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Warnings From The Benevolents!

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posted on May, 31 2010 @ 06:52 AM
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Hi Redgy,

The same speculations/assumptions that you and a few others are making could be said about virtually any belief system or religion out there including your own.

A cult could be organized by just about any belief out there and people could find reasons to commit suicide for just about anything.

Take your pick!




still there is no reason to not love or be a better person in this life, and if this thread allows them to see that part

That is what I would hope as well!

I'm sharing this information because I sincerely care about people and we are all brothers and sisters (Family) and part of the "Family of Light" from the infinite/eternal perspective. I'm aware of where some may be headed upon leaving the flesh and yes there is a right and a wrong and I will stand up for that which is right and cannot deny what I know.

Love is not Evil and Evil is not Love.

There are two sides to a road, you decide which direction you want to take.


The choice is yours to make, you of course will ultimately decide and choose whatever you want to choose.

I've saved this quote from another thread on one of Mclinking's posts that is applicable to the afterlife and the video's I've added below (used only as an example) which gives an idea (metaphorically speaking) of what it can be like for some depending on one-1's situation/circumstance.



"Right and wrong. Here's a sample of what wrong wreaks. This is based on discarnate accounts of an illusory world called 'Winterland' (as opposed to 'Summerland'), from a book 'Living On' by Paul Beard. In this world, the setting a man or woman finds him/herself in reflects the reality of their internal state :

'To enter these areas fills rescuers with a deep sense of distress ; these helpers, sensitive men and women, can themselves become affected and drawn into some of the negative emotions they seek to lift from others, and if they remain too long in this area, can be temporarily overcome by them. For the price to be paid in order to reach these minds is to lower their own consciousness and concepts to a level acceptable to and capable of being understood by those they hope to rescue.




'The Shadowland is a very real place indeed ; a gloomy murk covers it to which one has to become accustomed ; squalid dwellings inhabited by unhappy tormented beings who jeer and mock and pursue their warped existences, poor souls living in hatred and rebellion, sometimes in apathy and with a fierce denial that there is any other state of existence.'

As someone said 'Later never exists'.
So, whoever you are, get yourself straight now.

note : there is nothing personal in this post, apart from to say what evil reaps.

mclinking "




Follow your heart!

Live your life however you want to but never forget that there are consequences to action and what you put out to others will come back to you whether it's in this lifetime or the next.

LOVE & PEACE!
BEST WISHES!


[edit on 31-5-2010 by ET_MAN]




posted on May, 31 2010 @ 07:26 AM
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Hello ET_MAN


How's the weather in Ireland?


Well, no magnetic pole shifts or tsunamis so far where I am, but then again the day ain’t over yet.


Come on now Beamish, like I have people tied up in a corner and am force feeding them this information.


It doesn’t matter that you can’t make people listen, the plain fact is that you are contributing towards negativity. Google your name, see how many sites are quoting your message. With that sort of exposure, you don’t need to tie people up, do you?


The main message being shared if you take time to read it is about LOVE.You seem to be stuck on the first few pages, it's now at 185 pages, I suggest you read more.


Well, you may want to insist that it is just about love, but the truth is it is also about this brown dwarf that is about to materialize out of another dimension and play merry hell with our planet, nuclear and biological warfare, earthquakes and superstorms and the deaths of billions of human beings. Isn’t it?

It’s about safe places to go when the poop hits the fan.

It’s about the need to prepare spiritually and materialistically (as in survival), because mankind is about to get flattened.

You seem to be trying to guide us away from these revelations, and towards your teachings.


Ok so you like winning. Are you here for your own entertainment?


Who doesn’t like winning? It’s great! As to winning here; no, that is not why I’m here.

What is there to win, precisely?

I’m just curious about the subject matter, and how this thread will pan out.

Oh, and I’m curious about you, too.


Surely, you haven't been following this thread until just recently immediately after our discussion in the Source A thread…Isn't that why you're here now posting on this thread due to the other discussion on the Source A thread?....Can you get over that discussion or do you need to win and is winning for you shutting me down and disrupting this thread to the point where it makes it difficult for others to read it?


No, I was on this thread much earlier. Page 5 or 6 or so. And the Source A thread has nothing to do with this thread, does it?

