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Warnings From The Benevolents!

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posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 09:42 PM
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"Solon was a Greek historian, philosopher who lived in Athens, 639-559 BC. He was credited with being the wisest of the “Seven Sages” of ancient Greece. Solon writings talk about his interactions with ancient Egyptian priests. Ancient Egypt was considered at the time a very advanced civilization for it’s day, many Greek scholars traveled to Egypt and studied in their temples.

The Ancient Egyptians priests stated the following to Solon:
“O Solon, Solon, you Hellenes are but children. There is no old doctrine handed down among you by ancient traditions or any science, which is hoary with age, and I will tell you the reason behind this. There have been and will be again, many destructions of mankind out of many causes, the greatest having been brought about by “Earth Fire” and “Innundation” Whereas you and other nations did not keep imperishable records of Atlantis we did. And then, after a long period of time, the usual inundation visits like a pestilence and leaves only those of you who are destitute of letters and education. And thus you have to begin over again as children and know nothing of what happened in ancient times either among us or among yourselves.”

Solon then shared with them some of their history including the account of the great flood to which the Egyptians replied:

“As for those genealogies of yours which you have related to us, they are no better than tales of children, for in the first place, you remember one deluge only, whereas there were a number of them. And in the next place there dwelt in your land, which you do not know, the fairest and noblest race of men that ever lived of which you are but a seed or remnant. And you did not know this because for many generations the survivors of that destruction made no records.”

The Egyptians spoke about the destroyed civilization of Atlantis stating at one time there were a series of magnificent islands that sat in the Atlantic ocean, out beyond the pillars of Hercules. (The Straights of Gibraltar.) The Atlantean’s had become a rich and powerful civilization, but their success made them arrogant and war-like. The Atlantean’s started to systematically invade the other cultures of the Mediterranean and at one time had extended their advances to the very borders of Egypt itself. But then the “Usual Innundation” struck the Earth, involving great earthquakes and floods. With little warning, Atlantis was engulfed by the ravages of the ocean, slipping beneath the waves never to be seen or heard from again.


The Egyptian priests, surprised by Solon’s ignorance of the destruction of Atlantis went on to say:

“The catastrophe must have escaped the notice of future generations because as a result of the devastation, for many generations, the survivors died with no power to express themselves in writing. The islands “Disappeared” All Disappeared, due to earthquakes and floods in a grievous day and night.”

The account of Solon and Atlantis are not the only ancient records that the Egyptians left us. In 1828, the Museum of Leiden in the Netherlands, obtained a copy of an ancient text known as the Impuwer Papyrus. This text describes a massive cataclysmic event that struck Egypt and the world thousands of years ago and sent this remarkably organized civilization into total disarray.

Here are some statements found in the Ipuwer Papyrus:

“Plague is throughout the land, blood is everywhere. The land turns round as does a potter’s wheel. Earth turned upside down, land upside down. Human beings thirst after water, what shall we do? All is ruin”

”Cattle are left to stray, and there is none to gather them together. Trees are destroyed. No fruits, no herbs are found. Grain has perished on every side that has perished which yesterday was seen. The land is left to it’s weariness like the cutting of flax.”

”Gates, columns, and wall are consumed by fire. The sky is in confusion and the fire ran along upon the ground. Lower Egypt weeps, the towns are destroyed. Upper Egypt has become waste, all is ruin. The residence is over turned in a minute.”




posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by digginapony
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I am not sure why you replied to me-you did not mention anything about my post.

I have a question for you, ET_Man. There is no doubt you are intelligent and have studied this phenomenon. Did you learn (research) all of this before meeting the benevolent ET's or was it after being told news by them?


After-and I have addressed the same questions/comments in your previous post many times in this thread! If you review this page I did address the issue about the "Future" already being "Written" from an eternal perspective. I also want to say that I have not forced anyone to believe anything but it would be irrational to not at least look at the evidence/testimonies/ancient records/archeological discoveries/astronomical discoveries and so on supporting this cyclic event. Mark my words I am not just another person on ATS throwing out a prediction. I must TESTIFY that I DO KNOW that these things will come because I have seen them and that is why I am here. You can take it or leave it and it's ok if you want to disbelieve and hope that things will not happen or believe you can change them through “Intent” "Thought" or “Consciousness” by sending requests out into the universe. I'm with you on that and I will put out the same requests and I have been doing so for a long time "Wishing" that these things wouldn't happen but I now realize that it's all part of "mortality" and the natural cycles of life and death. When it is your time whether there is a cataclysmic event or not you will be taken. It could happen at anywhere, anytime, anyplace in many ways!

Anyone who wishes to disbelieve all the prophecies and dismiss the evidence/facts supporting that this event will take place can continue praying or putting out intent asking that it never happens. That is great, I think having a positive intent and sending it out is the right thing to do in all situations. If someone sends out intent believing asking that they will never die there is nothing wrong with that but it's not going to happen and everybody must die. Every soul born into mortality must die out of mortality to balance the laws of opposition found in all things. Life-Death! So for those who don't want to believe in this event that is perfectly fine but as digginapony states "Be prepared for all things" so why not just be prepared then don't believe in the event and continue sending out intent hoping that this event will never take place. Believe that you can change it and send that energy out there see what happens. I wish things could be changed but I've been told/shown this is an event that must take place in the same way that every human being must some day die. But the world is NOT going to end, it's only going to change.To be Forewarned is to be Forearmed!








[edit on 14-10-2009 by ET_MAN]



posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 11:25 PM
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Hi Flux8,

Cut & Paste from page 79.


