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Warnings From The Benevolents!

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posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 12:04 AM
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Well the wisdom and love of some of the cosmic brothers here has got my chakra's positively sparkling. Spinning like a top. I can feel my consciousness expanding to embrace a timeless infinity as I read. It makes me want to put flowers in my hair and give everyone a big hug. Then again, perhaps I'm exaggerating...........


I would like to thank the OP for the information here, the “facts” page, videos. An enthralling read, a lot of research very coherently presented. A point very well made, generally with a certain attitude that I also applaud. Though I wouldn't hesitate to also recommend a comparison of the presented “facts” with more contemporary science/ other opinion, if simply for the sake of balance where possible. Though, regardless, there is still more than enough food for thought, speaking purely for myself . I doubt that many scientists would reject the notion of past mass extinction events or the possibility of more. The “how and when” might get more of an argument, but who knows? Not me.

The topic itself seems interesting and worthy of debate, though IMO perhaps not the familiar and well worn baggage that comes with it. I feel the thread went south quicker than a pole shift in many ways, with the airy fairy new age musings. This scenario has been bandied about in new age groups for almost four decades that I am aware of, without mentioning the religious doomsdayers . Not one other prophetic “truth” has ever in fact turned out to be an actual truth from any, that I know of. Which might not rule out this one by default, but many have used this type of threat as a central tenet in propping up and exerting their philosiphy on others, some even forming doomsday type cults appearing quite destructive........”I am wise and special with unconditional love, do as I say and the friendly aliens will save you”.....or.....”Christ will save you”....”Jehova will save you”....”I will help you save yourself for $250 an hour” …...”you will be ready for the harvest”......and so on. Though I am not implying the OP is a cultist, forcing beliefs, or not genuine in his own belief. Still, a particular favorite of mine is the new age classic that “those prepared will rise to a new level of consciousness” or will “enter a new density”etc. All variations on a theme. We certainly like to think highly of ourselves. I now struggle to find this any more valid than the info given by those who channel Zetans.

As a very imperfect, largely ignorant, idiot with potential I wish the so called “creators/sustainers” would stop sending endless prophets to explain how they will watch most go to their doom and then help usher in an era of “raised vibrations/consciousness” or the next “density” for the “worthy”who changed their lives around at the prompting of strangers in conspiracy forums. I wish they would instead usher in an era where humans including myself gained the continuous faculty of genuine common sense. Though in fairness, from what I hear of them from their prophets, it may be a rare commodity on their side as well. While not as glamorous as recalling past lives, talking to aliens, speaking in “mystical” platitudes, raising our vibrations or having the secrets of the cosmos land in our lap, it might be the most useful and overlooked of them all.

I also notice the advice to choose with the “heart” for most will result in the opposite extreme to “cold intellectualism”. Intellectuals usually thrive on physical facts and logic while their opposite are prone to emotional impulse and flights of fancy, if not fantasy. Perhaps common sense comes from a psyche balanced in the middle. Though genuine intuition seems something largely removed from either. I often wonder why psychology (as in the state of the psyche) and spirituality often appear as vaguely related in “enlightened” new age theory, when they are in fact exactly one and the same thing.

Though the greatest lie of new age cult philosophy IMO is the generalization that everyone's lives are unfolding exactly as they should. I have found it to be quite wrong. If we could trade our mystical “feel good”notions for no more than simple common sense this might not sit well for good reason. At least we won't settle for any dogma but keep an open mind in the absence of real knowledge. The again, I have found many definite anomalies in the commonly espoused nouveau spiritual law.

Going quickly in the proposed cataclysm with the rest of the “unworthy”might not be so bad. I have always found the simple honest “warts 'n all” folk who might never have pondered any of the cosmic mysteries usually to be the ones capable of greatest kindness such as unconditional love anyway, without fuss or motive. While the “spiritual” types seem content enough to talk about it endlessly. Unless it gives an opportunity to score “spiritual” points of course. Not in every instance perhaps, but usually, in my experience.

Anyway, thanks for putting this together. Despite what may seem negative, it is simply a different view and I have genuinely enjoyed and appreciated much of it.




posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 12:06 AM
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Edited due to double post.