But while we’re on the subject…

You were asked your opinion about the exposed UFO/ET hoax (source A), but decided to object to my opinion about Unity_99’s reply instead. You never replied with your own opinion as to the hoax, but felt the need to continue your protestation against me. You posted CGI pictures of aliens and your defense for that was that the thread was about aliens, when it was patently about an internet hoax. Not aliens, but fake stories about aliens.

There, now that’s straight.


You're welcome to post and ask questions here Beamish but everyone reading can see what your intentions seem to be and as you've suggested you're all about winning and you simply want to win at whatever cost.


I think you’ll find I can post anywhere on ATS. This thread isn’t yours, because once you post on these boards, it belongs to ATS. And, as you rightly say about your posts, you can read me or ignore me.

And “everyone reading”? Who are you appealing to with a sentence like that? That is a well-used line that promotes an “us and them” scenario, isn’t it?


You haven't even read the thread yet Beamish, you know NOT what you write.


I’ve read enough. I’ve read similar before. They all contain “truths”, as far as the authors are concerned. They’re all supposedly from higher sources. You’ll forgive me if I don’t want to discuss doctrine and creed.


How many times must I answer this question from the many previous questions and comments. Everybody is NOT going to die and it's NOT going to be the end of the world.


Really? I would disagree. These quotes of yours sound pretty much like it’s curtains for the majority of us:


A world disaster will occur causing a cataclysm event on the horizon that will bring coast lines far inland around the world, super storms never before seen in history will occur as a result of this, earthquakes will be seen on a scale unheard of.

Are you ready, both on a physical and spiritual level, for massive earth quakes, super storms, volcanos, tsunamis, and a catastrophic event?

For people in certain areas of the world there will be no place to run

I suggest you start preparing your family mentally and spiritually. I will share a map of the world with areas designated safe at a later time.

This will be a global event effecting everyone.

Who could really give an exact figure but I can say in the "Billions"

More than half of earths population will not make it, I do not have an exact figure but I can tell you at least half of earths population during and proceeding this event, in the billions.

there will be great tribulations for remaining survivors, life will be simply about survival. Most of the world will perish not at the time of the event but the months and years proceeding this event.


Those are taken from the first few pages. Talk about a hook to draw in an audience.

So does it matter that only “most of the world will perish”, or that we all shuffle off this mortal coil at once? Either way, that information is fear-mongering at its best. It is the same as mediaeval priests burning cats alive in portable ovens and telling the open-mouthed crowds that that is the torture they’ll suffer if they don’t live their lives as they are told.

And the Church also teaches about love etc.

So it doesn’t matter a jot that you insist this thread isn’t about control through fear, because it is, plain and simple.

And that is the major flaw in all of these alien/prophecy threads; they’re all based on “secret” knowledge of a great cataclysm now being released to the world by special people.

And you are quite special, aren’t you?


…this thread is not about ME but about the information being provided and I have never claimed to be more special than others or with a higher intellect.


If it wasn’t about you being one of the chosen (and you have used that phrase), then what about these:


I cannot share with you who I am or what I know only that I am a voice coming forward with a whisper and warning hoping some will listen who were meant to hear.

I have been given specific instructions on how to release this information.

I am in the same density as everyone on this planet but am from another time in which I cannot share anything further.

I have traveled and visited other times and places just as you have memories of your past so do I of places and future.

Many others have come a great distance to help assist with these events as they unfold.

If you want to know about ET's and future events simply ask about ET's. If you want to know if a certain rumor or conspiracy is true I can share what information I have on the subject.

I have traveled to other worlds, worlds within worlds and times and reside on earth in your density,

These things can and would disturb your lives and families forever especially if I was to prove my report, it is better to stay silent.

Visiting planets in this solar system happened in my later years and I have full memory of these trips, life exists on most planets in a higher state of existence undetectable to our world. In order for me to have access to these worlds it was necessary for my spirit to leave my body allowing me to reach a higher vibratory state, density and state of existence.

I have been given special experiences in this life with memories of pre-mortal existences, I have visited many indescribable places and times. I'm sure I'm not alone and many more out there have experienced such things but not everyone is called and few are chosen.

