reply to post by The Matrix Traveller
Hello Matrix Traveller
I appreciate your time and sharing of thoughts with me-I dont claim anything as right to any other....for what ever we all understand here and now, is
what we need or are ready for-what we understand, reflects what we have discerned from spirit and flesh....
If you are suggesting that The Universe is the Expression of LIFE i.e. “The True Mind” or I AM, as referred to in Ancient Christian Writings then
I also know this to be so. But if you mean The I AM is The Universe I know otherwise, for you can Not number the Number of Universes or Other worlds,
which look nothing Like a Universe. The Universe is but a "Holograph" INSIDE your SOUL.
Interesting way to put it all....Im trying to understand if the way you put this can be parallel to what I understand in that the soul is but a phase
of the spirit....the spirit being in many phases of being -through life- and it is only through all (not just a few or some) that we can see the
oneness of us, in that we are all phases, of the infinite spirit through 'being'.............and please note I will be the first to say that
language limits us to really try to explain what we may see in our minds eye, in words
and please note...I dont respond to your post as in a debate to disagree...but share and observe others joy of sharing-I have totally respect for
everyones path, for what they understand and what they may need or may not be ready for....many times my own observations are challenged and this is a
You mentioned a few things about to and fro, true mind, and rotation-I may be excluding some important parts of the divine animation but what I
understand is silence and sound-which leads from stillness to movement-and is as simple as like breathing-in and out-in and out-or like a heart
beat-the blood flows in and out-or like the waves on the shore the crash in and roll out....when I went through my phase of totally just giving myself
to the Holy Spirit daily and asking to understand....Thee kept pulling me into nature, and saying 'look' the design of 'life' is all around you,
even the design of the infinite 'life', the eternal one-in and out....and that this is not something that happens through 'god' wishing for it, or
for god needing to experience itself....but more of a natural occurrence, its of the very nature of 'being'......to be, still, then to observe
being, to push outward....well something like that-
but all in all, I feel with all my heart, the understandings are within the very design of what we can observe in nature, that the understandings are
all throughout the universe...that any being any where, can connect to its true inner being....through 'life' itself, without books-and that books,
even the bible, are more a glimpse of what men understood at a certain moment in time and books can be beneficial to us learning about the evolving of
the minds of men and the growing, in spirit.
I know you use alot of what is written in a book to claim for a 'truth'.....and that is fine for you, if that works for you....what ever helps you
grow within you-
Energy is Made manifest through The WORD of GOD
This could be so...but I dont shrug off the idea to fast that energy may also be infinite....even in the moment of stillness and silence.....I think
there could be 'energy', but a singularity of sorts....
As far as I know right now, energy may not have a beginning and end and may be very connected to the eternal whom would be constantly 'being'
This is The “Spirit” of A'DAM. In other words “The Breath of Life” in that this is the Created Nature of A'DAM, NOT The Spirit of LIFE
within the MAN or Soul, which was Created in the image of GOD. We refer to the Return of “The SON of MAN”, and NOT “The Son of A'DAM” The
Return of "The Son of A'DAM" doesn't sound quite right does it???
Hmmmm...Im not sure what you are trying to say really...for I just dont see it so complicated. To me, nothing can 'be' within being filled, of, the
Holy Spirit....and the words 'breath of life' is a way to describe that we can not be, without 'thee'.....I dont believe in the fallen 'adam and
eve' but see their story as mans explanation for becoming what we think as to be a 'separate existence' from god-I dont go with the idea that Jesus
saves from our sins or that Jesus must return....I think we are to all pick up our crosses and find the way to understanding 'the father and I are
one' and the kingdom is within us.
I also understand evolution as needed, that the divine nature works through cycles and orders...and does not skip steps....and that conscious beings
are a unique part of this animation but earth itself, is not...that such animations of conscious beings are throughout the universe-discovering their
own inner connectedness to all things-but we can not forget though conscious beings are unique, not to over look everything else of the design which
plays its own unique part, like the food, water, trees, planets, suns, stars, rocks.....it all matters and is needed for the whole in our
understanding of interconnectedness
I once read something that struck me very deeply where Jesus was talking about the earth and how the our bones are like the rocks, how the waters flow
is like the blood flowing through our body, how all around us the design uses things to show us something
As without The “Up” there is No “Down”, if there is No “Left” there is No Right, if there is No “small” there is No “Greater”, and
so it is with LOVE, if there is No “Hate” then there is No LOVE for ALL is Created through The existence of the “Opposites”. “To” and
“Fro” are “Opposites”.... This is why a “portion” is CAST OUT into “Outer” Darkness, where it will Exist instead of in The
“Inner", as it is Written.