Why warn People ETMAN? For if what you say is true their is a afterlife, death is but a door. If you are sure of this death should be meaningless. Lets greet this dark star together and not run. Die with smiles on our face and transcend this plane of existence!!!!


It’s a very good question and I’m glad you made that observation.
Death is nothing but a door to a better/higher place you are absolutely correct and there should be nothing to fear or run away from. To further answer your question I will answer you with an email I received from a doctor who has been following the thread.


“Dear ET Man,
Thanks for your reply which I did not expect to come any way thanks once again.
I am really happy to see you on ATS and I did not miss to read any of your postings, there are people some times irritating you but for our sake you must stay and give us your updates.

One thing I would like to ask you, why one has to try and survive this cataclysm and have more pain of surviving latter on?
We know that we can not enter higher dimensions with out leaving our 3rd dimension physical body,if after this cataclysm (or coming events) are meant for either reincarnation or transfer into other dimensions then why try and survive? or is there any purpose which I could not understand?”


The true theme/motive of me sharing this information is really on the lines of what you are suggesting. Being spiritually prepared is all that matters and maintaining that in the here and now as anyone can of course die at any given time with or without a cataclysm. Not everyone thinks along the lines as you do but more people need to come to a realization of this in order to understand that surviving this event is truly not important- its the event however that may wake a few people up to prepare and spiritual preparation is more important than anything whether they survive it or not. It’s ok to not want to survive it but make sure you have spiritually packed your bags and cleaned up your mess before leaving.

So from my standpoint the physical survival is smokescreen but it's what people need in physicality to humble and alert themselves to the fact that materialistic things/physicality is temporal and should not be the focus of how we live our lives as it's insignificant to things of eternal existence and unimportant in the long run.

That is why many things happen on earth both good and bad, they are aloud to happen on earth in order to teach the souls of men that life is short and so it's not how you live but how your spirit lives while experiencing a body on earth as the spirit is not the body and looks nothing like the body. Everyone is therefore nothing more than light/intelligence/energy occupying matter in a material shell (The human body). That light/intelligence/energy is the soul and can appear as it chooses to appear in light form however when a soul is incarnated or takes on material form it sometimes is limited in what it can select to occupy due to the condition/consciousness of the soul. The choice is not always up to the soul but to the Overseers/Creator/Designers/Teachers of the soul or those who are above running the show so to speak of this dimension/universe/reality.

(They also only work according to our free will of choice and can bless us or allow things to happen to us due to the consequence of our own actions but in the long run life is nothing more than a disciplinary school where we learn some of the lessons the hard way in order for our soul to really progress and gain greater understanding by experiencing hardships/trials both good and bad.


”We know that we can not enter higher dimensions with out leaving our 3rd dimension physical body,if after this cataclysm (or coming events) are meant for either reincarnation or transfer into other dimensions then why try and survive? or is there any purpose which I could not understand?”


There is no real need honestly to survive physically because the only thing that matters is surviving spiritually. (We all die it’s not a matter of “IF” but “WHEN”. If your time is not up- you do not have control over when your soul is taken. Leaving this world if the time comes for an individual should be a type of celebration not a disaster (Though it appears that way to us on earth) It basically means that person has done what they came for and is moving onto higher and better places so it really is something to look forward to. But that doesn't mean we go out and pray/hope to die at anytime or move onto the beach front waiting for gigantic tsunamis to take us down. Actually we should have the understanding that if we live or die its OK and look forward to moving onto better places but we still are here for a reason/purpose of learning/studying/experiencing like in school and thinking too much about death or looking forward to it I should say can be a distraction to our very purpose of why were here in the first place.

The real focus should be on making our weakness's become strengths and it takes a lot of time to work on patience, understanding, forgiveness, humility etc. So do I plan on running and hiding for future events? Not at all, in fact I will do what I can to place my family in a good position and myself that gives us a good chance of making it through the storms but that doesn't mean packing up our bags and moving to some remote place and digging a cave under the earth. I plan to share this very message on websites/videos in the future and this is the only message IMO that is the most important but not everybody thinks in the same way as you do Sometimes people need to face a great disaster/cataclysm to give them a wake up call in order to pay more attention to spiritual preparations and their own lives/weakness’s’/faults/conditions etc.

In fact the most important thing for people to understand is -To live or die is not what's important the only thing that matters is how our soul condition is in the present. So people should maintain a free conscious that feels zero guilt, shame, regret or weight knowing that they have made amends with everyone. The condition of the soul in the current state is all that counts in the long run. Survival is just illusion and a smokescreen as all of physicality is in general. All things are illusion for those who really know how it works and what’s behind the curtain. The ancient Egyptians used to have a saying/belief that the soul had to weigh a certain weight or if it was too heavy it would not make it to a good place via underworld. If the soul is filled with burdens, guilt, shame overwhelmingly and heavy- it will have a hard time facing all it’s done after this life. Since the soul moves to another dimension it cannot fix or patch up those mistakes it made in this dimension easily afterwards. A soul needs to be prepared and fix/patch up it’s mistakes here in the dimension and right now.

Maintaining a clear conscious is extremely important, striving to be the best you can be in a sincere down to earth humble way. Life is a gift and if people realized how much of a blessing it is for them to have this opportunity of being here right now they would change their outlook on life completely. What the Teachers/Creators/Designers have done for human beings is as comparable as us taking the spirit of a small animal and allowing it to enter a human body and become a greater intelligence/conscious being. This is a small analogy of how big the gift of life is SO DON’T BLOW IT because some souls can be permanently exterminated but these cases would be very rare and only if the soul chooses to never exist can this happen. Freewill is something that will never be taken away and is the law of all existences/universe’s/realities. (However there are a few places that exist where you will work hard slave labor. Earth is a small example and can be considered a slave labor planet to a certain extent but there is much worse places than earth where freedom is taken away and you are nothing but a slave treated like beast- but freedom is NEVER taken away eternally.-) Consequence to actions will catch up to everyone!