On board a inter dimensional craft I have been allowed to control the vehicle by my thoughts, upon entering this vehicle I am separating myself from earths state of mind/time or consciousness into a separate higher vibratory state of consciousness…


Make you sound pretty cool, don’t they? indeed, quite “special”.


Feel free to disagree and get your points across but to overtake the thread with your disagreements is distasteful and inappropriate.


How am I overtaking this thread? All I’m doing is offering my opinion of your claims, rather than discussing your doctrine as others are doing, and that, ET_MAN is not distasteful or inappropriate.

My questioning you is only distasteful or inappropriate if the subject matter was founded on absolutes – as in I could not offer a reasonable doubt intellectually or morally, if it was undisputable – as in it had rock-solid physical support (and we’ll come back to that), or if it was a widely accepted philosophy based purely on positivity and altruism without having a threat as its all-pervading influence, which it isn’t.


But for the sake of others following this thread it's only appropriate for you to simply state what you disagree with then move along, unless of course you're out to merely disrupt the thread and make it hard for others to read the thread.


Why? Why should I just disagree and move along? I’m trying to learn something from this thread as much as one of your “followers”. It might turn out that I’m completely wrong about you, and I would truly be delighted if that were to happen. And besides, those who want to ask you questions can do so without reading my posts, can’t they?

I’m not stopping them.

cont...



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 07:27 AM
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...cont.

And there’s that divisive, accusatory comment again; I’m not trying to disrupt anything.

I’m allowed an opinion, aren’t I? Consider my posting here an opportunity to convert an open-minded skeptic.


How many people out there believe what you believe Beamish?


I have no idea. Lots, I suspect. As many as believe you, at least.


What you put out to others you can only expect back.

The law of intention-thought attraction and consequence to action will answer.

"What you do unto others you've only done unto yourself."

Hang on a minute: are you saying that I’m attracting bad karma by both posting an alternative view of your claims, and offering an opinion that does not support you?

Holy crap! Who have I annoyed, exactly?


If you are genuinely/sincerely here, then please ask your questions politely, I'm not obligated to answer all the questions I'm being asked.


I have asked several questions, and never in an aggressive or demanding manner. Perhaps it’s the fact that they are not in the same vein as others will approach you – as in one poster proclaiming “peace be upon you” (did that make you cringe, by the way?).


Are you treating me the way you would want to be treated by others?


Consider this: if I were to decide – for whatever reason - that I had the knowledge of the universe at my disposal, and that it was my duty to let everyone know about it, then I would fully expect disagreement.

We don’t all think alike, after all.

If I were to add aliens and time travel into the mix so people would not only listen, but think I had real authority (not that I am accusing you of that yet), then I would absolutely expect some form of conflict.

Some of us want proof, after all.

So, as you want polite questions, here they are:

As to the proof I asked for and your subsequent answer that:


I could


(as in provide it). Can we have it please?

And, who, precisely, are the “Family of Light”?



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 08:20 AM
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I don't Disagree, in that any belief being religious or not in the nature of things can lead to something more of a radical belief being separated from the original it came from. either being 'good' or 'evil' in substance.

as for the intent/purpose of beliefs you share, just be aware that as this quote describes best for some who may read.

“There's a fine line between character building and soul destroying.”

as has been commented in many ways before, sharing your message is up to others to discover wether they want to listen or not and to take the message any way they choose, even though it is with all 'good' intentions, the message you share could still be taken out of context by others as previously seen, but to all those who can understand its worth and take heed in that 'good' always overcomes 'evil' in all things, in belief or even how this is portrayed throughout your thread is something that everyone should take within and into ones heart or soul for however long we exist in this eternity of life as we know.

best of tomorrow holds.



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 08:34 AM
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Being aware aned preparing for earth changes or disasters (even marital law kind) is a very good thing, and humanity has been prevented from being self sufficient and made into fragile dependents, who cannot survive even a long term power outage.

I've heard so many times that we mustn't cause a panic. What a joke! Think of those who are unstable, and even heard of those who commit suicide! While something big is coming, big enough for TPTB to commit to stealing and exhorting public funds and run illegal drug monies, to sink trillions into underground bases that are deluxe.

But, mustn't panic anyone, let them keep on buying and supporting their corporate monopolies until the bitter end!

