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Warnings From The Benevolents!

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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 07:14 AM
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Originally posted by Beamish

Tough. You’re getting an answer. This is called free speech, something you obviously don’t like if it goes against your beliefs. Way to go.
I said don't BOTHER,i didn't say CAN'T. I didn't want the thread to be further side-tracked thats all.




And “ignorance”? This from someone who will happily believe the words of a self-proclaimed deliverer of an “alien” message…
You too are an alien,you do realise that right ? You are of extra-terrestrial origin,just like all of us. Think about that.




How do you know it’s important? Because it “resonates” with you? Ever considered that the “message” is very carefully worded to draw in certain people? How can you tell his message of peace and love is not completely disingenuous, that it’s merely a façade for ET_MAN creating an online epistemic community?
The message SHOULD draw in ANY person with a conscience. If Et-Man can open people up to embracing accountability for ones actions, then that is only a good thing. It is IMPORTANT ,his message,because >> when people who live by "the Law of ONE" state that evil acts are ok and all part of the plan, then they deny accountability,they also accept evil as OK. So when Et-Man claims that evil acts are not okay, and that there is an eternal law, the law of accountability and every person will have consequences to their evil deeds/actions...consequences that may take some people to hell-zones so to speak.
All he is saying is to embrace accountability.THAT is an IMPORTANT message, because otherwise people are in danger of having to suffer much pain for the evil deeds they may have done,all because they denied ACCOUNTABILITY for their actions.




Show me how you can tell me it’s all true, and I’ll back off with an apology.
Never did anyone say to BELIEVE him, only that everyone PONDERS and WEIGHS in the gravity of what he is saying. To think about accountability among other things.






Knowledge”? Last time I looked, he is dealing in theory, not fact. His knowledge is – if you disbelieve the supposed provenance of this information (which I do) – “a priori”; all assumption with no supportive facts. You, and many others on this thread I would wager, consider him to be the bearer of “a posteriori” knowledge; gained via genuine experience. Time travelling to other planets? Oh please…
The word knowledge doesn't simply apply or is limited to facts of earthly things. The word also includes spiritual knowledge, namely conscience being a good example of knowledge of higher order. Now if one reads what he says with conscience, then one realizes there is an eternal law of accountability based on ones actions. There's only 2 ways about it, a person either embraces conscience and accountability for ones actions or he denies and fears these notions.
Now if one fears and denies conscience,and thus accountability,then for that person it may very well be theory.But a person who possesses conscience and thus embraces accountability for ones actions, to those people it is obvious as fact.
If conscience and accountability are alien notions to you,that you deny,then it is a theory for you I guess.



Once again I ask; how do you know he isn’t just saying “the right thing” to draw you in?
draw me into what, a sect of some sort ? And what would the basis of that sect be . Possessing a conscience and having accountability for ones actions ?! Sounds like notions most people have anyway.
The message SHOULD draw in ANY person with a conscience. If Et-Man can open people up to embracing accountability for ones actions, then that is only a good thing. Because there are consequences to ones actions,and if people think there are none,who deny conscience and accountability, then they are in danger of commiting evil acts that they think are ok and all part of the plan anyway.So to possess a conscience and be AWARE of accountability based on ones actions is only sparing some spirits/people the pain and suffering of consequences to evil acts. And trying to spare them from that because of having genuine love for people/spirits. To go ahead and call such a person a snake-oil salesman is denying conscience and accountability.


And, in my opinion, you qualify as a follower of a snake-oil salesman if you believe the core contents of this thread is based in reality. And you have no clue as to my involvement in this thread either; I first contributed two years ago.
The core contents of this thread is being aware of accountability to ones actions and also cleansing ones soul to be spiritually ready for the hard times ahead, events,some of which ET-Man has shared. Now what is not based in reality here ? Those things are very much based in reality and this is the only reason this thread got created.
To warn people, to be forewarned is to be forearmed...being spiritually content and ready,having a conscience and an awareness of accountabiltiy for ones actions. If you contributed 2 years ago, I am surprised you have not caught on to what this thread has always been about based on the OP's many posts. conscience,accountability,being spiritually ready, front and center allover this thread.

I agree with his message,because I possess a conscience, I am aware of consequences to my actions,being accountable and I find it important to be spiritually ready for the very hard times ahead on this Earth. That doesn't make me a follower of anything except my own heart/spirit.



Originally posted by Valeri
Some of your minds are made up…



As, patently, is yours. Pot kettle black..
Yes,I must say I possess a conscience and realize I am accountable for my doings. In that I am set and won't go the other route of denying conscience and accountability.


Originally posted by Valeri
So do me and others a favor, if your minds are MADE UP about the things discussed here, if your mind is MADE UP of who ET-Man is and what he represents, then please, stop suffocating the other posters and MANY readers of this thread who have actually bothered to read many of his posts, because they have genuine intent to understand what he is trying to convay to all of us here.



So do I. Is that a crime? Is the fact that I don’t agree with his world-view anathema to you? If so, why?
That's funny,you say you do too,as in have genuine intent to understand what he is trying to convey...and then you say you don't agree with his world-view.
So what it means then is that you DO UNDERSTAND what he is conveying, but you simply don't agree with it, the notions of "Conscience" "Accountabiltiy for ones actions" and being "spiritually ready for the times ahead".
Hey,like I said, IF you deny conscience,being accountable for ones actions and so on,then that is your choise. I am sorry you feel that way.



Absolutely not a problem. I would love to engage him in conversation man to man. Heck, you could join in too.
I would not mind at all, would love to hear your thoughts on these matters,without the limitations and constraints of the world wide web in the way.Who knows,we might find that we share the same understandings in many cases,at least when it comes to conscience,accountability and love.


