.

Free will is an illusion. Free choice is an illusion as well. The astrological program is very precise. Humans need to bend the rules of that program in order to start having free will/choice. The polarity in the human consciousness is part of the cosmic lie that keeps us under the domination of the astral world.
The karmic contract with our source (cosmic double) needs to be broken in order to set ourselves free from any and all manipulations.

It`s no wonder your timeline dates are off ET_MAN, your using Nibiru as your source. Can we say......disinfo? Wow, I can`t believe your using this as a source. Oh I know, your going to say your contacts say it`s true. Makes one wonder what kind of contacts you talk to. Disinfo agents anyone? I`d be happy to talk to your contacts ET_MAN, because I have a pretty good feeling who and what these so called contacts are.

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Hi Lagenese,

You never really posted a question just a few comments but I take it you wanted a response on some of them. I have included both of your posts in this one and thanks for sharing your thoughts!

All events in the physical experience of the souls are written in advance.

Technically from a higher perspective you could say that but from human perspective on earth each individual “Soul” is making choices and writing it out from what is understood by an individual as they go along.

As long as the astrological program keeps running, we are prisoners of the physical realm and therefore, we must return to the astral sphere.

It really all depends on your definition/perception of what you consider to be a prisoner?
If you mean prisoner from being able to leave the body and earth at will without the capability of doing so then it’s true everyone down here is locked up in the classroom called earth thus you could call this a prison planet or the school planet both are under quarantine. I prefer calling it the school planet because we are learning here and every individual with a “soul” is here for a specific reason/purpose. I like to look at this life from a different angle/perspective. Most are here because they chose to come here and are experiencing exactly what they needed to experience in order to reach higher levels/places that eventually bring greater things and happiness to a “Soul” through eternal progression. So even though earth is in lock down mode with limitations and many rules so are many schools for many children who are being supervised and they are there for a reason/purpose and remain in the freewill zone to act/choose for themselves within the rules/limitations of that school zone.

When the experience of the soul is sufficient, awareness is the next step in our own evolution.

Evolution from human perspective is “Illusion” what science understands about micro/macro evolution is mere “Illusion.” Even though human eyes believe they see/verify evolutionary changes occurring and believe they can prove changes taking place that is only according to human understanding/perception. The changes are not happening in the way man perceives them to be occurring. But for the meantime that is what most believe and are aware of therefore it’s only real/true within their own individual minds according to their own limited/finite-perception/knowledge/understanding.

That awareness is closely followed by consciousness. The higher the vibration, the higher the consciousness.

Most things can be viewed from different angles/perspectives according to one’s awareness/consciousness/knowledge depending on level of understanding/perception. The human perspective is naturally different than the higher perspective of viewing things so can be interpreted in many different ways. Awareness and consciousness are really only two little words that man gave definitions to in order to understand awareness to the best of their ability. What is really taking place on a consciousness level is much more complex and greater than an entire dictionary of words so to really explain it let alone understand it is a tough thing from human perspective. All a person can really do is reason to the best of their current level/ability of awareness/knowledge/understanding and try to make sense of it.

Awareness of manipulations from the invisible spheres is essential for mankind for it is the only way to elevate our vibratory level.

Please explain what you mean by invisible spheres?

Influences from the memory of the human race also prevents humans to attain consciousness.

Please explain what memories you are referring to?

Consciousness is also an individual process. Nobody can make anyone conscious.

I’ll try to stick with human perception on this one because it can be seen from both perspectives. True that an individual ultimately has freewill to act and choose that leads to higher consciousness depending on a variety of things revolving around that persons circumstances in life and individual choices/actions. False in the sense that if a higher intelligence/being wanted to enlighten someone they could do it in a flash but it’s not about them giving us awareness/consciousness it’s more about us learning/experiencing it for ourselves but it can be done. Like planting an apple tree and letting it grow with expectation of it someday producing fruit- or skipping the process altogether snapping your fingers and magically creating the fruit. Just because someone has a higher awareness/consciousness doesn’t necessarily mean they can handle it or are ready for it.

We all have our program to follow, until we can brake the rules of the program.