Once a person comes to realization of a higher understanding that all things in this material world are illusion/smokescreen and the only thing that matters is the current state of consciousness (Soul condition) of an individual then that particular individual is close to what I like to call graduation day from the 3rd dimension or 3rd grade. We are literally children down here and small in size when it comes to soul consciousness and we are growing/learning but it's a path that all souls/intelligence/light takes and we will move forward continually if we allow ourselves to. Things will only get better and better if we are sincere, try our best and choose to progress.

I'll get back to you on how you could contribute in helping us, I'll forward your kind offer to the other people working on setting up the websites who are looking for people to assist.


In your page78 you mentioned that you need volunteers to help propagate this message well sir here I am at your disposal. I am a retired Specialist (Anesthesiology) medical doctor who was working as an Asst.Professor in University of Medical Science’s. I think I can be of help to you.



Bye
Sincerely
Dr.____Annonymous!

Best Wishes!
ET_MAN



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 12:17 AM
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Hi Magantice,


Hello ET_MAN, Do you see full disclosure coming soon from world leaders or are they going to wait until the last possible moment?


There will never be an official announcement/disclosure made to the general public/masses but after the pole shift the years ahead will change and I would say 2012 is a year that officially humans will recognize the presence of “ET’s” as they will help lift up/assist humanity to get back up on their feet after this event. This will be part of the awakening/upgrade in consciousness by humanity recognizing that “They are not alone” and “They have never been alone.”


How do you feel about David Wilcock when he claims that "Management" will not let humanity be destroyed by vaccines, dwarf stars, nuclear wars, etc?


I agree with him on this, humanity will never be destroyed but many things will still happen such as wars, disease, catastrophic events but the earth will not come to an end in 2011-however a brown dwarf star will pass and many will lose their lives. But in history there are many other events/wars/cataclysms that have taken place where many humans have also lost their lives. If we recognize that there are no accidents/coincidences in this lifetime then we see that everything has a reason/purpose including this cyclic event.


Two constant recurring dreams/visions show me (a) the tower of big ben explodeing and (b) a huge pan of rapidly boiling water. Any clues to these meanings?


The boiling water part can imply a number of things as the earth will heat up and there are many ancient accounts of boiling rivers/waters from ancient civilization texts. Volcanic activity, sea bed activity. (There are many things that fit the bill on rapid boiling water so who knows. I could never tell you exact interpretation as most dreams are specifically for the “Dreamer” to interpret .


Why do I feel as though I am surrounded by so many angels?


Everyone is being continually watched/monitored 24/7 you would be surprised to learn how much so called “TIME” those have on the other side who are watching/observing since “TIME” does not exist to them. Everything is continually being filmed/monitored/recorded every action and emotion you have in your life, everything you feel, see, taste, smell, touch all senses, all experiences-everything. For them to watch over everyone and I am referring to the Designers/Creators/Teachers/ in much higher places/dimensions outside of this bubbled universe. For them to watch all humans on this spec of dust called earth it’s like you clicking the mouse on your computer to run a virus-scan on the hard-drive. They have absolute control/watch of everyone at all times! That is why there are no accidents/coincidences again if people could step over to the other side/curtain and see all that takes place it would blow their minds!


Its like the room is full of them with me. Am I crazy?

No sounds like you’re a little more aware/awake then most out there!


Love, light, and peace to you my dear friend. Magantice


Best Dreams/Wishes!
ET_MAN



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 12:25 AM
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Hi CrazyTurk,

Here are a few websites for your future reference:
www.poleshift2011.com...
www.unityfortruth.com...
www.earthchanges2011.com...



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 12:27 AM
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Thank you for taking the time to answer me ET_Man. Yes I know they are coming in 2012 in mass. Its to bad some of us won't get to meet them in earth time. I pray you and your family are successful in finding safety before 10-11-11. Love and light, Magantice



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 02:03 AM
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Originally posted by Flux8

Originally posted by ET_MAN
... The only thing that counts down here is what’s on the inside not on the out. Death is only a word created by human finite minds to understand the absence of what we consider to be life. Death does not exist only from human perspective/perception. Once humanity reaches a higher state of consciousness it will understand and change the word in the dictionary. The word death really should be recess or spring break because school is temporarily out and it’s much nicer when you take a vacation from this world so why even worry, I honestly look forward to the day it’s decided. Everyone comes with an expiration date!...


Ok then, if the only thing that counts down here is what's on the inside then why have you made such a case to give us info concerning our physical welfare/well-being? In other words, if death is nothing but a recess/'spring break'/vacation then why should we care about living/surviving at all? Serious question.

"School is temporarily out" implying that at some point we will have to come back again? As in reincarnation? What is the point of 'learning' if you are not allowed to retain the knowledge of what you've learned/experienced before (past lives/memories)? There is no foundation from which to build off of. We will be perpetually learning 1+1=2, because we will have forgotten everything we had learned in the 'previous school year'.

On a completely different note, let me ask you something since you seem to have quite a bit of experience with these benevolents. Heck, maybe you can ask them yourself next time you sit back and have a pow-wow with them... What do the frequencies mean?


How do you think God stays so innocent?

By perpetually making every thing new.

Imagine if the good cells in your body just quit being good. You'd have Cain Sir.

Life goes forward from Generation to Generation. The only ascension that occurs is by way of Descendants.