And, by the way; ET_MAN is promoting love and peace and oneness, and, as it is now clear, you are of the same opinion in that you agree with his messages and believe them wholeheartedly, otherwise why this attack on me?
I'll quote myself again>>
''I agree with his message,because I possess a conscience, I am aware of consequences to my actions,being accountable and I find it important to be spiritually ready for the very hard times ahead on this Earth. That doesn't make me a follower of anything except my own heart/spirit.''

I don't believe or follow anyone/anything except my own heart/spirit knowledge. And if ET-Mans understandings and knowledge are similar or same, then that is simply fortunate. It's the message that I know to be true. But are you yourself not a supporter of love,peace and oneness in spirit(not directly spirit intelligences all being ONE intelligent being) ?


So, let me point out these little gems you’ve used in your post:


Originally posted by Valeri

how foolish…you don't even know or understand what it is he has been saying…My plea - Just get a clue! Stop embarassing yourselves.. some of you have simply been too LAZY…you have no business claiming to know anything…Why do you keep hanging aorund here like damn blood-sucking LEECHES who don't bring anything to the table, save ignorance and malice of words…stop poisoning this thread with ignorance and ill-advised opinions…being stuck in their small box of opinionated awareness…So do me and others a favor…stop suffocating the other posters…Don't bother to answer this post…stop side-tracking the thread with ignorance…you are too opinionated,too stuck in your own view of how things should be and how questions SHOULD be answered.



Charming. Just charming. What colour are the robes for your cult?
Again the cult,you seem to be rather obsessed with thinking everyone has some kind of cult or following. I don't see anything in my quote there that has any connection to a cult whatsoever. What I will say is this, while I do REAFFIRM what i stated there,and will gladly say it again...i do have rough edges ,so yes,I did get quite frustrated and put some analogies in there that I probably shouldnt've( the leeches for ex). But the underlying core and basis of what I said in that quote still holds true.
Anyone is welcome to post,but I don't think it helps anyone if certain individuals keep posting the same questions over and over again, never satisfied with the answer they were given to that same question prior to asking it again. And it makes one wonder what are the motives of such actions,going in circles and never bringing any argumentative criticism to ones posts,but simply repeating "he's a snake-oil salesman" routine without any basis for such claims, for tens if not hundreds of pages on this thread,and on other threads as well.

As for me using not "pretty" words to describe the actions of such posters,well I apologize for that,i am only human and I do get frustrated at times.
edit on 8/31/2011 by Valeri because: (no reason given)




posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 08:16 AM
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While I appreciate the sentiment my friend, I am merely a reflection of light in this world. Those who suffer in the name of righteousness, those who mourn, those who are poor in spirit, those who are meek, those who suffer in Christ's name, the weak, the down trodden, all who cry out for the promised world, they are the lights of this world. As to what the OP is thinking, I do not know. What I do know is that he is my Brother. Nothing else matters. When trying to explain the unexplainable, it is only natural that we confuse each other with our words. Times like these call for a shrug and a hug. With Love, Your Brother
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Well I am thanking you and will again,I'm sure, for shining your light on all of us. Out of the darkness there is light and I thank God for that. We are able to "see" better when our mind is lit with the flaming words of Love.


He is our Brother, you are right. Understanding ones words can sometimes be complicated but by asking for clarity one can be sure to know what the message is and not get caught up in the passing "arguments".

If I could hug each and every one of you....I would. This is all I can do though.. for now. ((((((HUGS))))))



For the people involved in this thread!!!!!


Hope you ALL have a grrrreat day and please know that sometimes our expectations of others can be a let down. Try having love for one another without expectations of that said love. It is hard sometimes but at the end of the day....nothing else matters. We will love each other no matter what. We all have differences and a difference of opinion but ....who doesn't.


The only Word's I will ever truly trust and rely on are that of Jesus Christ! Amen...and Amen!!!! xoxoxox

Jenn



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 08:22 AM
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((((HUGS))))) for you this morning honey!!!!


Accountability was set into motion as far back as we know....cause and effect is a known law and it is proven in our daily lives ...so so sooooooooo true!!!

Hope you all have a great day today!!

Peace and love to you and yours!!!! xoxoxox

Jenn



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 08:29 AM
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I said don't BOTHER,i didn't say CAN'T. I didn't want the thread to be further side-tracked thats all.


Don’t bother as in…?

Once again, this is free speech.

An opposite opinion is not side-tracking the thread. If there were no differing views, then this thread would turn into a lecture. Maybe that’s what ET_MAN and his verifiers want, maybe I’m wrong.


You too are an alien,you do realise that right ? You are of extra-terrestrial origin,just like all of us. Think about that.


Interesting theory. On what are you basing this?


If Et-Man can open people up to embracing accountability for ones actions, then that is only a good thing.


Well, considering that every single, right-thinking Human being knows that they are accountable for their actions – be it under the umbrella of civil law, religious guilt or moral dilemma – I don’t see why he’s pushing the point.

It’s a normal Human experience; you break a law then you will feel something, either pleasure that you’ve indulged yourself, guilt that you’ve hurt someone, or justification that a boundary needed to be overstepped.

We all know how life should be, but sometimes we just don’t care. It’s part of our evolution, an enhanced throw back to our animalistic sense of self-preservation.

We all have an in-built sense of right and wrong, it’s just down to the individual as to how you deal with it; we know we’re accountable in one way or another, but we still do what we “have” to do. The exception would be those with sociopathic/psychopathic tendencies.

However; when you start throwing in specific laws of a religious nature designed to condemn this natural state of being under the threat of eternal damnation if you don’t, then that’s when it all becomes pie in the sky.

Humans don’t respond well to threats, as if they did, not one devout Christian would have ever committed a sin. And we all know many have.


If conscience and accountability are alien notions to you,that you deny,then it is a theory for you I guess.


Hope the above answered your question. Accountability is a choice. Sometimes, people make the wrong choice.


draw me into what, a sect of some sort ? And what would the basis of that sect be . Possessing a conscience and having accountability for ones actions ?!