Best of luck in trying to break out of the program there is only one way out and that is through death or suicide but even death and suicide can be out of a persons hands whether they see-it/realize it or not. It’s easy to think you will just shoot yourself but “will you really go through with it?” It’s easy to theoretically reason about such a thing but much different when actually doing it, would you really pull the trigger? Most cannot do it and those in higher places “ALREADY KNOW” they can’t do it and won’t do it.

The last minute clip of this movie gives you a small idea of how the Teachers/Creators/Designers have foreknowledge of everything you do before you do it.

The Game Of Life.
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The Teachers/Creators/Designers have already viewed and seen your life in the same way some of you have had a glimpse of your life before you came down here if you could only remember. “De ja vu” can be a small taste of that awareness/recollection sometimes. Just because a person has a glimpse of the future doesn’t mean they can skip the living/experiencing process or don’t have to live/experience it. This life has to be experienced/lived at one point or another or it could never be seen beforehand and would never exist in the first place.

Look at it from higher perspective isn’t it nice to have a glimpse of the outcome before you come down to earth, to have a type of intuition/foreknowledge premonition of the future? It’s a blessing/gift to have some kind of foreknowledge to know that whatever happens don’t worry about being born on earth everything will work out for you in the long run. Having foreknowledge can be an insurance policy/protection/gift from those in higher places and it’s wisdom to see the outcome of an event and plan ahead on a project/creation such as designing a universe for particular reasons/purpose knowing why it was created and how it will finish before it’s created. In the same way someone creates a program or video game knowing how the ending of that game will end because they personally designed the game and it can’t end in any other way. They wrote the language and coded the system, they created/designed the program knowing their own creation but the people experiencing/playing that game are unaware of what happens next and have no idea what to expect in the end but rest assured the Teachers/Creators/Designers know exactly how that game will end because they are the creators/programmers and specifically wrote it’s code and pre-viewed it’s outcome before releasing it.

All things were created/designed with specific purpose/intention in mind and the ending of such creations will end EXACTLY, as it was intended/designed to end. Technically there is no ending or beginning in the way man perceives these two words to be but there is an endless creation within creation and all things upgrade/downgrade or transform/change. The end result of temporal/mortal life experiences will work out for the better from an eternal perspective whether one can see it/realize it or not according to the original Creators/Teachers/Designers plans that are “ENDLESS” and “INFINITE” beyond anything the human finite mind can ever comprehend/understand. Metaphorically speaking the “game” designed/created is mortal life on planets such as earth that were never intended to be easy. This school/game/test was designed/setup to be difficult but within balance of both good and bad experiences.

The many programs running within this world that act accordingly upon that particular “Soul individual” according to what they were intended to face/experience/learn while on earth. Some of you may ask why is my life so hard in comparison to others? If some only knew what they committed themselves to before birth they would greatly be surprised. Many of you out there had the opportunity to choose beforehand particular things you wanted to experience and some of you were overly “Brave” in choosing. You wanted to prove to yourself you could overcome/accomplish/achieve and make it through your particular situations/hardships/trials in life so here you are now but with no recollection of ever having made that preexistence choice. Are some of you discouraged, overwhelmed, depressed or giving up in life due to the many trials, tribulations and hardships? Or are you going to find a better way and “master” what you came down here for? You are far greater and stronger than you have believed yourself to be and can overcome many more obstacles/adversities than you ever believed yourself to be capable of. Find that knowledge within yourself, feel the vibrations and connections to your true “Eternal” Self and stand strong in the light remaining positive in all things under all circumstances. Rest assured you are continually being directed/guided and watched over. Hang in there those in higher places above interconnected and family believe in you and know you can overcome the hardships of this existence/life/school/test. Chin up and be of good cheer in all things even in your darkest hours knowing that regardless of whatever could possibly happen to you nobody can take away where your “soul” goes after this experience back to higher/greater/peaceful/happier places with family/friends awaiting you.

Everything is much more planned/coordinated than people think. From human perspective one sees things as chance, accident, luck, pure coincidence because one doesn’t realize what is really going on behind the scenes and all that is really taking place just to keep a heart beating for example at roughly 72 times per minute.
There is much more going on behind all life experience that humans completely take for granted and do not even see/realize is happening. Most are not even truly aware of the simplest of things happening all around them. Each individual “Soul” is on it’s own path for the most part and many are completely unaware of the many gifts/miracles of life that are found everywhere around them, in them, on them, above them/about them.