[edit on 5-4-2010 by Cogito, Ergo Sum]



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 03:12 AM
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ET_MAN, I found something about the Norway spiral that may make some sense and would like your input on it.

This rock carving is what to me most closely resembles the Norway Spiral:



Source: Celtic Art



A more circular and closer drawn version of the above entry sign is seen on many neolithic rock carvings. Until recently the meaning of this ideogram eluded researchers, but things have now changed. On rock carvings in Scandinavia one often finds signs which look like a strange type of boats or sleighs with short vertical lines on them. They have hitherto been interpreted as representing people. Together with them a lot of small, round signs, and the ideogram , can be seen. Why would people, thousands of years ago, hire rock carvers to work for long hours with the carving of these, seemingly rather meaningless pictures of ships or sleighs together with small, round signs and , in hard rock, as if they were messages important enough for posterity to be made to last thousands of years? Why did neolithic men think these pictures should be conveyed over eons to posterity? A breakthrough in the understandning of these strange ideograms seems to have been made in 1991. An archaeologist got the idea that the small, round signs on those rock carvings could be signs for stars in the sky. He fed the structures of some of the rock carvings into a computer and had the computer to compare them with representations of the constantly changing structure of the constellations of the brightests stars of the sky, century for century for some thousands of years. What he found was that the rock carvings were documentations of the configurations of the visible planets and the brightest of the fixed stars at times of total solar eclipses.Thus the sign might mean the eclipsed sun.


The Mayas talk about a coming eclipse around 2012 where the sun will be hidden for 7 days so I found that interesting. Also this crop circle could very well be interpreted to mean that when we see the spiral, the eclipse is close. To me, the left crop circle could be the crop version of the spiral and the right crop circle could be a symbol for a eclipse.



What is your perception of the meaning of the Norway spiral?



[edit on 5-4-2010 by Copernicus]



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 03:37 AM
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Hi Sphinx551,

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ET_MAN,
What do you think on the issue of Free-will vs Determinism?



Determinism,
In philosophy, the doctrine that all events, including human decisions, are completely determined by previously existing causes. The traditional free will problem arises from the question, Is moral responsibility consistent with the truth of determinism? Among those who believe it is not consistent, some, maintaining the truth of determinism, have concluded that no one is morally responsible for what he does (and therefore that punishment for criminal actions is unjustified); others, maintaining the reality of moral responsibility, have concluded that determinism is false.



Freewill,
1. The ability or discretion to choose; free choice: chose to remain behind of my own free will.
2. The power of making free choices that are unconstrained by external circumstances or by an agency such as fate or divine will.

It’s a deep question to get into when it comes to the “Infinite” where there’s no such thing as deep. But since most currently occupy the “Finite’ body/vessel/vehicle/mind with a better understanding of the “Finite” and little understanding of the “Infinite” where there’s no such thing as “little understanding” it’s better answered in a more easily understood/simplified way. The above and below-coming from my own perspective of course- based on my own personal experiences/understanding of the "Temporal/Eternal/Finite/Infinite" of course.-)

Simply put: Everyone has freewill/free-choice to act/choose and do whatever they act/choose/decide to do. The Law of consequence to Action applies to all.

From an “Infinite/Eternal” perspective where there is “No Time” if one comes close to wrapping/bending their mind around it where there’s no such thing as “close.”-)

Everything in one’s life has already been approved of/pre-determined/chosen by one’s higher self from an “Infinite/Eternal” perspective where there is “No” ‘TIME.”

If one can reason with themselves and try to begin to grasp/understand the concept and implications of what “No Time” really implies/means/is- then one might slightly have a tiny glimpse of the implications that there are “Infinite” amounts of their “Higher-Self” on “Infinite” levels above and “Beyond” where there’s no such thing as “Above/Higher/Lower/Greater/Lesser or Tiny” Where all things occur/happen simultaneously for the “TIME” being within “TIME.” So is everything pre-written/pre-determined? Only for “YOU” and the “Teachers/Creators/Designers” existing outside of the “Finite-Limited 3D-Zone” where there is “No Time.” Who is you’re “Infinite” higher-self?