You’re answering my question rather disturbingly. It matters that ET_MAN started this thread with dire warnings of death and destruction, hints at his “uniqueness” and amazing travels through time and space, subtly dropping in Biblical and Christian canon, adding glitzy Youtube videos, utilizing New Age concepts and the idea of a “Family of Light”. All without a single piece of evidence.

Cults form for two reasons; people want to serve God/ET etc., and want to feel safe and protected – to find a spiritual home - at the same time. Every church is a cult. It doesn’t have to be a physical structure; even a loosely-knitted online community can be a cult.

And there are several signs that a cult is forming, even if it wasn’t intentional – you see for yourself if these examples haven’t already occurred in this thread;

Compliance with the group – hasn’t ET_MAN already “edited” some ATS members posts before they are posted? Group agreement, etc’, praise for those who support him.

Dependence on a leader – you, and all his verifiers (those who support his message at the expense of differing opinion), look to him for guidance. How many years have you been reading this thread?

Avoidance of dissent – the classic “this message is for those whose eyes and ears it was meant”. All other opinion doesn’t count.

Devaluation of outsiders – your previous post to me is a prime example; basically telling me to shut up and get out, as I know nothing. AdonaiChristBless11’s reaction to my posts is a classic example (though I believe there may be issues involved there that should be treated very carefully).

These are not accusations, merely observations.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 08:43 AM
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But are you yourself not a supporter of love,peace and oneness in spirit(not directly spirit intelligences all being ONE intelligent being) ?


Of course I am.

There’s nothing I want more than to be at peace. Believe me.

I’m as sick as any sane individual who constantly sees war and violence and suffering and hunger as our only newsworthy achievements. Too much fear. It breaks my heart.

But I will not try and grab some comfort from the words of someone on a conspiracy website who practices the exact same modus operandi as every other religion/church we as a race have concocted.

There has to be an answer to this hole we are in.

I just don’t believe it will come from a time-travelling preacher (even though I would love it to). It’s far too easy to become fluent in the necessary disciplines needed to convince others you have the answer.

Of course, if he were to offer evidence, solid, irrefutable evidence



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 08:45 AM
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Hi Vorlon128,


Ok I am getting a bit pissed of about all the good people preaching love an understanding

I see discussing and sharing.


while spewing out how all the evil things in the world must be "dealt" with

Sharing eternal law of how things are and will always be based on cause and effect in spirit for choices/decisions/actions is not really wanting it to be that way. Moreso sharing the truth of how it is based on eternal principles and understandings.


How do "you" know if someone is evil or not?

How can one know if something is hot or cold or not? Is there a temperature somewhere in between that distinguishes one from the other?


Who are you to judge someone else?

If you pick up a block of ice and say it's cold is that judging or speaking the truth of what it is?


You have not lived their lives, you have not seen through their eyes. Have you felt their suffering, their memories that changed their life to the worse? Have you been beaten as a child, raped, molested, tortured and grew up totally #ed up in the head because of it? I will not, and never will judge someone. Its not my place. I can only see the world from my perspective, and noone elses.

Nobody should make judgment on a person directly but one can stand up for the truth about the actions of a person. There's a difference of pointing out that a person threw a ball at another person and making direct judgment of the person that threw the ball.


People growing up with negetive tools will use negative tools to others. when will we instead show them the positive ways of life?

This is where the truth of the teachings of Jesus Christ come into action.

"You are the Light of the world if you abide in Good works. A city on a hill cannot be hidden. Neither do people Light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives Light to everyone in the house. In the same way, let your Light shine before men, that they may see your Good Works.”


Will the rapist not be a rapist if he gets a 40 years prison sentence? Can you make a negative existence less negative with negative tools? NO, not in my opinion.

Open questions for you or anyone...

Are evil actions necessary to make the world a less negative existence?

Is putting a person in prison 40 years for rape a negative or evil action?

Does good and evil need to exist in the world to keep it in balance?

Do evil actions happen for a reason/purpose, if so what is the reason/purpose?


If we want to live in a world of positive energies and love, we must help those in the negative part of the spectrum.

That is what I've personally dedicated my life to and not just on a small conspiracy forum site but in everything I do and I agree.

"You are the Light of the world if you abide in Good works. A city on a hill cannot be hidden. Neither do people Light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives Light to everyone in the house. In the same way, let your Light shine before men, that they may see your Good Works.”


They are in the deep darkness where the light seldom reaches. They are lost and don't know how to help themselves.

They are not far distant away and the darkness comprehends not the light but if one humbles themselves and prays sincerely asking for guidance, direction and assistance in their lives to the Father/Family in the Heavens, the Spirit of Truth which is the Light can enlighten their minds and open their understanding.


How will we help those that cant help themselves?

By befriending them and shining the Light.


because that is what I think we need to do, as hot is energy in abundance, so must we warm those that is in the cold darkness by bringing light to them.

Hot and Cold, Good and Evil, Negative and Positive, there is a difference between the opposites somewhere along the line. For some a certain temperature may not yet be considered hot while for others that same temperature would be considered hot thus as good and evil can be subjective to a certain level/degree so can hot and cold. On the other hand if you turn up the temperature eventually everyone-1 gives in and says That's HOT. Oh yeah and That's Cold. So there is truth up to a certain temperature/level/degree when it comes to good and evil being subjective, but turn up the heat in temperature and eventually everyone can recognize that Oh Yeah that's HOT and there is a difference between HOT and COLD.

Love & Best Wishes!



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 08:54 AM
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Hi MamaJ,


Love is the Key!

Love is the key if one can recognize what Love is.

If actions such as murder, torture and rape are considered to be Love for someone than Love loses it's true definition/meaning.

I agree that Love is the key if Love is interpreted and understood correctly.

Love & Best Wishes!



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 09:12 AM
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Ha! Well I would say that if someone kills someone else they do not know nor do they show LOVE.