The only ascension that will raise you up, is the memory of you. When you pass, you are recalled to the living God (Everyone Living) mainly only to the portion of the living God that Knew you by name. You are one cell in a body.

You're new residence will be the mind of those who loved you and hated you and thus Judgment is given and the true thoughts of those who knew you will come forth starting with the dead, if your judgment begins here.

Your Judgment begins here if you have denied the son of man. This means the blood is on you're head and that you have stopped the bloodline.

Blood, when inside is as blue as a river of life. Blood outside is as Red as a sky inhaling sulfer from a big YellowStone Cone......

Keep the blood on the earth, be fruitful and multiply or end the line and Die.

Those are the two choices...Family Tree or Knowledge G/E Tree (GE Brings Good things to Life) or Sssssew the SSSSSerpent Ssssaid.

Easy in the End. Nothing is hidden, never was , but we like hide and Go Seek.....Marco......................................................................Polo

Peace



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 02:41 AM
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Hi Flux8,


"School is temporarily out" implying that at some point we will have to come back again?


Maybe/depending (Not in all cases)


As in reincarnation?

Maybe/depending (Not in all cases)
Do people believe this is the first time they have ever been alive with a physical body or do people believe birth was the beginning of their soul?


What is the point of 'learning' if you are not allowed to retain the knowledge of what you've learned/experienced before (past lives/memories)?


All knowledge/experiences (soul knowledge) is retained and never forgotten, knowledge of the physical mind and of the physical world is unimportant/un-applicable for the most part and “Illusion” For instance you could be the most brilliant mind on this planet thinking you know everything there is to know about the world/universe/science, take that with you and it's meaningless because it all goes down the drain on the other side and is un-applicable “not the way it is’ “beyond barbaric/primitive/insect like” “Illusion”.

So what does a soul take with him on the other side?

Not the physical memory/knowledge which is useless but the “Soul experience” the “Soul growth” –Love, Kindness, Patience, Humility, Long Suffering, and Consciousness! “Eternal Qualities” are the only things that count. “All souls have access to “All Memories” of past lives but most of them would not even want to go there because “It's a nightmare for most” to face the many past mistakes in lives/families/experiences! But someday they will be able to face them all when they reach their stage of “Soul evolution” So to speak “Brightness/Enlightenment” “Consciousness” there are many words for it but it really only comes down to “Consciousness or Soul Level” the “Brightness of the Soul”!

When a tree has fully grown only then can it produce “Fruit”! When a soul is fully grown only then can it achieve that "Soul Level" capable of experiencing “Infinity/Immortality” where there are “No Limits” and “All Things Are Possible.” "To Infinity and Beyond" Buzz Light Year wasn't joking around on that one.



What do frequencies mean?


Data exchange/channel/information/vibration/energy/signals many definitions could be used for frequency from human perspective/perception. Earth reality could be like channel 3 while others are on channel 4-5-6-7-8-9 and so on. We are locked/tuned into a frequency of this universe because we are part of the overall system and the Teachers/Designers/Creators have the remote to the overall system within the dimensional layers of this particular inside bubble/universe. If they want to change the channel for us they will but can only act according to the laws of opposition or consequence to action, whether we see it as bad/good whatever it is were experiencing/doing is for our own betterment/progression. Everyone is exactly where they are supposed to be, there are no coincidences in this lifetime or accidents only from human perspective/perception because the mind is finite/limited and only comprehends “Present”, only sees “Past” the consciousness of man is “Low” and it’s perception is extremely “Dull”.





[edit on 15-10-2009 by ET_MAN]



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 05:00 AM
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ET_MAN... I know you answer alot of questions. I know you have probably answered this is a round about way to someone else as well. However, if you could answer me this directly it would be much appreciated.

If everything is mapped out for us, our whole future, what's the point? What do the creators get out of it? Entertainment? A good laugh? What? Why go through all of this trouble for well... nothing!

If death is the door to a better world, why live? Surely you might as well kill yourself? What's the point in even giving us this warning if nothing can be done to stop it?

You have stated before you are an ET that has been re-incarnated into human existence and been allowed to remember things. Maybe this is my 'finite' mind but if our whole existence is just an illusion, what's the damn point!?

I have really tried my hardest to find the good in all of this, I really have and I've really tried to give you time and respect. Maybe I'm just tired and having a bad day at work or something but you're words have really unmotivated me.

I'm losing track of what this all about now... I just don't understand the warning anymore if you're so adamant, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference.

What is the point in all of this damn struggle if it's just one big pointless illusion. What's the point in any of this....



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 07:24 AM
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Hi Bridge_Boy,


ET_MAN... I know you answer alot of questions. I know you have probably answered this is a round about way to someone else as well. However, if you could answer me this directly it would be much appreciated.

If everything is mapped out for us, our whole future, what's the point?


Just because all things are already known doesn’t mean that “souls” do not have control over where they go or freedom of choice, your thinking of it in the wrong way I think perhaps because I did not explain it in clearer terms. It’s kind of like this-from human perspective the “Future is not yet set” very true, we are the one’s in control of our own choices and we ultimately decide our own path on where we go. ONLY that those in higher dimensions far above us can view/see our path before we take it. That does not mean they control our path only that they can see/view it beforehand. Ultimately we decide the future for ourselves through freewill and choice. I hope this makes better sense but feel free to ask more questions if your still confused on this one.



What do the creators get out of it?


Nothing really, they are just on a level where they can see past, present and future.
What does a parent get out of watching their children grow up? I would think it’s much greater for them watching us advance then us watching our children grow/advance.


Entertainment?