Can you remember when you were 12years old? Did you feel like you knew much about the world at 12years old? If you could go back in “TIME” now and visit yourself at 12years old and have a discussion with yourself who do you feel would be more intellectually ahead according to possessing knowledge pertaining to the things of the Earth-school/world?



“You” the Conscious Observer/Doer/Experiencer “You” in the here and now is one version of you’re higher self in comparison to you’re past self at the age of 12 according to the perception/memory/birth in this life based on “TIME.” You’re present self is today in the here and now and you’re higher self comes “Tomorrow” from human/understanding/perception based on knowledge of “TIME.” You’re “Infinite” higher self is above and “Beyond” even outside of the boundaries/limits of “TIME” among the Teachers/Creators/Designers are “You’ and “All” from an “Infinite/Eternal” perspective.

The simplified human answer would be ‘YES” everyone is choosing and making their own decisions according to their current level of understanding/intelligence/knowledge/awareness/consciousness but within limit-as all things within the duality/mortality 3D-Zone Earth-school for the “TIME” being have certain limitations to a certain level/degree based on duality/mortality boundaries and “TIME.” But overall-what a person has been given ultimately one has freewill/choice/power to do whatever they will with what they have been given based on their own freewill/choice/agency/decisions/actions always bound to the laws of duality-Consequence to Action. (Opposition being found in all things.)

Dream a Dream, Make a Wish, set a goal, set an appointment, choose/decide/plan and “Do” whatever you’re heart so desires according to you’re freewill/independence but be “wise” understanding that every action has a consequence,- always “Follow the Heart.” From an “Infinite/Eternal” perspective everyone makes it to “INFINITY” and “Beyond” where there’s always a “Beyond” Where “Dreams Do Come True” it’s only a simple yet beyond all human understanding/complex thing/word called “TIME.” What is “TIME” heck if I fully/completely understand/know- do you?


Best Wishes!



[edit on 5-4-2010 by ET_MAN]



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 03:53 AM
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Hi Soul Guardian,

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Hi ET_MAN,
Can you answer my question about why people need to forget what happened in last life if incarnation is designed? I really want to know this answer.

Life’s school/experience of “Duality/Mortality” was intended/meant for the reason/purpose of experiencing/choosing one’s true path. The direction a “Soul” truly desires/chooses to go having both sides of the court available for one to choose. The good/bad/ugly/beautiful in the mix. The Dark/Light, with-opposition/freewill/independence to choose/act/follow/believe whatever one chooses/acts/decides to follow/believe. It’s necessary that most “souls” are born into the 3D-Zone reality/channel/station/world without memory/recall of who they really are/were, where they came from and where they are going. It’s necessary for one to not remember where they are supposed to go or where they perhaps really wanted to go even beforehand-placed into the physical vessel/body/vehicle upon birth.

The reason/purpose behind not remembering anything is to truly advance/progress by one choosing/deciding all on their own without having any of the answers/pre-existent knowledge taken/brought with them. It’s never about "Remembering/Knowing” or having the answers to life's test -but experiencing -“Discovering/Finding” one’s true self without "Remembering/Knowing" and in so doing advancing/progressing further turning one’s weaknesses into strengths. From the “Infinite” perspective this is more difficult to put into words and so I won’t even begin to try unless you have a particular question/wonder and of course this is my personal experience/perspective based on my own personal experiences/understanding.

A statement that comes to mind is- it’s not always about what path one chooses but what path one has already chosen coming from an “Infinite/Eternal” perspective as you’re already there above and “Beyond” where there is no “Time” and so it is. “I am what I am” We are what we are” and “ALL” things are Infinite/Eternally interconnected to “INFINITY” and “Beyond” where there’s always a “Beyond” never ever forgetting the “Beyond.” “Eternal Progression is a “Beyond” never-ending thing and beyond all human understanding/description/explanation (no words to begin) where there is no begin-Incomprehensible to the “Finite/Limited’ understanding and I cannot understand, what was that I just said.-)

Best Wishes!