What is Love by your definition brother?

I can spank my kids per cause and effect and say I love them too....how confusing huh? Put fear in them and then say I love you.?

They concept is still the same. Love is the key! Love with all you do and all you say without condition or expectations. Jesus showed us how to Love!!

You cannot love someone and kill them. That is the opposite emotion. Fear.

Jesus is the way and the light. He is the only one who knows when the end is here. He said there would be signs.....we have a few more signs to go if you believe in Jesus Christ.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 09:19 AM
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Hot and Cold, Good and Evil, Negative and Positive, there is a difference between the opposites somewhere along the line.


Of course there is, in fact, I think the word "God" came from that which is Good, and "Devil" from that which is Evil, or, more simply, that which is Positive or Negative, as you so aptly put it. Every living soul, on this planet or otherwise, is one or the other. You can easily tell too, just open your eyes to this: Is the person in service to self, or to others? There is not a great deal of grey area here, just a little, reference Yin and Yang...a little evil in every good thing, and a little good in every evil thing.



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 09:34 AM
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I found this website very interesting in regards to Spiritless Humans and thought it might help us understand each other and communicate in a more productive or positive way. Source



How do I know I’m not a spiritless person? – If you have experienced even one trait unique to spirit, then you are not spiritless. The very fact that you have wondered this, that you are uncertain and wish to know for sure, shows self-awareness and introspection, which is another trait of having spirit. Regardless, it is better to assume that you do have spirit and work on developing its qualities like intuition, empathy, and lucidity, all the while being aware of your lower egotistical impulses and keeping from acting on them.




Caution and Conclusion

It would be unwise, however, to look down upon the spiritless with contempt. They are what they are, living their lives in accordance with their makeup. They should be handled no differently from how one handles a wild animal that acts according to its feral nature. It is only by trying to hold the spiritless up to higher spiritual standards that frustration sets in. Without expecting too much of them, and by understanding why they behave as they do, frustration gives way to calm insight.

Nor is it worth going out of your way to try and spot who is spiritless, because in ambiguous cases you will likely err on the side of paranoia. Since spiritless behaviors form a subset of the behaviors of spirited people, only the behaviors unique to spirited people can allow quick and certain identification, and then only of who is definitely spirited. Spotting only works for picking out who is truly spirited, which happens most easily with a spirited individual on your wavelength. You will sense the life in their eyes, the clear and unique energy behind their words, and the originality and independence behind their thought processes.




posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 10:12 AM
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Hi IAMIAM,



Q. Are you me and am I you?

A. In so far as we are all a part of the whole, yes.

The whole of creation within earth's perceived universe organized by eternal elements such as energy/matter within the Creation being part of the One whole of the creation within earth's universe you mean?

What is Spirit in your eyes and is there only one Spirit?


Our individuality is carved by us from our flesh and it's experiences.

A soul born into the world of the opposition structure is influenced by the environment, society and world around it that influences who they choose to become based on education, upbringing, family circumstances among many other things etc. What you say is partly true just incomplete and lacking the full truth of who one-1 really (IS).

Everyone-1 is an Eternal 'soul' and there are Infinite Eternal Soul-1's ---111111111's, Each (1) not artificial intelligence but an eternal soul/being/spirit-intelligence; everything with a beginning has an ending in one/form/way or another. You are eternal and separate from the other 1111111111's but you share 'Oneness' in likeness being (1) of infinite other 1111111111's which are eternal, each having infinite potential with the capability of eternal progression without end.

One-1 Eternal Family with Infinite 1111111111's, Each 1 occupying space within the Infinite whole of Infinite Space, but 'souls' are not the space in which they occupy or the other objects around them.

The meaning of Oneness you are implying and others that refer to the law of one doesn't mean everyone-1 and everything is only One; but moreso that everyone-1 and everything occupies something within something. Made up of something and in this case energy/matter of earth's universe; having a ONE likeness in composition/material in matter and in life-force/spirit behind that energy composition/matter but the spirit-intelligences/souls are not the energy/matter or the life-force/spirit.

The spirit/intelligences/souls occupying the energy/matter/bodies share a ONE in likeness of all things within earth's universe creation; all things consisting of energy/matter within the ONE whole apple universe. Thinking beyond the One Apple box IS to understand that there are infinite ONE-1 apples of different kinds/types within infinite other ONE-111's. Infinite within Infinite = There is no ONE whole but infinite One-1 wholes (plural) within infinite. Beyond the One-1 apple universe exists other universes/realms/existences with materials that are nothing like the energy/matter of earth's ONE whole apple universe.

The ONE in likeness of earth's universe that 'souls' presently share a Oneness with occupying energy/matter/bodies within the ONE whole apple Universe are not made up of the same stuff as the other universes BEYOND the ONE whole apple universe. Therefore the ONE of everything in likeness is only applicable to the ONE whole of earth's universe or these types/kinds of universes made up of the same stuff or energy/matter with life-force/spirit; only applicable to earth's universe or earth's type of energy/matter universe/existence. The earth life opposition structure is not ONE with the higher existences beyond. The materials beyond the earth life universe/existence are unlike anything found within earth's universe/creation.

When a group of people enter into a hotel they are not the hotel itself, even if they are made up of the same composition/matter/energy as the hotel but they are separate 'souls' occupying the same space within the hotel. Each soul infinite as an eternal spirit/intelligence without beginning or ending; infinite within infinite. Each 'soul' sharing a Oneness in Likeness behind the energy/matter/body but each soul not being ONE and the same soul or the hotel.

One-1 knew before they were born that they were coming to earth for a body and experiences; that they would have joys and sorrows, pain and comforts, ease and hardships, health and sickness, successes and disappointments. They knew that being born of a mortal body of flesh also involved death and that they would surely die.