Take the time each day to really question, ponder and recognize the many gifts such as the very “air” you breathe. Look at life with a new perception and mind of greater higher awareness/understanding and appreciation. Thank the Creators/Teachers/Designers above for all things. Address them however you choose “God” “Gods” “The Creation” “Nature” “Consciousness” “The One” “Father In Heaven” “Family In Heaven” “Family of Light” it makes no difference if your intent is to thank those who are behind your very life and all creation who are continually there helping you along the way. They hear all your thoughts, intents and know beforehand what things you will face and where you are headed so ask them for guidance/direction and assistance when needed and recognize all the many gifts/miracles of life and remain grateful for all good things. If you experience a hard time in your life remain focused always stay “positive’. First have great “belief/faith” in yourself that you can make it through that experience whatever it might be believing that you can create a positive outcome. Second, have faith in all those around you and let them know you believe in them this includes even those working against you. Third, have faith in the Teachers/Creators/Designers knowing that they are viewing all things beforehand and are guiding/directing you whether in good or bad situations all things are for the betterment/progression of your “soul” in the long run.

One of the first step towards that goal is to live in the present of our consciousness. If we live in the future, meaning wondering what will happen at such and such a date or month, it can only bring anxiety problems.

lol that is funny. Do you have a cure for the anxiety problems because I have a little anxiety wishing I was back with all the family I left behind? Since most of this can be viewed/seen from many different angle’s/perspectives-human, extra-terrestrial and extra-dimensional/extra-universal I would have to first say from a higher perspective there is no “Time” technically no future, no past only the present experience and all other things are happening simultaneously however from human perspective there is a past, present and future and it’s programmed right into the human mind. It’s also a clock ticking away second by second and a calendar on our walls telling us yesterday, today and tomorrow. Technically to humans on earth “TIME DOES EXIST” but from a higher awareness/consciousness time does not exist. Earthly human knowledge/understanding will never reach that level and cannot understand what that means so the world down here exists for humans and is “REAL” to the experiencers for the time being. Insects have a life too, well at least some of them do and their world really exists to them.

Anxiety is one of the tools used by the invisible spheres to test us in our emotional response to thoughts and events.

Please explain what you mean by invisible sphere?

If we stay centered and connected, we are less affected and thus less exposed to events that may slow down your evolution and higher states of consciousness.

There is a path that moves in both directions and everyday, everything that ever happens, all choices that one makes determines which path one is traveling down. Whether it be an upgrade in “Soul” consciousness or downgrade. Gifts that some possess if taken for granted can be taken away. Choose wisely and cautiously!

Free will is an illusion. Free choice is an illusion as well.

To make this fair, this can be viewed/seen from different angle’s/perspectives-human, extra-terrestrial, extra-dimensional/extra-universal and many more! From human perspective we absolutely have “Free will” Free Choice’ each individual decides what they do tomorrow, what they eat, when they sleep, where they work, live, who they marry and so on. It is not an “ILLUSION” to humans living on earth no not at all. In fact Free will-Free Choice is NOT an “ILLUSION” but a “GIFT” and a law of HIGHER ORDER.

On the other hand there is of course another perspective that comes from above.
A little metaphor: One has the technological capability of creating duplicate robots resembling human beings with the same capabilities. They can work just like humans, in fact they never require sleep or food and they can run/manage all the major manufacturing facilities around the world.

They create/program these robots to be very intelligent, in fact they are even smarter than most humans with a higher memory/storage capability and can quickly compute things 100’s of times faster than any human being instantly like a super computer. They are fully capable of doing all kinds of tasks and doing everything exactly as they programmed them to. The robots are incapable of feelings/emotions or understanding what a “soul” is or what’s it like to have a family that you love, care for and worry about because they have programmed them not to understand or know any of these things. They are highly advanced artificial intelligent mechanical/drone robots. Like Robocop, CP3O or Terminator but let’s say designed/created just like the human body and created specifically for each individual job/task.