They want us to entertain ourselves and someday the “entertainment” will be beyond anything you can ever imagine. That is what people should look forward to.


A good laugh?


They always have a good laugh because they live in a place that is nothing but magical and pure bliss/heavenly. (Unfortunately unlike earth)


What? Why go through all of this trouble for well... nothing!


They are “Family” to us, we do have “Fathers” in heaven that are technically/officially “Family” interconnected to us and they only want us to be capable of someday reaching their level so we can have what they have and experience what they do. They only want us to someday be “Happy”-They love us as their children in the same way a Father loves his children.


If death is the door to a better world, why live?


It’s a good question and the answer is if “recess is funner” than classroom why even go to school and learn in the first place?


Surely you might as well kill yourself?


There is a reason/purpose why “Souls” are here and everything a “Soul” goes through both good and bad are necessary for advancement/soul-progression. If you want to someday Create/Design your own worlds/universe’s you have to work your way up and become capable of reaching those levels by making your weakness’s become strengths-experiencing hardships/opposition in mortality including “Death”. Pass the test so to speak and graduate from this rock/level. Life on earth is putting it “lightly” not easy at all in comparison to anything above earth. No wonder you feel the way you do and I don’t blame you but I want to reassure you that things only get better if you hang in there and don’t give up. You won’t regret it I promise!


What's the point in even giving us this warning if nothing can be done to stop it?


The theme/reason is in order to provide people with information so they can mentally, physically and most importantly “Spiritually” prepare themselves and their families. I guess me being here right now and you being here right now is “Not a coincidence” so there is a reason/point in us both being here after all.
It’s a “Small World” after all!


You have stated before you are an ET that has been re-incarnated into human existence and been allowed to remember things.


Technically all “souls” are non-terrestrial (Not of this world) before coming to earth and being placed in a physical body. I do have knowledge of where I came from and what I used to look like in a far away galaxy I could say that and so could many of you if you only could remember.


Maybe this is my 'finite' mind but if our whole existence is just an illusion, what's the damn point!?


It doesn’t feel like “illusion” from human perception-doesn’t’ it all seem REAL to you? It does to me and we might want to re-define the word “illusion” because you see sometimes I’m looking at it from both ways/perspectives and it can get confusing. Meaning: “Illusion” from a scientific mind perspective will have a much different meaning probably then what I mean when I say “Ilusion” Science (for the most part) believes that we create all matter through consciousness or the experience of everything is only being assembled descrambled/created inside the brain coming from electrical signals/information/frequency “Light” picked up from outside of us- so it’s as if everyone’s in a Matrix so to speak with just a brain sitting there wired to a system receiving electrical signals that tells us this is real, that is real, giving us our taste, smell, touch, feel, sound- The 5 senses of physicality! If that is what you mean by “Illusion” that is not the way it is. It is much more complex then science could ever come close to fully understanding/grasping. They are probably (Guesstimation) at less than 1% of the entire picture!

Everything is real for “Humans” in the here and now because that is our current state/level of “Consciousness” and that is what we perceive to be “real” in the meantime. Plus it feels, tastes, smells, sounds real doesn’t it? That is all we know since birth of course so how can we ever know anything different? Getting back to your main question on what’s the damn point of even living if everything is “illusion” well it’s because someday we will be able to do anything we want and be with our families “Creating” entire worlds-galaxies etc. Creating what “Dreams May Come” with family and loved one’s! If you could do anything you wanted and create anything you wanted by “Thought” right now what would you do? If you were the owner of “Earth” lets say and were given all power to change/manipulate reality anyway you wanted what would you choose to create? Think of a memory in your past when you were having the best time of your life (Within your memory) or feeling the best you ever felt before and X’s that by a hundred let’s say. Don’t you think that would be worth living for?


I have really tried my hardest to find the good in all of this, I really have and I've really tried to give you time and respect. Maybe I'm just tired and having a bad day at work or something but you're words have really unmotivated me.


I hope you didn’t take some of the things I said in the wrong way, I have had days like that and have felt like “What’s the reason why I’m back on this rock- let me out-I want out” It’s harder for someone to leave “This rock” then come back to it after knowing what’s out there then to have just remained here and never left. It’s the knowing what’s out there part that makes it hard because this life, world and body is quite frankly putting it lightly- “Like heavy body armor” We are weighed/anchored down almost like prisoners! But that is something you cannot relate to since you haven’t had my experiences but believe me I do understand very much how you feel and where your coming from. I feel much like you all the time but must force myself to only find the positive knowing that there is a greater purpose/reason of why were here experiencing what we are in the here and now. It’s all for the betterment of your soul advancement/progression.

So just hang in there and take it easy, enjoying life is the most important thing, do your best to enjoy life and if you are not find a way to make that change so you can have more time for yourself to enjoy life. Forget about anything else just enjoy yourself and remember you are always being looked after so “Feel like you’re the Man of Steel” because they won’t let you die you know if it’s not your time to go. You could be shot and bullets might even bounce off you if they wanted them to. “Or they would call it the dodging bullet move without you having to move at all.” It was the shooter that just missed” “Oh Yeah” lol



I'm losing track of what this all about now...


It’s really only about people overcoming fear- living a better life and being consciously aware of future events to come. Preparing for all things without fear and (Spiritual preparedness!) Nothing more, nothing less!


What is the point in all of this damn struggle if it's just one big pointless illusion. What's the point in any of this..