Personally if everyone gets it, FREAKS OUT, and rips their bases to smitherines, I'll be smiling. It will be about time. In fact, this is a very GOOD, WORTHY, and POSTIVE thing.

This is not however what this thread is about. ET_MAN has everyones best intentions in mind, whereas I really realely want to see JUSTICE done on behalf of all the horrendous suffering humanitiy has gone through at their hands. And have to work very hard on this. Because if it was up to me, everyone would be awake, drag them all down, and rip those bases to smitherines recuing the ones they have kidnapped down below and are torturing. I don't know how anyone sleeps at night, in this world, aware of anything, and doesnt want things to change ASAP, and to set it right.

This thread is like David Icke's interview by Project Camelot, where he said in response to those who think he should not be speaking of anything negative.

(paraphrased) "If a tornado is coming and your head is buried in the sand, then you're going to get spanked really hard. You first need to lift your head out of the sand, look to see whats coming, and make good choices"

[edit on 31-5-2010 by Unity_99]



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 08:54 AM
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Hi Redgy,

Was your quote below in reference to my beliefs in my visions that I have expressed here?

"since there is a purpose to it all. why be fooled to believe, since the only proof is not what you can see around you, but as only some kind of unsubstanciated dreamtime visions that you yourself wish to hold as truth."



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 09:17 AM
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Hi Everyone,

Does anyone have ET_MAN's current website addresses?

I'm still only one p.99 so they are likely further ahead but I would like to visit his site/s now, along the way.

These are the ones I have come across from p.98 that don't work:

www.EarthChanges2011.com...
www.2011EarthChanges.com...
www.EC2011.com... (takes me to someone else's site)

Thanx!



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 09:45 AM
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I’ll add this commentary regardless Redgy as that quote inspired this response.

Initially I wasn't going to create my site. I understood that many are not aware and would be skeptical of the greater knowledge of the Earth change events to come. I rationalised it would likely be a fruitless undertaking based on just sharing my ‘visions’ alone (in spite of urgings in my heart to go through with it regardless of hesitations). Consequently within days of this ‘final decision’ to not go through with a disclosure site, I 'randomly' received astrophysicist source data that well and truly SUBSTANTIATED what was shown to me in my 'dreamtime visions' (the impending arrival of the 'second sun'). My ‘gut feeling’ immediately took this scientific source ‘confirmation’ as a sign to push ahead with disclosure without any fear or doubt in my intentions. With that, I had no reason to ‘lose faith’ in further visions I have now received that I 'know' to be true from ‘within’ (just as I felt the second sun vision to be genuine from first receiving it).

Do a google search and discover many others experiencing these and other related great Earth change/pole shift/'Nibiru' related dream visions. These are not isolated incidents.

Redgy, if you are in fact telling others here/making the judgement that I am attempting to fool people to believe ‘my truth’—realise that by making such a statement, that YOU are in fact acting as a deceiver if my visions/warnings prove to be genuine. Are you comfortable with that? Do you also truly feel you are in a position to tell others what is ‘unsubstansiated’ and what is?

Unless you have shared the same experiences/insights/motivations/life path awareness as I, then you simply couldn't begin to conceive why I am doing what I am doing at this time and what has inspired me to this undertaking.

Furthermore, individuals need to realise they must ALWAYS take responsibility for their own actions, knowing right from wrong behaviour towards others. Only 'lower frequency' individuals will look externally for others to blame and seek excuses to justify their negative behaviours. Spiritual awareness/growth, only raises frequency and that is the main aim and positive intention here as you know. Our free will choices are our own and they will be recorded and judged as our own. Peace.


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posted on May, 31 2010 @ 10:43 AM
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Hello Everyone-1,

I wanted to add the below quotes coming from Skyfloating's thread that I highly recommend everyone-1 read which is a really good message and true on the Power Of Love.


“They scoff and laugh when I talk about the Power of Love, telling me Love cant change the world and the enemy will "eat me alive" if I love him. This is a lie."

"The energy of hatred can cause real-life illnesses, ulcers, cancer. It will make you weak"

"shift your focus away from the enemy and invest your time and attention in solutions, betterment, beauty, work, help, support, virtue, creativity, positivity, peace, prosperity"

"After analysing evil, forgive evil and counter it with good."

