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Now that it appears that we've graduated from the 7th grade shenanigans... Beamish, what "dimensions" are being "crossed" to "induce" a "lapse" of what, exactly?
If my memory serves correct, he stated ET_MAN is the next Jim Jones.
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Why does a "messenger" of salvation need to resort to fearmongering, confrontation, and arrogance?
Beamish's point was that these are all symptomatic of cult behavior. No attacks here, just discussing this possibility with you. And whoever is whispering in your ear.
"I expect" [positive] "nor want" [negative] "anyone to blindly believe..." Well, which is it? "...exposed to all willfully and freely offered independent testimony." I am not sure if these are typos, or a very creative effort at (or failure to conceal evidence of) subconscious manipulation. Either way, I will re-post the bit about cults as it seems very relevant to this civil discussion (originally posted by Beamish):
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You know, from your reply, it’s clear and unarguable that you have a strong faith.
Things seem to be going wrong on a global scale; safety of employment, country, home and family values are all swiftly becoming distant memories; the authorities we have long trusted now appear to have neglected their duties towards upholding morality and peace; we are – if we choose to be – surrounded by doom and gloom and threat from outer (and inner) space, our neighbours, our elected leaders and the hierarchical representatives of our various faiths.
So I can’t blame you for holding onto something that gives you hope and places within you a conviction that there is a reason and cause for all we are going through and, ultimately, a reward for all your belief and suffering.
However, what really galls me about certain types of religious devotion is this seemingly ever-present belief that those who don’t follow your religion – and I term religion as any belief-system – are somehow lesser beings, doomed to a hell of their own making, and always, always wrong. What absolute arrogance.
What a spectacularly supercilious approach to a subject that no one has the real answers to.
All you are doing is following the words of Man, the physical authors of the holy books you read, and I say that because as far as I know, no holy book was actually written by the creator in person.
Amid all the scripture and commands about what you should eat and drink, when and where you should pray and wear when you’re doing it, what patch of soil belongs to who and who is the “chosen” race/religion/creed, and what not do with your – or anyone else’s body – has it ever occurred that the creator of everything you know seems, well, a little picky?
Do you honestly believe that the creator of all things – including you – needs written commands to tell us what to do?
Yet, Man accepts commands from other Men to tell them what to do, even if those commands fly in the face of the most simple, universally understandable law; be nice, be strong and help one another.
I leave you to ET_MAN, your religion, and anything else you wish to follow.
I’m not here to change your mind, just to offer an alternative opinion. Can I support my viewpoint? No. Then again, neither can you.
…what brought me here to ATS with the message brought forth is of an utmost serious nature, so it holds responsibility and a greater degree of accountability that I do accept.
I wish you the very best for the greatest good to occur in your life and even though I have been tempted to leave this thread on more than one occasion, feeling there is not too much more to add, I will see it through as far as it is meant to go.
Who is keeping this thing going...other delusionals?
Most atheists claim to have difficulty with anything supernatural, or of spiritual nature. Naturally the topic of Fatima presents a very difficult hurtle, as the Miracle of the Sun was witnessed by up to 100,000 people and as far 32 miles away. Witnesses to the Miracle were astonished by the spectacular demonstration, not only did they see the fire of the sun detach itself and fall upon the earth, but they felt the intense heat. The flooded grounds and their soaked clothes from the torrential rain, just prior to the miracle, dried up immediately before their eyes. Some were up to their ankles in mud, then standing upon dry soil. Moreover, it was the only miracle in the history of the world that God performed at a predicted time and place. As our Holy Mother of God explained: "So that all may believe". And most astounding, even as the Catholic Church spent 13 years investigating, the atheist communist tabloids acknowledged it as a miracle by God the very next morning.....
One witness was about 18 kilometers away (approximately 11 miles) in the town of Alburitel. People were streaming along the road through the town, on their way to Fatima. The people in his town thought it was foolish to believe the three children who were predicting that there was going to be a Miracle that day. He described a man standing along the side of the road laughing, ridiculing and scoffing at the drove of people passing through the town; "Foolish people! For three children, you are coming from where? Walking in this soaking rain!" It was a terrible rainstorm, a drenching downpour that was causing flooding. He said; "The sun began to move in the sky. Everyone noticed the change in the atmosphere. There were colors, and the sun began to move in the sky. People were so frightened that they all began to run to the Church. And then suddenly, the sun seemed to plunge down upon them" (7 minutes 30 seconds in).
Now evidence has surfaced that something potentially more dangerous is happening deep within the hidden core of our life-giving star: never-before-seen particles—or some mysterious force—is being shot out from the sun and it’s hitting Earth.
Whatever it is, the evidence suggests it’s affecting all matter....