It’s the current “illusion” we perceive because of the current level of consciousness we possess. To us it’s as REAL as anything we possibly know since we have not known anything different since birth. To the Teachers/Creators/Family it’s “ Strictly Business” lol no seriously it’s just a class to them and they created the classroom and setup the “illusions” But the kiddies will never know because they are still just in kindergarten and don’t yet know how to read or drive a car! We are just learning and “Life is not always that bad is it?” For us it’s not really “Illusion” so let’s get rid of the word if it’s disturbing take life for what it is, how it feels, how it smells, how it tastes, enjoy it to the best of your ability and overcome negativity. Most importantly DO NOT carry any weight/bricks on your shoulders knowing you are doing the right things in life. Stay on that path and endure to the end and you can go to places that only you “Dream of” where “Dreams Do Come True.”

I know this is kinda girly but maybe it will uplift you a little. The lyrics do fit!
Deliver Me!
www.youtube.com...



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 10:06 AM
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You know what ET_MAN. I was having a proper bad day today, you know, one of them days. Nothing at work going right, arguements with the mrs, I know we all have them days. I decided to come on here this morning and what came out was an angry post. Once again, you have just shown the utmost patience and took the time to answer my questions and ramblings the best you know how. Whether this is real or not. Whether this is all true or the work of an over-imaginitive mind manipulative mind, you always answer politely, pleasantly and informatively. I want to believe in you, I really do but maybe my cynical mind won't allow me too because you're goodness is too well... good to be true.

In anycase, thank you for once again taking the time to respond to me, it's much appreciated.

If what you're saying really is true, get on to the 2012 forum and educate some people over there. There seems to be alot of people who are unaware of your date.

Can I just ask, if what you're saying is true, can you tell me why the 2012 movie has been sanctioned. If we are really to be kept in the dark by the knowing governments then why allow the movie? Plausible deniability? That doesn't make sense to me. Your prophecy sounds just like the 2012 movie. We know the government controls what goes on our TV screens, why allow the film?

Also, if you know where you are from and what you looked like before, can you tell us where?

Sorry for more questions, I have an inquisitive mind. Once again, thanks for your time and patience.



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 11:51 AM
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So this red dwarf star thing has so much gravity within it to stop the earths rotation and also to pull and tip earth over, and since you say that there will also be many objects surrounding this star thing that are getting pulled along with it, what about the moon.
wouldn't it be logical that something of this magnitude would also suck the moon from earths weakened gravity when stopped or reversed or while earth is tipping over. What about all the other planets between the sun and us, wouldn't this be true for them as well.
If this red star has so much pulling power, wouldn't it also disrupt and even change the path of earth and the other planets around it by changing their orbits around the sun.
In other words wouldn't it cause earth and other planets and moons to be shot out into a different path of space or even a different course around the sun. What do you say.



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 11:59 AM
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I have been pondering this debate, or more like information stream. It is getting increasingly more difficult to brush aside.

Now, for a guy nearing 60 years old, what does a person place importance on, as far as preparation?

I have concluded that without basic health, any attempts at surviving an event like this would be a waste of time. I have purchased the only piece of survival gear, I feel is necessary.

T-Zone Vibration Technology

After one week of use, I have to ask why I procrastinated so long? Why is something so simple, not widely recomended by health officials?

So that makes up the bulk of physical preparedness, get your body into better physical condition.

The rest seems to revolve around spiritual readyness. How we treat our fellow humans will be the judge as to whether we graduate or get re-cycled for more lessons.

I am aware of past life experiences, my soul has been in a biological unit here on Earth. I do not remember the times in between though. I always thought I had an over active immagination.

Glad to hear I am not loco. It seems the world has gone loco, trying to deny a cyclical event of this nature.

In thinking about Noah, I always questioned how God could cause this type of destruction. Well, it is not that at all. Some one knew about the event and tried to help his friend Noah, survive the calamity. Now the Hebrews call that ET, God.

The World seems like a small place now.



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 12:05 PM
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I really think we need a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page for this thread since people keep asking the same questions over and over again. Its not strange since it takes several hours to read through this thread even for a fast reader.

I might put something up this weekend unless you are already working on something like that ET_MAN?



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posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 09:58 PM
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Hi Bridge_Boy,



can you tell me why the 2012 movie has been sanctioned. If we are really to be kept in the dark by the knowing governments then why allow the movie?


I believe there are many “In the know” who wish it could be disclosed to the world but know the consequence/after-affect of such action on a public announcement as it would cause mass chaos/panic worldwide. I believe that some who are “In the know” have intentionally promoted such movies in the “Hollywood” industry that are similar to what can be expected upon “Wormwoods” pass to plant the idea in people’s minds on a subliminal level so when the time comes they will have an idea of what to expect on a certain level.

I believe the many 2012 movies coming out are a form of subliminal “disclosure” without having to “Panic/Scare” the “Masses”. I believe some government/agencies/groups or whoever is behind it all have done the same things with ET phenomena as they are planting the idea in the minds of the masses knowing that the day is coming that humanity will “Meet the so called neighbors”. I believe 2012 movies are not the only movies involved and there have been other ways they are putting out this information in the minds of people as to not alarm/scare them without most even realizing it. I also believe there are some “In the know” who could probably care less about what happens to the rest of everyone having a different/agenda plan but I believe they are “The Minority”. I believe for the most part there are people “In the know” that feel badly about the future and wish they could do something more to help humanity but can’t other than take orders to ensure the continuity of the human species. There is a group behind putting the ideas out there on a subliminal disclosure/level, just who that is I can’t say. You may notice that some governments have advised public to have “Emergency Preparedness Kits” on hand.