"You dont need the emotion of hate in order to analyze and resolve a problem. To solve a problem you need the emotion of Love."

"Love is the ultimate Power and the ultimate Weapon of Liberation.”

Power of Love thread-www.abovetopsecret.com...&addstar=1&on=8909946#pid8909946

LOVE CAN CHANGE THE WORLD!

Spread The Love,
Best Wishes!

[edit on 31-5-2010 by ET_MAN]



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 10:51 AM
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Hi Maiden PEI,

Just sent you a U2U


Get back to the remaining questions within a 24hr period.

Best Wishes!



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 11:03 AM
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FYI, the second sun was here 400 years ago. All that we are waiting for now is the debris field that it has pulled along with it, which shows up about 400 years after the second sun shows it self.



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 11:09 AM
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sorry benedict9,

this was not directed at you or any one in particular, so sorry if taken as offence and did not imply that anyone is a fool.

maybe what was meant didn't quite get worded right.
just that dreams/visions usually are a form of unsubstanciated proof except to the owner of such for most cases, are there ways for some kind of proof, maybe there are but not everyone who dreams these dreams do or ever will.
also to note that not every dream is seen as proof for those who don't believe in such as possible, not to say I don't but anyways thanx for including a explanation for this.

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A Question,

maybe been answered already, but in reguards to learning these lessons on this earth plane or time within a body/vessel, and the requirements of completing these tasks of learning.
What then, after completion.

does existance for the soul become only as 'light', free to travel and as/or in some form or another as those who are our teachers.
or are there more planets, more teachings and differing bodies/vessels to continue with after earth.

for as example when an end of cycle of incarnations for self is fulfilled, what then.



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 12:12 PM
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If people would have read the article I posted a few days ago, they should have seen this, which makes this thread obsolete for a companion star, but still valid for a meteor shower worthy of watching out for.

It is not hopeless and many will survive with little protection. It seems to be a matter of timing and luck, if you find your self in one of these drop zones.

The sunny disposition of the weather during the coronation (of Charles II) was seen as the fulfillment of a prophecy. In 1630, at the time of Charles' birth, a noonday star or rival sun allegedly had appeared in the sky. [...]

Aurelian Cook in Titus Britannicus explained its import: 'As soon as Born, Heaven took notice of him, and eyed him with a star, appearing in defiance of the Sun at Noonday....'

For Cook, the extra sun announced that Charles ruled by divine right. Moreover, the timing of Charles' entry into London on his birthday was politically calculated to fulfill what had been portended at his birth. Abraham Cowley, poet, diplomat and spy for the court wrote: 'No Star amongst ye all did, I believe, Such Vigorous assistance give, As that which thirty years ago, At Charls his Birth, did in despight of the proud Suns' Meridian Light, His future Glories, this Year foreshow.


I just had to throw this in for good measure. It is a long article and people might not have read all of it.


Please note that Abell is suggesting that some of Jupiter's moons have been captured by Jupiter's gravity.

Now let's time travel back to the future, and see what the latest information tells us about Jupiter's moons:
Jupiter is now given 63 satellites. Forty-seven of those satellites have been discovered since 1999. What if they weren't there before?
What about Saturn. Our 1975 text tells us that Saturn has 10 satellites. In 2007? Well, there are so many that one source declines to give a precise number!

However, counting the named satellites on the Timeline of discovery of solar system planets and their natural satellites gives us a count of 62, with 41 being discovered since 2000 and another ten in the 80's and 90's.

Moving outward, we come to Uranus, given five satellites in 1975, it now has 28, with ten being discovered in the 1980's, six in the 90's, and 7 since 2000.

Neptune had two satellites in 1975, now it has 13.


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posted on May, 31 2010 @ 12:59 PM
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I've already made it clear that I don't believe in the words of ET_MAN as I think they are more philosophical than science. However, I do believe in the dissemination of information and the ability of people to educate themselves.

Here is a link to a thread I just started about the possibility of a brown dwarf approaching from a different angle than the plane of other orbiting planets. It occurs around the star Upsilon Andromedae.