Ultimately let’s say we give these drones the capability to choose the order between different tasks they must perform each day. They need to make sure the manufacturing plants are running smoothly in the warehouse, they look over operations and check/test products before packaging and boxing them up. They must package and do shipments including drop offs to different locations. We allow them/give them- the freedom of choice between when or how they want to do these things but ultimately they decide the order of when or how they do them as long as they finish/complete the tasks given to them each day.

These robots ultimately have some free choice/free will but only to a certain level/degree due to the programming created within their mechanical computerized minds that makes them take orders and obey the creators/programmers by design. They must finish all the tasks assigned to them every single day. Even if they somehow had the capability and found the will of learning individual thought and act against their designers/programmers orders/plans they wouldn’t know how to do it in the first place- due to blocked out and limited programming within them. They are hardwired to the system and serve the purpose they were designed/created for. These mechanical drones only know how to complete their daily tasks and the only freewill/free-choice they have is to decide the order of the day in which they do things.

From a new perspective in this same light- moving into biological creation and life forms. All physical life forms on earth fit into/under the category of technology to the Teachers/Designers/Creators. Souls are on a much different level in a much higher/complex category/order than could ever be fully understood/comprehended from human perspective. All “Souls” were created with an order of a much higher design/purpose. “Souls” are living up to the original design/creation of that order through both spiritual and physical experiences that advance/progress them to different levels of “Intelligence/Consciousness/Brightness” and degrees of “Intelligence” Consciousness. There is a higher order of EQUALITY for all “Souls” Equal opportunity exists for all “Souls” and “Individual Freewill/Free Choice” can never be taken away from “ALL SOULS”

Getting into a more difficult to understand/explain perspective. All “Souls” ultimately are making their own choices/decisions out of freewill-free/choice according to what has been allowed for them to choose from depending on each individual’s circumstance/situation and living conditions/environment. Depending on intellect and physical capability of each “soul” that is given to each individual. Also depending on laws of the land for that particular individual depending on where they were born , under what circumstances/conditions they live in- everyone differing from life circumstances/situation one to another depending on reason/purpose of why they came to earth and what was intended for them to experience.

From human perspective everyone is making their own choices and of course it feels like they are making their own choices out of freewill or when they feel like doing something or choosing to do something and they really are. “YES” they are choosing for themselves with freewill/free-choice. HOWEVER: here comes the other side. There is part of your “Soul” that was created specifically with a higher design/plan almost higher spiritual “Instinct” if you will something to the affect of a natural higher order as some life forms/animals naturally have instinctive or intuitive direction such as migrating in the winter or hibernation. Salmon returning to their place of birth upon death. “Souls” have a much more complex path that was intended for them. Sometimes the decisions they are making can appear to be coming from within them because it is what they naturally feel like choosing or doing based on a higher “Design” “Order” “Pattern” and they are ultimately being directed in their decision/making by a higher design/order/pattern. So even though they are choosing for themselves they are actually in a way “Not always really choosing for themselves” but are being greatly persuaded guided/directed most of it unknowingly without realization of it due to the higher spiritual instinctive or intuitive ‘order” “Design” of creation.

In the same way that when someone feels hungry. Is it really that person choosing to eat food or are they following what they feel that is wired/programmed within their biological system that tells them” It would be nice about now to have something to eat” “I feel hungry.”? The individual is ultimately choosing to eat but they are also being ‘TOLD” and highly persuaded at the same time by overwhelming feelings of hunger wired/programmed into the biological body telling them “FEED ME.” The program within the mind of the physical container/body tells them “I’M HUNGRY.” The software/programs within the body are continually running that tell you I’m thirsty, I need more air, I feel sick, hungry, weak, sad, happy and so on. Most of these feelings/emotions are “out of one’s control” and are ultimately persuading that “soul” within that “Body” to make certain decisions such as to eat, sleep, cry, laugh, smile and so on depending on mood/emotion/feeling.