From the human perspective, this does seem to be so and is needed....but beyond such perspective, one can see that what seems to be opposites are of
the same coin-
We do need to see both sides of the coin to appreciate love, compassion, empathy, ect.... I actually dont see to and fro as opposites any more, but
see them both as of the same coin, in movement....like I said before....to breath in seems different then to breath out, but they are both in the same
act of 'breathing'
From what I understand, nothing can exists outside of God or within the Holy Spirit....so I do not go along with the 'outer darkness' idea-any kind
of outer darkness can be a human perception...but in oneness, the darkness is used to see the light in the forest.....I do not believe or adhear to
the idea that any will be forever lost or forever unaware....of what they are of...even if its only at death they see through the divine eye, they
still awaken to what they are of and how all that they harmed or loved, was connected to them, was a part of them, in spirit....mabey that phase of
being cycles through again, sifting and measuring again...idk....but I feel I know that every phase of spirit awakens to its true self
All things were Made by GOD, and NOT just some of the things...
I totally agree and will add to this that all awakens or returns, just as every seed returns to the earth from where it came
You posted several things about Jesus saying some were not worthy of Thee...and let me say why I disagree with such a statement-for every single time
I go to Thee....there is never judgement but only mercy, there is never a time where Thee is not understanding of where I am or what I have done...now
yes, Thee may show me why my actions were more of the flesh then spirit...but Thee also always reminds me, its a process, every thing we do, is a
moment of learning....I have never experienced anything but love and understanding from Thee and it is I who is the one that is hard on myself, it is
I that then casts the judgement on myself...from 'god' I have only sensed all is worthy and all is loved, and that there is understanding in our
processing of what is of flesh and spirit
If one is still on a path of placing their family before Thee, or not picking up their own cross....then they are not ready and there is understanding
that it takes time, its a process...that can not be forced...should not be quickened without proper understanding-each phase of spirit is processing
itself through and our actions and thoughts are but markers to show where we are at in this process
We should never hold ourselves above any other and suggests that any are not worthy for what they have done-we then would only be adhering more to our
own nature of flesh then of spirit, by doing so-forgive them for what they know not
Is Referring to EVE and "The Wicked One".
I do not believe in such...for all things are meant to be...we may perceive one thing to be 'bad or wrong' but in the whole, it is a part of the
bigger picture and has purpose. I do not go along with the whole adam and eve story as something literal...as them doing something that was not
supposed to happen....but instead I see it as men trying to explain something THEY think was not supposed to happen
The flesh, separation...causes many things to occur-it is only through the illusion of separation that attributes like pride, lust, greed, selfishness
ect....occur-but the thing is, its meant to happen that way, its meant to be, 'life' is like a wine press....we are like the yeast in the
dough....there is a natural process going on and all is just as it is to be and has been just as it should of been-for us to go and become, what we
I do not give any credit to anything being outside or not of 'god' and I was taught that to give credit to something like the devil is to take away
from the causes of flesh and causes misunderstanding of what separation causes of us....its very easy to cast the cause onto something like the
devil....but to not take the cause within our self, we then cant properly understand and heal the cause within our self-I do not believe in a
'devil' but I do give credit to the flesh/individuality of us being a tempter and we should not shrug off where the idea of pride comes from, where
greed is birthed, where lust plays a part in having a individual body-
Think of anything bad you have every done....and then try to understand how that manifested from you. What caused that to happen? It was not something
outside of you that caused it, but it will link you back to being a individual, a self, experiencing yourself amongst other selves-the illusion of
separation is the cause of things that are dis-harmonic-and to properly heal-but know its needed
But “The LIVING ONE” is NOT The “Flesh”. All "Flesh" of this world shall pass Away...
Which is why I find the saying of 'know what is of flesh is of flesh, and what is of spirit is of spirit' to be so useful-
If you refer to the “Flesh” this is NOT so.
Can you really say that what others have done by the flesh are things we can not discern and learn from, ourselves. Look at Hitler and the pride that
he allowed to consume him. Through his illusion of being a individual and through the lust of thinking he was a part of chosen ones or that there are
those that should not be....have we not been able to weigh and measure through his acts of flesh that he was not acting through a divine nature?
All the time there are actions and ideas going on around us and depending on where we each stand in our process....depends on if we can discern
between what is of flesh and what is of spirit nature. We can use both natures to weigh and meassure what we ourselves are trying to be or want to
be....do we want to be a benefit to those around us or do we want to hinder those around us...do we want to cause chaos or do we want to try to create
harmony where ever we are.
What we do influences other people, constantly. This is unavoidable...for we are interconnected.