'Souls' accepted all these eventualities with a glad heart, eager to accept both the favorable and unfavorable. One-1 must go through the process of the earth life opposition structure; the dross of nature and 'souls' must necessarily be cleansed and purified.



Q. If you are me and I am you then doesn't that mean that you started this thread?

A. The differences between you and I and even our threads is they and we are dressed in our own experiences in the past, and lavished with our vision for the future.

Along with experiences of having visited higher existences with memory of it. Just as real as your experiences living in this world. As you have memories of your past experiences in this world so do I have memories of experiences in higher existences/Heavens beyond this world. You are not directly me and I am not directly you but we are Family in Spirit, each of us being 1 of Infinite 11111111's in our own eternal right, the spirit-intelligence/soul of us (IS) Eternal.



Q. Are we really ONE and the same?

A. As every nut and bolt is different in a car, yet still the same car, so too are you and I the same, yet different.

Your above statement is applicable to the Creation of organized energy/matter found within earth's perceived universe within creation --- human bodies, trees, fish, birds, rocks, dirt, animals and everything found and seen within nature/creation. The planet and all planets, suns, stars and everything perceived within earth's universe by the perception of the human eye. It all had a beginning and was organized from eternal elements and put into creation by the Creator/Creators of earth's universe.

It is ONE in what you perceive it to be based on the energy/matter of all things perceived by the human eye being made up of the same stuff or energy/matter but you are not the energy/matter but are an Eternal 'Soul' that occupies a body of energy/matter that shares a Oneness with all other things consisting of energy/matter in ONE.

There is another element behind all energy/matter which is the life-force/spirit behind all of Creation but a 'soul' is not the life-force/spirit but ONE with it while occupying the energy/matter/body; ONE with all other things within earth's perceived universe being made up of the same stuff or energy/matter. The 'soul' of you comes from beyond earth's perceived universe and IS eternal. The Spirit Family exists beyond earth's space/time/universe and you are part of the Eternal Spirit Family who chose beforehand to experience the earth life opposition structure by freewill/choice; knowing beforehand that it was part of the process necessary to go through and experience for eternal progression to make it to the next level up on the eternal ladder. (The Beyond)


WE are family, yet if you exclude me from your family based on your own judgment, then even our family is divided.

Of course never exclude anyone-1 from the Truth of what we really are which (IS) Family in Spirit and Eternal-11111111's being infinite and eternal within ourselves.


A family divided against itself will not stand.

It's a good message to share with the winter-lands/underworld-existences; with the beings/entities/spirits that run them.


I would hate to be driving that car whose engine decided the tires were unworthy of being a part of the car because they were different

If a creator designs a car in a certain way to run and function for it's intended purpose (which is eternally for the betterment of all parts by design) and some parts in that car go bad or break down such as a tire that's blown out or an engine that stops. The owner/designer of that universe/car will do all they can to fix the parts going against the intended purpose/creation of the car, (which is eternally for the betterment of all parts by design) but if a part continues to not function going against the creations intended purpose by design; the creator/designer of the car by eternal law must release the parts that have gone bad (the parts that were given many chances) and must allow them to be taken out from the universe/car for a time/period - where the parts will not be attached to the life-force/spirit of the creator/designer's car anymore, where there will be weeping and winter-land/hellish existences.



Quote ”Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”

Comment: Ah, but one cannot call another good or evil without making a judgment that one has no authority to make. In making that judgment, one tends to bring judgment upon himself.

If you throw a ball at a person and someone says to you why did you throw a ball at that person, is that a judgment? Is speaking the truth a judgment.

There is a thing called 'right judgment' by pointing out that a person threw a ball at another person and speaking the truth about what happened. That is not a judgment but telling it the way it is and the truth.

Nobody should make judgment on a person directly but one can stand up for the truth about the actions of a person. There's a difference of pointing out that a person threw a ball at another person and making direct judgment of the person that threw the ball.

You often use quotes coming from the teachings of Christ but how is it that you don't truly see and understand the True Teachings of Christ?

When I say that you don't truly see and understand the True Teachings of Christ, am I making a judgment upon you or a 'right judgment' speaking the truth and telling you the way it is?

The Light never denies what Light IS, but stands up for the Truth of Light that reveals all things in darkness, so that all may see the Light.

Those in darkness comprehend not the Light and if one is in darkness then how difficult will it be for them to see, understand and comprehend the Light for what it truly IS.

Some may need to feel the heat before they see the Light.


What is this eternal LAW?

Eternal law is something that has always been; something that has always existed from eternity to eternity, nobody created eternal law or made it the way it IS; eternal law has always been the way it IS. Eternal law brings cause and effect in spirit to 'souls' based on their choices/decisions/actions according to their understanding/knowledge/intent/conscience. Some call it karma; others call it the law of harvest where a persons reaps what they sow. Is there a way to get around eternal law for 'souls' that have done horrible things to others? Questions, questions and more questions...


Even a police officer is required to inform you of exactly which Law or statute you are in violation of.

For 'souls' on earth the 'conscience' of a person can be likened to the police officer letting them know when they are crossing that line in violation. With the 'conscience' comes guilt, one can be led down a path where they slowly lose their 'conscience' having no guilt; having performed many horrible acts (that are hot in temperature) against others where after time they become numb/cold in spirit. This is a car part that has gone bad within the car structure, they will temporally be placed in winter-land/underworld existences according to eternal law.

Premeditated cold blooded murder out of hate with intent to make one suffer has no forgiveness in the earth life (according to eternal law) and those who've crossed that line going against their conscience will inevitably experience their time/period/sentence in the winter-land/underworld existences.

As seen in the movie clip below taken from What Dreams May Come, it is stated “there is a natural order to things” well there is an 'Eternal order to things” based on Eternal principles and understandings of how things are, were and will always be. (Eternal Law)




Yes, the truth WILL be heard. Yes, there are many versions being propagated as the "Light" truth.