Sorry I didn't feel like posting the same information twice, so I'll just link the thread.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on May, 31 2010 @ 10:21 PM
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Hi Redgy

No harm done my friend. And thank you for displaying humility to reply in the manner you did. Unfortunately there are mindsets that form blanket judgements here and judge others negatively based on those blanket judgements. And although I do not 'need' to defend my endeavours, it is my will to help others to help themselves in developing a greater spiritual awareness of these times for their own greater benefit more than mine. Although service to others also rewards self, no doubt.

It's interesting, just as I was reading your questions to me, I had just finished reading a good part of the response to it in another thread.

Where there are no 'accidents', I feel this individual IX-777 put it in words nicely. In my words, our TRUE existence is the energetic Light of disembodied consciousness, and our TRUE nature is LOVE as made in the divine image/extension of the 'highest' consciousness All Loving Creator force that brought our souls into Being. Your only 'task' here is to realise this and ACT/become your true nature in unconditional LOVE. Sounds so simple in theory, though conscious efforts must be made to put it into practice. And there is opposition here working to suppress such a 'goal'.

As for spiritual existence beyond 3D limitations in higher consciousness realms/dimensions. (IX-777 quote below)

"you are free to create whatever you desire and experience whatever you may want, and you can spend endless times just exploring your abilities and existence itself. No one will stop you from having "lower" experiences. You are free to gain deeper insights from far higher planes of existence and embark on new adventures far beyond anything you can currently imagine here, new worlds, new dimensions, new ways of being and existing, new ways of feeling and knowing, of socializing with other entities, you may let yourself float in the bliss of love and light and all-knowing state of being, or decide to "work" on specific matters, such as serving as a guide for others, become a God creating life forms and worlds and universes, or moving higher up through the levels of existence to discover even more of your true being and the mysteries of all that is.

I can assure you that you most certainly will not be bored, as you have greater freedom to do what you want than you would ever had the possibility to do in thousands of lifetimes here on Earth - or in other parts of the Universe.

The journey is great, it is long, there are wonderful things to see, experience and discover, and moving to a higher self state of being is not the "end" but rather the beginning of your whole life finally free from that which have trapped you here and limited you in so many ways for so long." Peace.
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posted on May, 31 2010 @ 11:03 PM
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Evidence of course is always subjective based on the perceptions of those reviewing it. I accept that.

However I can only reiterate that there are external electromagnetic forces currently influencing both the Earth and outer cosmos. And those effects are increasing. There are 3 volcanoes that have just recently 'awakened' including Iceland, Guatemala and now Vanuatu. Ask the right questions, and you may discover your answers to the true causes of increased ice melt, earthquakes, flooding, drought, earth humming/booms etc. If you are in denial that these increases in extreme environmental events are even happening, then you will simply discover at a later date exactly what interacting forces are 'stirring' the activity in our core. I have always said, everybody will discover their 'truths' in their own time.

You are right about the meteor showers and debris. All part of the package in tow. Red Kachina.

But I say this in hope for humanity. There ARE 'watchers/guardians' out there that can mercifully reduce the impacts of all these things, via our love as a mass consciousness. That however is up to us. We receive the karma we create.

P.S-there is no such thing as luck, nor coincidence, good or bad timing nor accidents for that matter. Not from the eternal perspective of higher awareness beyond 3d 'programming' as you like to refer to



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posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 12:14 AM
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Thanks for that Bennedict. I have been studdying cults for decades. As a youngster, after finding religion to be nonsense, I looked into the "new age" for answers. Eventually finding it to be, in a general way, even more rediculous than religion. Since then my interest has been more in the cult aspects of both. I have known cult leaders personally and many who have been affected by them. Still do. A genuine study allows us to go deeper beyond the common stereotypes. It is interesting to see how they form, how the ideology gets people in etc. I completely disagree that what is being put forth here is without some very cultish overtones. The observation from some that many religions are also cults is a good one. They probably all are to some degree. There are seperating factors between cults though. It is worthy of study by anyone interested.

There are people in genuine (by commonly accepted definition) "mind control" cults who have never met those who run the cult or its members. Still manipulated and have their lives (and the lives of those around them) affected dramatically. Many have never been asked for money. It is no longer necessary in this information technology age to physically attend a group to be in a cult or be affected/manipulated by one. This absolutely does happen.