In regards to “Wormwoods’ pass I believe there are two sides to the story, most of the higher level “In the know” governments feel bad about the public being left in the dark but know it cannot be announced because of the implications. Announcing such a thing could do more damage in itself then the actual “Wormwood” pass as it would cause mass/fear panic/war and could jeopardize the survival of humanity and government/control/power. I believe that many governments have anticipated a revolt against their government when /if the time comes that public realizes/sees things clearer of what is really happening/taking place behind the military/government. I believe they have back up plans and have anticipated civil conflicts if such a time does arise where people of the world become fully aware of what is about to take place. I believe that FEMA camps are part of this entire equation and martial law/other laws are set in place if/when that time does/should arise. I believe that FEMA coffins people have pointed out in conspiracy have something to do with this event and will be used for clean/up on bodies after “Wormwoods’ pass. I believe that most governments are not fully aware of all that is going to happen but have made backup plans and preparations for all worse case scenario’s. You can only imagine what would happen to the world if they knew all that was expected to happen and coming. Everything would fall apart in days to weeks, governments and masses would be out of control if they knew all the details of what’s expected some may even go on suicide missions believing the end of the world is just around the corner.

Some countries will not make it through “Wormwoods pass”- how do you think those people in some of these countries would act finding out they cannot leave their country and they will be completely wiped. out? Some of them include 3rd world countries where they have no way of leaving. There is much more to the story than a simple announcement on CNN of “Oh by the way folks before I forget there is a confirmed brown dwarf star found and on it’s way that is expected to pass between the sun and earth in a few years, it will change every continent, land mass, mountain range causing a catastrophic event and pole shift killing potentially “Billions” so folks there are only a few more years left before life on this planet will change forever." How would the world react to that? In regards to the 2012 site we will have this information plastered all over the web 50+ forums once our websites are setup/complete. In the meantime if you want to do everyone a favor you can always recommend people visit this thread. Appreciate your kind words/suggestions!

Hope today is a brighter/better day!



posted on Oct, 15 2009 @ 10:15 PM
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Hi Redgy,


So this red dwarf star thing has so much gravity within it to stop the earths rotation and also to pull and tip earth over,


Wormwood is border line “Sub-Brown Dwarf”—“Brown Dwarf”star, earth would probably have zero chance if a “Red Dwarf” passed between earth and the Sun.





A sub-brown dwarf is a planetary-mass object whose mass is smaller than the low-mass cut-off for brown dwarfs (around 13 times the mass of Jupiter). Unlike proper brown dwarfs, they are not massive enough to fuse deuterium. Sub-brown dwarfs are formed in the manner of stars, through the collapse of a gas cloud, and not through accretion or core collapse from a circumstellar disc. The distinction between a sub-brown dwarf and a planet is unclear; astronomers are divided into two camps as whether to consider the formation process of a planet as part of its division in classification.
“Wormwood” is border line sub-brown dwarf/brown-dwarf star according to our current understanding/definition of what a sub-brown/dwarf & brown dwarf is.




and since you say that there will also be many objects surrounding this star thing that are getting pulled along with it, what about the moon. wouldn't it be logical that something of this magnitude would also suck the moon from earths weakened gravity when stopped or reversed or while earth is tipping over.


I believe the moon being pulled out of orbit is a possibility depending on positioning/trajectory/pathway or where the brown dwarf crosses paths with earth and the Sun.) but I’ve been shown that won’t happen.!


What about all the other planets between the sun and us, wouldn't this be true for them as well.


Every planet will be affected on one level or another upon “Wormwood’s” pass, there have been observed orbital irregularities- motions on the planets, particularly Uranus and Neptune, that have shown unexplained deviations or perturbations from their calculated orbits. As “wormwood” approaches there will be more and more things happening/found, irregularities on earth- weather, earthquakes, earth changes etc.


If this red star-(Sub-Brown Dwarf/Brown Dwarf) has so much pulling power, wouldn't it also disrupt and even change the path of earth and the other planets around it by changing their orbits around the sun.


A computerized model/astronomical software can show what it can do upon it’s pass depending on the trajectory/alignment and where it crosses paths with the sun and earth.

We can take a look at the asteroid belt and use this as an example of what kind of potential destruction could occur under the right circumstances. A brown dwarf/sub-dwarf drags along debri such as gases (methane), dust, ice-debri, comets/objects in it’s tail and can cause greater damage depending on where it crosses paths with the sun and earth in trajectory/orbit/path.


In other words wouldn't it cause earth and other planets and moons to be shot out into a different path of space or even a different course around the sun. What do you say.


If it was a red dwarf star coming I would say that could be a potential/possibility- but a sub-brown dwarf/brown wouldn’t have enough gravitational force to throw planets/moons into space away from the Sun. (Again a lot of this will also depend on positioning/trajectory/pathway or where the brown dwarf crosses paths with earth and the Sun.) Orbital patterns will be affected/changed and many of the ancient civilizations write about the Sun rising where it now sets and vice/versa! The position of earth to the stars, moon and Sun will change upon “Wormwoods’ pass!


"All objects are plotted to the same scale. On the far left is the limb of the Sun. To its right is shown a very low mass star (a so-called "late-M dwarf"), a couple of brown dwarfs (a hotter "L dwarf" and a cooler "T dwarf"), and the planet Jupiter. These objects have masses ranging from 1050 times that of Jupiter (for the Sun) through 75, 65, 30, and 1 Jupiter mass for the late-M dwarf, L dwarf, T dwarf, and Jupiter, respectively. The colors of the brown dwarfs are chosen to match an age of 1 billion years. Despite the range in mass, all four of the low-mass objects are approximately the same size, ten times smaller than the diameter of the Sun. [This image] shows how these objects might appear to the human eye: the M and L dwarfs are red, while the T dwarf is dimly magenta, due to lack of light -- actually absorptions by sodium and potassium atoms -- in the green portion of the spectrum."