Regardless of how many different versions of the proclaimed Truth there are out there, it doesn't ever change the ONE-1 Eternal Truth of how things are, were and will always be. The One-1 Eternal Truth stays the same today, yesterday and forever.


Real TRUTH comes from within.

Eternal TRUTH can be received from within if One-1's in tune with the One-1 Eternal Truth station according to the Spirit of Truth; Eternal Truth IS only received when connected with the One-1 Eternal Truth Station and 'souls' do have the capability to connect and receive from within.

Those who seek to find the One-1 Eternal Truth from within cannot find the One-1 Eternal Truth on their own or by themselves. Everyone-1 on planet earth is being guided/helped/assisted more than one-1 can ever see, know, understand or realize. If what you say were full truth then everyone-1 seeking within themselves would already have the same answers on what the truth is; evidence in itself shows that truth doesn't just come from within one-1's self, otherwise everyone-1 on earth would have the same answers and same truths found within themselves. There is only One-1 Eternal Truth, not many different versions.


if Christ is the way, the truth, and the life then I would not need another to tell me about it, it would come from within.

If connected to the One-1 Eternal Truth station.


Remarkably, Christ said the same thing, and he was correct.

Where? Let's further discuss...


See ya round my friend.

Peace be with you IAMIAM and Thanks for participating in this thread.

Love & Best Wishes!



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by Beamish
Don’t bother as in…?
All I meant by bother is that you don’t have to waste your precious energy on replying to my post,which I made just to get my own stance out in the open on certain things. So symbolically all I meant by it is “you don’t have to” reply. However,if you choose to reply,it fine by all means.


Once again, this is free speech.
yes it is,I agree.


An opposite opinion is not side-tracking the thread. If there were no differing views, then this thread would turn into a lecture. Maybe that’s what ET_MAN and his verifiers want, maybe I’m wrong.
I do not support lecturing, however sharing, advising and warning about some dangers I do support. As for opposing opinions,I actually embrace opposing opinions as long as they are not just basless judging and accusations towards a person without a rational reason for it.


Interesting theory. On what are you basing this?
Simply basing it on us being spirits and only temporarily occupying a human vessel body,temporarily residing on planet Earth within this Universe. Our origin being in spirit,not being terrestrial , so affectively rendering us to be of extra-terrestrial(not of Earth) origin in our very essence.


Well, considering that every single, right-thinking Human being knows that they are accountable for their actions – be it under the umbrella of civil law, religious guilt or moral dilemma – I don’t see why he’s pushing the point.
He’s pushing the point because there are some people who truly feel and believe that the underlying idea of “The Law of One” , “RA Material”, “Hidden Hand” material etc is true, in that both loving and evil acts are equal in value and importance when it comes to spiritual evolution/progression. So by believing this notion,they see evil acts as needed and okay,in order to progress further spiritually. The danger of such a belief is that it puts people at risk of commiting acts of evil,without being aware that there will be consequences of what they did based on ACCOUNTABILITY.

Evil acts have their own consequences, and those consequences are NOT progression of the spirit, it is degression, based on eternal law of accountability. What you sow,you shall reap. The “Law of One” has convinced some people that evil acts are needed and equal in value when it comes to spiritual progression, so they are at risk of commiting acts of evil,that they don’t see as bad for the spirit(who they are). Reality is, there is accountability ,karma,consequences to ones actions , the eternal boomerang,call it what you will. Doesn’t change the fact of the matter. Those who believe evil and good are both equal in value/importance and are BOTH NEEDED to PROGRESS/EVOLVE spiritually have been DECEIVED.

But don’t take my word for it, just listen to what your heart/conscience/spirit tells you about what I am saying. You know within that I am telling it how it is,that there is accoutnability,the eternal spiritual kind,where a person will go through similar(or maybe even same) acts of evil that he comitted onto others, and this is NOT PUNISHMENT. This karma,this accountability is needed in order for the spirit to fully and perfectly realize and understand what it is that he did to other spirits. The only way to have “perfect understanding” of what one did, one has to literally go through and feel the same suffering and pain he caused another, only then can he fully grasp the gravity of his doings…it’s not punishment, it is “eternal understanding”, the only way to fully grasp the “full seriousness of ones actions” and thus most probably LEARN from that karma.

However even though one might learn from it THAT way, by suffering in hell-existences…to realize that what he did to another on earth was horrific, one can also learn all that by simply being AWARE of accountability NOW,while still on Earth,not having done any evil acts yet, and also by listening to ones conscience/spirit and not fall for the idea of “doing evil acts is needed to progress spiritually”. It is not needed, one can spiritually progress by simply being aware of what evil acts are and what it causes others,as well as the consequences to such evil acts, the eternal accountability one will have to go through after they die in this life on Earth.



It’s a normal Human experience; you break a law then you will feel something, either pleasure that you’ve indulged yourself, guilt that you’ve hurt someone, or justification that a boundary needed to be overstepped.
Ones conscience always knows what is right and what is not, if one chooses to ignore ones inner spirit wisdom,either justifying it with something even feeling pleasure from doing evi lacts,then that is that spirits conscious choise to do that.And as always, accountability will be waiting for him on the other side,because he will have to fully awknowledge the gravity and seriousness of what pain he caused another. An equlibrium one could say..you reap what you sow and you will have to be fully aware of what it is that you SOWED in the first place, by REAPING it.


We all know how life should be, but sometimes we just don’t care. It’s part of our evolution, an enhanced throw back to our animalistic sense of self-preservation.
Exactly,sometimes some people choose to not care. A spirit has no animalistic sense of self-preservation,only the temporary body vessel we incubate has the programming of animalistic instincts, those are there for a reason,however the spirit is in control of the body,not the other way around. One should not blame the body for one’s decisions..just like one should not blame the coat for getting muddy if the one wearing it falls into a puddle. Not caring is not part of evolution, it is simply part of making a choise, and one doesn’t always evolve by making choises,sometimes some choises devolve the person as well.