Things as simple as smiling at a stranger today, can influence another-if you choose to push by someone rudely today, you still project a energy to
them....we are projecting a energy print to people all the time, be it of flesh/self or of spirit/one.
But Jesus said The “Spirit” does the Works of The “Spirit” and the “Flesh” does the Works of the “Flesh”.
Exactly-and when one starts to become aware and discern between the two natures....their being will become more of a harmonic energy to others.
I dont think its a matter of we are to hate the flesh we are....but to discern between what life is to live for...just as Jesus was able to do....he
did not live for the life of flesh therefor did not fight for this life of self. When one understands that this life of flesh is not what the true
self is....there is no reason to fight for it or to harm another to try to keep it....
It can't animate into the All, as it is already in All things.
Agreed-but when one is not aware of this....it will show in their actions and ways.
Even though you keep pointing out that the flesh of things is what is dead....it is the avenue that awakens us so therefor, it is of use and needed-it
is like the instrument in which the song finds its harmonic chords through-when we look out into space and see all the places where there seems to be
no conscious life...there is still a purpose for the spirit processing, cycling, working through the order of nature. Its all one great work,
We can look into nature and see that everything has to have another thing, to become. Even through the very death of a star, much is birthed to
'become'. The processes in nature has much to teach us. Not the shells of what we see as 'things' but the life and cycle and process that allowed
those things to 'become'.
The “Flesh” is NOT “Aware” or “Conscious” of anything at all, Only “The True Mind” or “LIFE of GOD” The real YOU is
The only reason there is ego, is due to the illusion that we are selves at all. The only reason there is pride is due to the illusion that we are a
self amongst other selves. We dont have to be aware of what causes such things but still it is so. Our intellect, our personalities....are by products
of being in the flesh/being a self. The flesh is not aware, you are right, but it still causes the many illusions, such as what we think we are,
separate selves. Many relate 'who they are' to their intellect, to their personality, to their personal desires or fears.
Your assumption is based on pride and NOT knowledge. I used to think the same once (Basted also on Pride)... None of the children of Earth have any
right to impose on others in the Universe what they should or should not think...
I do not wish to impose onto anyone...but still can see that any being of this interconnected life can find the gems because the gems are imprinted
into the design/universe itself. I dont wish to impose onto others in the universe, why would I need to when I know that the gems of their true self
can be found in 'life' itself. It matters not that I can explain it to another person...for it only matters in their own awakening and experience of
being 'one'. My words have not weight....but ones own experience through 'life' is what will matter. This is why I dont think the spiritual
wisdom has been placed in a book by god...for gods 'book' was written in 'life' itself...where any being could find it when seeking.
The only other ones in this Little Universe, who are like the children of the Earth are the bannished ones who were given wives also after the 200
Alien cam to the Earth and took the children of Earth as wives etc. etc. These Ones still interbreed, with some of the children on Earth today which
is a Crime in itself....
What ever happened or happens, is a part of the perfect animation that is evolving....I dont give credit to mistakes or errors in the aniamtion of
God. Instead, I try to find the purpose for what we humans would call mistakes or errors and see how the Spirit will use such things.
I think we are all to one day walk as Jesus did and this is the 'christ' for us all to become-willingly and knowingly, living for our true self-in
I feel this is why exactly he said for us to pick up our own cross.....it was not for him to carry the cross for us all. In our
journey/process/awakening to what we are of....the 'self/flesh' is not what we choose to live for anymore and it took all that influenced us, good
and bad, to get us there.
I only share back with you, what comes from my heart-its a limited understanding and I dont claim its any perfect/whole understanding-I know that it
has all led me to trying to be more harmonic in my life to those around me and has led me to seeing all others being of the same infinite
light/spark/spirit as I am of.
We are constantly projecting energy vibrations all the time to others, through our actions, through our words, and even through our body language. We
can not escape the fact that we are constantly influencing each other with energy.
At the same time, we are constantly deciding how we are going to react and respond to other peoples energy.
Thing back to all the books you have ever read, all the authors who ever made you think and wonder, all the people you have crossed paths with, all
the people that you have seen or heard of through stories of things they did or did not do, these are all influences to you and you have chosen to
react or not, respond or not, become emotionally effected by them or not, allow them to imprint your own being or not....we cant imagine our 'self'
being, without all the others that have influenced us, effected us, helped us weigh and measure our self.
Be it ways of flesh or ways of spirit....other peoples actions influence us. Even when one decided they dont want to be like that person....that
action of that person, influenced them to weigh and measure, what they did not want to be.
Feedback is always welcomed...my best to you always