The point of ETman's thread is his new age preachings. Though he says different and you might feel it to be different, it appears otherwise. The notion that "I'm not forcing anyone to believe" absolves all responsibility regarding whatever impact this drivel (IMO) has on others, isn't true either. Strange that someone has understanding of the nature of reality and the cosmos, speaking for an enlightened race of apparrent "ET", yet the notion of simple responsibility hasn't yet occurred. He is directly responsible. This thread became about his new age teachings a very long time ago.

You might not have fully comprehended my previous post.

I don't consider Et-man a cult leader. Nor is his group of faithful a cult, yet at least. It's nice to talk to those claiming all sorts on this site, to discuss, agree, disagree, debate put forth opinions experience and so on Even if I have my doubts that I am at times talking to a genuine "alien" etc. After all, we all have our views and experiences. Every now and then, though rarely, something crops up that could be straight out of a cult indoctrination manual. From my experience with cult ideology, dogma and method (and there has been plenty) this seems one of those times. Whether intentional or otherwise. Though perhaps not one of the most polished examples I have seen.


As an aside, it has always amazed me that people afflicted by new age ideas consider "we need more love" etc as a revelation. Strangely with an underlying notion that they themselves seem the only ones capable of the finer emotions and are different . That those not so inclined to the new age "airy fairyness" are a type of neanderthal. The way this is often put forward, even by some in this thread, is simply new age type elitism. In itself a delusion that divides, often (though not in isolation) indicative of cult behaviour in itself.

If a planet/star does come out of nowhere and take us out , I guess I will have to apologise. If it doesn't I won't be searching for a recant from ET-man, I see he has this covered. In every instance, regardless of outcome it will simply be a lack of spiritual awareness not allowing people to see the truth. Yes, never heard that one before, not cultish at all....


I do thank you for acknowleding the freedom to express my sentiments.





[edit on 1-6-2010 by Cogito, Ergo Sum]



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 01:11 AM
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For those who may think they may be in a cult, here are some warning signs. Do the following sound familiar? If so, you may be listening to cult ideologies:



Promise to fulfill their dreams (“Don’t you want a world of unconditional love and brotherhood? We have the secrets to self improvement. You can join us and be special. Join our elite mission to save the world.

Start with a prolonged period of love-bombing. Surround them with unconditional love and attention

Control their thoughts. (“Our ideology answers all questions to all problems”)

Control their emotions. Induce guilt. ("You are not living up to your potential")

Make them paranoid about their own bodies or thought processes.
Tell them that there is a part of their mind that they must eliminate in order to find happiness. (“You must eliminate the toxic mind”)

Claim authority. It can come from a divine source, bogus scientific research, or special knowledge. Make up stories about yourself to boost your importance . . . Start slowly. A good con man takes a little bit of truth and a lot of lies and pulls the wool over the eyes of the ignorant.

Encourage dependency and conformity and discourage autonomy and individuality. (“The whole purpose must be the focus” . . .)

Have confessionals where people demonize their early lives and only praise their life in the group. Rewrite the past as terrible, even if it was great.

Make them feel part of a special elite group with an important mission. Develop an “Us vs Them” mentality, fighting resistance.

Indoctrinate with fear. Tell them they could be possessed by evil spirits, or suggest that if they ever leave, something bad could happen to them.

Make it easier for them to die for you by calling their bodies “containers” that are shed before they evolve into higher life forms.


memoryillusions.wordpress.com...


My own opinion is that a lot of ET_MAN's postings sounded like a cult. It took the above poster for me to put a finger on it -- although something sounded wrong from the start.

Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion.







[edit on 1-6-2010 by pepesilvia]



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 01:33 AM
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It may sound like a cult but when there's no group anyone is asking you to join or money people are wanting you to donate to them. At worst when wrongly taken some of these teachings can cause people to make some bad decisions. On the other hand more hurtful messages are being bombarded to us from every direction from MSM etc. Asking people to love isn't the worst alternative out there.



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 01:38 AM
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An online cult? A sort of 'faceless' indoctrination? In any event, we're all indoctrinated by our own minds, deceivers of ourselves, vanity at the back of it. I see that when I'm awake, but most of the time I'm asleep.

mclinking



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