However the ultimate “FREE WILL” is always there for all individuals. If you choose to “NOT” listen to that programming within the body and eat when your hungry or sleep when your tired that “Free will/Free-Choice remains. However the individual is being overwhelmingly persuaded to make certain decisions all based on emotions/programs wired within the human biological body but the freewill-free/choice ultimately always remains and is of a higher order/law and MUST always remain.
You can choose to go against all of creation and turn on everyone including the natural order of the “Soul” which would be as hard for you to accomplish as a salmon deciding to leave the rest of the school when swimming upstream to return home and go in the opposite direction just not caring suddenly “out of the blue” if they could even find it in them to do such a thing. lol But that free-will, free/choice does remain in every individual even to the point where you could choose to be permanently “Exterminated” and never exist again. If your desire was to never live again and you continued down that path with the same attitude choice for many lives non-stop eventually the Teachers/Creators/Designers must grant you that wish out of “Freewill-Free/Choice of the “soul” that will ALWAYS exist for ALL souls by HIGHER ORDER and unchangeable LAW.

The astrological program is very precise.

“Astrological program, higher order, earth school, prison planet, the game of life” Whatever you want to call it these are only words from human perspective trying to define and put meaning to something they are trying to grasp that is way out of their reach/league/comprehension. It sounds good to some on earth for the meantime and makes a little sense from current human perspective/perception/awareness/consciousness.

Humans need to bend the rules of that program in order to start having free will/choice.

You can start by bending the spoon with your mind. “Go ahead” and try it.
Whatever you want to call that program you cannot get past it without assistance from the other side/approval/allowance, getting past the programming all on your own would be like playing a computer game and having the character in the program manipulate/change the game all on it’s own. It wouldn’t have the capability/capacity or even understanding/intelligence on how to do it in the first place. (Metaphorically speaking) It is the code and program of a much higher complex order that runs by design from the Teachers/Creators/Designers. There is no escaping that which is an impossibility at least for those serving time on earth within this lifetime where “Some things are NOT possible” There are much greater places to visit outside this planet/dimension/existence where “ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE.” That is where “souls” wish and hope to go! That is the higher law/order and eternal migration of the “Soul” that will someday be reached by infinite “Souls” because infinite “Souls” are already there on infinite levels of progression that go on forever. Don’t worry you will never run out of space for your “Infinite” utopia existences/worlds. “It never ends” and the possibilities are “ENDLESS” and so are YOU by the way!

The polarity in the human consciousness is part of the cosmic lie that keeps us under the domination of the astral world.

If it makes sense to you then it probably makes sense from your current human perception/perspective.

The karmic contract with our source (cosmic double) needs to be broken in order to set ourselves free from any and all manipulations.

They programmed you so well. lol

Enjoyed your thoughts, thanks for sharing.
It would be nice to go home soon!
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Best Wishes.
ET_MAN



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Firstly, thank you again for answering my second round of questions. I appreciate you're input/knowledge/experience. I'm a bit confused about your responses on a couple of things, based on my experiences, at least following it to it's logical conclusion. Perhaps you could clarify those points a bit more?

Originally posted by ET_MAN
Nobody is allowed to leave earth without non-terrestrial approval, that goes for every vehicle passing through the van allen. Nobody leaves the physical body without approval/escort as well.

My question was more in respect to the first line of your reply, that no terrestrial vehicle/construct is 'allowed' to enter space, and beyond, without their approval (or at least under a watchful eye). But you added the second part... leaving the physical body.

Firstly, I'm not sure any of us actually 'leave' our physical body during what many refer to as OBEs or NDEs. As you've mentioned in allegory, we are just tuning in to a different stations, (albeit, interactive stations). I buy that. That's my gut talkin', (and also from my experiences). But, leaving the body... does one really need to do this to access 'higher knowledge'? I don't think so, not at all. The 'receiver'/radio doesn't physically need to go to the station to pick up the signal, it simply picks it up out of the air. It's as simple as tuning in to the right station. (Unless your tuner is broken, then it's not that simple at all, which is where we are at in a general sense).

Wouldn't it be better to show those interested how to tune in for themselves, or at least how to fine tune their senses to get this knowledge for themselves? Personally, I wasn't 'shown' anything about a 'wormwood'/dwarf star, which would seem more important than the purity of water in the local area.

In response to me:
Also, would they allow others of humanity, who already have and use this technology, to interfere with or out-right destroy those who try to escape the chaos?

Humans of terrestrial origin in power have only limited authority to destroy or start wars on earth. Due to freewill and opposition found in all things on this planet some are allowed to get away with more things than others but when it comes to large scale destruction, wars, genocide, nuclear wars, depopulation and so on they can only go so far before consequences to their own actions meet intervention.