We all have an in-built sense of right and wrong, it’s just down to the individual as to how you deal with it; we know we’re accountable in one way or another, but we still do what we “have” to do. The exception would be those with sociopathic/psychopathic tendencies.
True, and all ET-Man is doing is warning against the idea of “evil acts are equal in value and needed for spiritual progression”. He is telling people there is accountability based on ones choises/acts made. And one should know in wisdom/conscience/spirit that evil acts do not progress a soul,they degress a person spiritually. Being aware of this reality,one can then consciously make decisions based on AWARENESS of consequences to ones actions. Without being tricked into certain ideas of evil being vlauable and needed to evolve.
Evil deeds CAN make one LEARN,after the fact, after going through much anguish and pain in hell-zones,where karma/accountability was gone through. But WHY go throguh much pain and suffering if a soul CAN LEARN all of this WITHOUT doing EVIL. Nobody wants to suffer, and one can learn and progress spiritually without suffering.
Having to suffer or do evil acts in order to progress spiritually is the ugliest of LIES. It is twisted to it’s core.I mentioned one CAN learn by doing that,but WHY if there is a pain-free way to learn.


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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 11:05 AM
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Hi 547000,


The only reason most people know about Christ is scriptures. Either the scriptures are lying or telling the truth. You cannot only accept half of what is written by the apostles.

Others don't represent or answer questions in my behalf, do not take what others post as coming from me.


Be careful that you don't interpret your own convictions and desires as the Holy Spirit.

Wise words 547000 and applicable to all who read.


Now you don't even mention the "destroyer" and stick mainly to quoting the bible

The bible and other bibles are coded with revelation and prophecy that have everything to do with the 'Destroyer'.


We would have to ignore scripture to believe any of et_man's warnings.

You could say - Many would have to ignore scripture, spiritual truths, revelations and prophecies to ignore et_man's warnings.

Prophecies are on page 2 of this link -comingearthchanges.phpbb3now.com...

Here's a video that presents the evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ and the oral traditions that were passed down from generation to generation coming from an atheist that was out to disprove the existence of Christ.

Link-www.mefeedia.com...

Yeshua is part of the Light Family, the truth and examples shown by Yeshua contain spiritual knowledge and eternal truth if properly understood and interpreted correctly.

Love & Best Wishes!



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 11:11 AM
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You may what to consider some of these pitfalls when seeking truth. Source




•Astral deceivers often impersonate impressive characters such as historical figures, ascended masters, archangels, Jesus, or aliens. They do this in order to form a parasitical bond with those who believe this deception, and they go to great lengths to build up their characters. Material should always be evaluated on its content, not its source, and deceptive sources will give cunningly flawed or empty material regardless of their self-proclaimed credentials.

•Noble intentions can be diverted onto quixotic endeavors. Those with good hearts can, due to a lack of knowledge or ungrounded idealism, be led onto a primrose path demanding much time, energy, and resources in order to keep them spinning their wheels thinking they are making a difference when in the big picture their talents could be better applied elsewhere. Discernment requires not letting subjectivity and wishful thinking mask the warning signs that one is pursuing an inefficient path.

•Group consensus is a double edged sword. While conferment and agreement between multiple individuals lowers the risk of personal bias, if the entire group can be entrained into agreeing upon a false idea, then any individual dissenting on the side of truth will be rebuffed on the rationalization that an individual is far more likely to be wrong than an entire group. Personal communion with one’s heart and mind should always take precedence over group consensus because the truth is within.

•Anything good can be shown in a bad light; anything bad can be shown in a good light. By taking the best promises of a deceptive path and comparing it to the worst risks of a productive path, the deceptive path may falsely seem like the optimal choice. Only by examining the totality of each option can one make an informed choice.




posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 11:52 AM
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Hi Iamhobo,


At first ET_MAN was an alien/human hybrid, and now he's a bible beater. I'm thoroughly saddened.

If that's what you see perhaps that's all you will see. Pick up a book or bible and read it according to the eyes you have to see with. I've been accused of claiming to be an Alien-ET from another planet which I've never claimed. It's usually the name ET_MAN that confuses.

Love & Best Wishes!



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 12:09 PM
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Hope you don't mind OP, once again. And thank you for sending my previous video to the pleiadians that found me, as I have a feeling it was you.

www.youtube.com...



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 12:19 PM
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Hi Beamish,


Sick of having to hear supposedly pious, allegedly divinely inspired rhetoric used as justification for greed and bloodshed.

Sick of seeing those who were put in charge of innocents revealed as nothing more than sexual predators.

Sick of seeing the gullible destroy themselves and others with the promise of paradise as a reward.

Sick of religious division still causing death and destruction in the 21st century.

Sick of having to listen to the pontificating of figures of religious authority, when they have nothing but words written by Man to support that position of power.

Do you blame me for everything that's happened to humanity?

Do you blame a Creator or God for everything that's happened to humanity?

Do you believe in a Creator or God?


Accountability is a choice. Sometimes, people make the wrong choice.


Do you realise that you and your “religion” are nothing more than another part of this same destructive pattern?

What religion are you referring to? Sharing Eternal Truth and Walking in the Light of Truth?


the one, single thing that makes me realise without a doubt that you are a snake-oil salesman is this; you are more interested in preaching to those who believe you, than trying to convince those who don’t.

Have I singled out anyone? Am I forcing people to read this thread? Are you forgetting that I started this thread? Do I not have the right to continue to post and share in this thread?

We've made many posts to each other in the past Beamish where you've made your intentions clear but I'm more than happy to further discuss with you as I am with anyone and everyone.