Here is an account from the Egyptian Ipuwer Papyrus!

“The land turns round as does a potter’s wheel. Earth turned upside down, land upside down.”

”Gates, columns, and wall are consumed by fire. The sky is in confusion and the fire ran along upon the ground.”


Can you recall the account of fire coming down from Heaven around the time of Sodom and gamora biblical account coinciding with the “Great Flood”? There are many other ancient civilization accounts all having to do with fire, great earthquakes, re-positioning of the moon/sun/stars, floods and so on.

Images: www.dees2.com...

I recommend you read this that addresses your questions in greater detail on what can be expected upon “Wormwoods” pass.www.millenniumprophecy.com...



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 01:29 AM
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ET_MAN, you have given a huge amount of information and it is hard to dismiss all of it. In fact dismissing it would be foolish as much of it is either scientific fact or based upon fact and reasonable speculation.

In respect of changes to our planet that are to occur before this dwarf star's arrival, I'd like to ask if you have been following the discussions on the following two threads in the past few days:

Strange Rumbling

and

What's Shaking the Skies of the North-West?

Both detail very peculiar events that have been happening recently, both around the US West Coast and in Minnesota. People are hearing sounds that at first seem to come from the sky -- but from no defined point and with no aircraft visible -- and then in some cases they feel and sense the sounds are coming from the ground. These are even being investigated by scientists and no-one has a definitive answer. The second thread includes links to Youtube videos where the sounds have been recorded. They are very eerie. The first thread's OP is intending to travel to the region where the sounds have been reported in his state, to make recordings that he can post here on ATS.

My own main area of interest is seismic activity. (I have around 500 posts just on ATS on this subject.) I have to say that I cannot relate these sounds to known examples of seismic effects. Also, the widespread nature of these sounds (even reported in the British Isles) is quite baffling but seems to portend something extraordinary. So, I'd be glad for your perspective on this.

Many thanks,

Mike



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 11:26 AM
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Thank you for taking time to answer my questions. One last question (well, two I guess), if you'd be so kind.

Imagining/thinking of the degree of destruction on so many levels of this scenario, I can't help but come to the conclusion that the best way to survive would be to get off this planet (temporarily at least) until the immediate crisis subsides. If some of us had the technology/'machinery' to do this, would they allow it to happen? Also, would they allow others of humanity, who already have and use this technology, to interfer with or out-right destroy those who try to escape the chaos?

ET_Man, I've been shown some things as well, although not nearly as much as you have been talking about. Polluted water sources was one of them, at least up in the Tahoe area. There was something reddish brown running in our streams and rivers. Not sure if it was iron oxide and/or other things. * said it would be a major problem in the future. I wonder why I wasn't shown the other stuff...



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 01:10 PM
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I just don't get how TPTB can keep this a secret. Don't they know how upset people will be when they eventually find out?

I have been Remote Viewing events leading up to the passing of this star. I could not understand why people, in general, were so pissed at authorities. I have seen lots of hatred directed at these guys, who are trying to lay low in underground facilities. I am not sure I would want to be in one of those places.

Many will be safe there, but there will be a lot of mixed emotions within the groups. They will fight, kill and abuse eachother also. It will be like living in "HELL".

Much like staying on the surface for this event. Parts of Earth will also seem like a living hell.

I had been thinking my Oct 14th date was about my mortal death. I was corrected there, in that yes, it could be one scenario should there be no assistance from off planet. There is time to interceed our dilema.

We need to mature spiritually before this event. I think that is the intent of disclosure. When people are faced with an event like this, where we were all in the same boat, human nature will work hard to come up with all kinds of solutions. That is what has been taken from us. We will have had no time to reflect on how we have conducted our lives and implement necessary changes in an attempt to present ourselves to our maker, should we expire.

Instead we have been cheated out of time. Time to prepare our selves, not by building bunkers, but by making our wrongfull acts right. That in itself will be a large fuel source for public unrest. People, in general will feel slighted and cheated. I would not want to be standing in front of this angry mob who are staring death in the face. They would have nothing to lose, not even their lives.

I would not be so secure, if I had a spot underground and had contributed to the cover-up. This information was never meant for a select few. That is the problem here on Earth. There seems to always be a select few who decide what is best for the general population, even if it means hiding sensitive information.

I am also aware that offworld PTB know of this and have made plans accordingly. These plans include changes in how humans interact with eachother, here on Earth.

According to Sumerian tablets, Earth enjoyed 1,000 years of a utopian life along with spiritual emphasis after the flood of Noah's records. It seems that with more people comes more corruption. There may have been only a few thousand people left after that event.

It is also written that we would not be allowed to experience another event like that.

I have one question.

Can we expect to see a rescue? That was a promise, supposedly.

My visions include a rescue of humanity along with full disclosure going back to creation. This will be for the human race who have been abandoned on the surface of the planet. It will not be for the people hiding in bunkers. They will be left to live or die as they have chosen.



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 01:28 PM
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I just don't get how TPTB can keep this a secret. Don't they know how upset people will be when they eventually find out?


I think keeping this information a secret is the right thing to do actually. I prefer two years of civilization functioning instead of people stopping going to work, fighting governments, losing hope. There is no way any society can keep functioning if everybody knows they only have 2 years left to live and most of them will be abandoned when things get bad.

I like it just the way it is. I have the information I need if I want to try and survive, and I still will have working stores to get my food and water from for a while longer.

I suspect history has always been like this. A select few has known whats coming while the great majority has not.



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