I wasn't refering to war. I meant if individuals or communities were to develop a way to get off this planet/dimensional plane for a short time would they allow others of our kind (military) to shoot us out of the sky, or worse?

Again, thank you in advance.

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I've read your response, and i respect you, for it is your perspective, point of view.
We all have different experiences. In my own experience, i've discovered that understanding and knowing the manipulation of the human mind is the key to higher levels of consciousness. According to what you wrote, i need to have faith in my creators. I don't have faith in anyone, or anything. I do not seek spiritual enlightenment for it is still domination, and i will not allow it. To be spiritual is, from my understanding and personal experience, out of the question. Spirituality actually brings us back to the astral world and keeps us in a state of domination. The astral world does not want to loose their monopoly on the human race.
You asked me a couple of questions so here it goes.

Please explain what you mean by invisible spheres?

The invisible spheres are the planes that are not visible in the physical realm. For example, the higher mental plane entities, who are not in the 3rd dimension. The astral world is also an invisible sphere.
What do these 2 spheres have in common? The higher mental plane entities are using entities in the astral world to test us in our emotional response to thoughts and events. The role of the astral entities, albeit unconscious, is to manipulate the telepathic messages (thoughts, light reflex) that originate from the higher mental plane entities. Ultimately, when we are ready, we discover that we are manipulated. It is very hard for an ego, that is not prepared, to understand and accept this concept of manipulation, because humans believe that they are proprietors of their own thoughts.

Please explain what memories you are referring to?

I was referring to the memory of the human race. This memory, is to my point of view, dead memory. Humans base their entire experience on it.
On a personal note, my experience here in the 3rd dimension is my own and I don’t trust anyone but myself. But the important thing in all of this is to communicate and exchange with others, which is exactly what we just did.
I thank you for the time you took to write a response, even though I did not have any questions.

Edit to add: I wrote a thread on manipulation, it may explain a little more.
Thread

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Hi Et man.
could you answer a couple of questions for me?

1 i am beginning to feel a real revulsion eating meat,is this part of my journey through this life to feel it wrong to eat another creature.And are some of the animal inhabitants of earth in fact souls on there own journey

2 I am really trying to conquer feeling bitter,angry and hurt at real or imaginary wrongs done to me in the past ,usually by someone i love...Its funny i find it far easier to forgive an acquaintance or friend then a beloved family member will prayer help?I Have almost stopped believing in organised religion,but i cannot stop believing in a higher power..Looking back at my life i can see a higher power helping me at important periods in my life.

3One last question, my son and daughter in law are having a baby girl at the end of January,is there any way i can help her with her walk through life ,or will she return to the spirit realm in 2011,if so what can a two year old learn in such a short time,will her time on earth have been pointless.

After reading through almost every page on this thread since it started, one story has come to mind:

A man hears on the news that a terrible flood was coming, and to make arrangements to get to higher ground. A neighbor pulls up in a truck and says, "C'mon! Let's get outta here before the flood comes!"

The man says, "No, I am not afraid. God will save me." Confused, the neighbor drives away. A little while later, the flood waters come and begin lapping at his door.

A man in a boat comes along and tells him, "Get in, I'll take you to higher ground!"

The religious man says again, "No, I am not afraid...God will save me." The man in the boat is confused, but paddles away. Now, the waters are rising, and they force the religious man to take refuge on his roof.

By this time, a helicopter flies over head and drops a rope down to him. "Grab hold! I'll take you to safety," says the pilot, but the man refuses.

"I'm not afraid...God will save me!" The helicopter pilot can't argue because he's low on fuel, and he flies away, leaving the man on the roof surrounded by continuously rising waters. Eventually, the waters come up over the roof, and swallow up the man.

As he stands before God after his death, he asks, "God, I had faith in you. I was not afraid...why did you not save me?"

And God replies, "Fool, I sent you a truck, a boat, AND a helicopter!!"

I have a few questions of my own, ET-Man, but for now I am out of time. I will be back on later this evening... after I formulate my questions carefully. Until then, I send love...

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I really liked that story.

Its up to every person to react to the opportunities he is given.


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