Love & Best Wishes!



posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by Beamish
However; when you start throwing in specific laws of a religious nature designed to condemn this natural state of being under the threat of eternal damnation if you don’t, then that’s when it all becomes pie in the sky.
these cocnepts are used by religions,however these notions are not religious. The natural state of being is the one that each persons conscience knows of al too well. And there is no eternal damnation. Any karma,consequences to ones actions, based on accountability is TEMPORARY,not eternal. It is not DAMNATION, or PUNISHMENT or THREAT . All it is accountability,being in place in order to fully understand the gravity and seriousness of ones actions, only way of having a perfect understanding of this is to go through it yourself,how else will you know what you did ?! Only by actually going through it you realize what it is that you did to another. It is FAIR even one could say. ETERNAL fairness. Equality. You reap what you sow.



Humans don’t respond well to threats, as if they did, not one devout Christian would have ever committed a sin. And we all know many have.
nobody has threatened anyone, their conscience knows full well that there is accountability to their actions based on eternal law of fairness. And if some people deny accountability,then they are afraid of what they did will come back to them. What is there to fear? There is nothing to fear except your own choices and doings.There is nobody to blame but oneself.



Hope the above answered your question. Accountability is a choice. Sometimes, people make the wrong choice.
it answered part of my question.Thank you for an in-depth explanation.
Accountability is not a choice. Accountability will always come,there is no escaping it.After a person dies,he will experience accountability based on any evil he may have committed,so that he may fully grasp and understand what it is that he did to another,what he inflicted upon another.
When someone makes a “wrong choice” as you said, not my words mind you, he will have consequences,he will experience accountability for those choises. I presume under “wrong choise” you meant evil acts such as killing,raping,torturing etc



You’re answering my question rather disturbingly. It matters that ET_MAN started this thread with dire warnings of death and destruction, hints at his “uniqueness” and amazing travels through time and space, subtly dropping in Biblical and Christian canon, adding glitzy Youtube videos, utilizing New Age concepts and the idea of a “Family of Light”. All without a single piece of evidence.
He started the thread the way he did,and warning of destruction and death that will come from it, it would be hard to imagine cataclysmic events without death.Just being a realist there. As for hinting to his uniqueness,never have I sensed that in his approach,he is humble.You may just misinterpret what he means when he says he is of extra-terrestrial origin,we ALL are. As for seeing future events, he shared knowledge he got from experiences he had,so there is the “other time” reference, not being a time-traveller exactly as you see him to be for some reason. And there are many truths in the bible,christian teachings,as well as any other religion. All of those have elements of truth. Vidoes and visualizations are of help always to explain what one means exactly. Family of Light being just one term,you may call the eternal loving spirits who we all are something else. Family fits great though.


And there are several signs that a cult is forming, even if it wasn’t intentional – you see for yourself if these examples haven’t already occurred in this thread;

Compliance with the group – hasn’t ET_MAN already “edited” some ATS members posts before they are posted? Group agreement, etc’, praise for those who support him.
Helping with grammaticaly building up sentences for Adonai you mean? I think Adonai has already told you that those are all his opinions and statements,all ET-Man did it seems, is to help with the grammar,so more people can understand what Adonai is trying to say. I don’t see helping with grammar and sentence building being a bad thing,do you ? Also,I don’t see any PRAISE done by anyone actually.ET-Man doesn’t praise anyone for having a certain opinion,he respects all opinions and all people equally.That however doesn’t mean he agrees with all opinions people may have.


Dependence on a leader – you, and all his verifiers (those who support his message at the expense of differing opinion), look to him for guidance. How many years have you been reading this thread?
I don’t look to him for guidance, guidance only comes from within for me, from my spirit/heart and understandings the “teachers” beyond may send my way…beyond meaning nobody on this planet.
Even though I have already stated this in my last post,will state again>>

I agree with his message,because I possess a conscience, I am aware of consequences to my actions,being accountable and I find it important to be spiritually ready for the very hard times ahead on this Earth. That doesn't make me a follower of anything except my own heart/spirit


As for expense of differing opinion, I said this in my last post >>

As for opposing opinions,I actually embrace opposing opinions as long as they are not just basless judging and accusations towards a person without a rational reason for it.



Avoidance of dissent – the classic “this message is for those whose eyes and ears it was meant”. All other opinion doesn’t count.
All opinions count,and all opinions should be WEIGHED and PONDERED about, however one will find that not all opinions are the truth. What is the truh or not is up to each person to discern on their own,using their CONSCIENCE and SPIRIT.


Devaluation of outsiders – your previous post to me is a prime example; basically telling me to shut up and get out, as I know nothing. AdonaiChristBless11’s reaction to my posts is a classic example (though I believe there may be issues involved there that should be treated very carefully).
I was frustrated with some posters who go sircles around the same questions, that have been answered a million times,questions asked by the same posters previously as well. As well as not basing their arguments on rational well thought-out critisicm,but simply judging and accusing without any rational explanation of why they may disagree.
I did not mean it,as you say to “shut up and get out” ,I’m sorry if you felt it that way,I just made a point that if a person has nothing to bring to the table at all,no well thought-out opposing opinions to give, and only accusing and judging,cause he doesn’t agree,then why post at all on a thread that is not in line with what some believe in? It’s more of a question that boggled me,not me saying “get out”.


These are not accusations, merely observations.
as are mine,simply observations.

peace

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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 12:37 PM
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Hi DaphneApollo,


We can only pray and be positive about it.

Everyone-1 should send out Good Intent --- Hopes/Wishes --- Meditation/Prayer --- Gratefully, Thankfully and Respectfully --- Always Hoping and Wishing for Good things to come - Positively-)

Get back to the rest of the posts at a later time-frame.

Love & Best Wishes!
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posted on Aug, 31 2011 @ 05:34 PM
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Emm, I see that you thanked polar there, obviously meaning polarwarrior, for the repost.

It was me, Beamish, actually...

And I still haven't got a response, on the thread or PM.

Um sorry, beer goggles at 3 am, not a good idea. It was a great post again, by the way.




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