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 04:11 AM
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Hi Soul Guardian,

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You also mentioned some signs will appear before the date, now the earth - earthquakes and weather do seem abnormal but the situation is not serious enough to make people believe there will be something really big happen, will a distinguishable event happen soon that will awake us?

One who is“Aware” of the signs will look for the tides/quakes and into the sky. The “Signs” will be seen in due “TIME” by all.


Now it is 2010 and quite close to the date.

Perhaps, but what is a date if there is “No Time.” If one could only bend/wrap their minds around it.


Except the doomsday prediction, I really like the other parts of this thread revealed by ET_MAN, which make me tend to believe the prediction.

Nobody enjoys a doomsday scenario/prediction but perhaps that doomsday scenario/prediction one believes is more like a graduation/celebration or a coming “HOME” party for some. The 3D-Zone existence/reality/station/channel/world (whatever one chooses to label/call it) that exists in the “Here” and “Now” according to one’s perception of here and now or “Time” within “TIME” can be considered/likened to a state of sleep or even- “DEATH” for some due to the lower state of awareness/memory/consciousness accompanied by duality/opposition pain/misery/joy/suffering/happiness and LIFE. The “Awakening” comes in due “TIME” where there is no “TIME” on another clip outside of 3D-zone reality/station/channel which is real “LIFE” and “ETERNAL” and is much more “REAL” that Earth's life/current existence ever/will could be.


I followed lots of predictions on the internet and none of them has convinced me. I am eager to know whether human beings really have the prediction or any other ESP abilities.

All “Souls” have the abilities within their “Infinite” selves if they were only “Aware” of them and truly remembered/knew how to unlock/activate/use them.


Links with all history information does not count for prediction here I think. What happened in the past does not mean it will happen in the future, not mention all this links point to a star or planet that visited us before should be in our world, and now the coming star is from another dimension according to ET_MAN. To me it is just not a convincing evidence.

It’s a fair argument/statement, not many astronomers really even know what a brown dwarf really/truly is or how it maneuvers. Celestial objects existing outside of 3D-Zone Space/Time and Earth’s solar system based on the revolutions of the Sun and 3D-Zone Space/Time according to one’s level of awareness/understanding/knowledge/consciousness existing within 3D-zone Space/Time or -–Earth’s/reality/channel/station (Call/define/label it what you will) do not exist within the same “TIME” Density/dimension/layer/station/channel-(Call/define/label it what you will.)


Thanks

I hope some "understand/see" that I've simply been answering people’s questions according to my current level of understanding based on my own personal experience's/understanding/perspective and so forth.

You’re very welcome!

Best Wishes!

p.s. I’ve made an update on documents with another chapter “Signs of the Approach” that can be found here-comingearthchanges.phpbb3now.com... 49+ more Documents to go and I suggest people take their “TIME” and read them before coming to a quick dismissal/conclusion. I hope people can see/realize the reason/purpose for sharing what I have was never about “FEAR” but spreading “Awareness” and the understanding that there is “NOTHING TO FEAR” from an “Infinite/Eternal” perspective as “Everyone will die” eventually it’s not a matter of how, if or when but Death is Life and Life is Death from an "Infinite/Eternal" perspective.

There is nothing to fear for those with "Awareness" and "Understanding" that all things are "Eternal."

"FEAR NOT" What is "Temporal" That which is "ETERNAL" Always Was and Cannot Be Destroyed.- Consciousness is Eternal it is not vanquished with the destruction of the Temporal Body."

Best Dreams!



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 04:22 AM
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Hi Indigothefish,

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Just wondering if 'the benevolents' knew how america, or more so the political unrest going on currently inside, were in relation to the 'benevolent prophecy'

No idea really, I’m not a prophet sent from the “Benevolents” if that’s what people think but I’m sure it all ties together in the long run where there’s no such thing as “Long.”


i realize this thread is 140 + pages of discussion already, but i'm pretty sure it's all been on a very philosophical and metaphysical, almost spiritual level

The original message was something to the affect of-“Be aware of the Coming Earth Changes” along with dropping a few links and some information and the thread went from there. I’ve simply been answering people’s questions all along and in some cases I’ve avoided some of the questions not wanting to get into certain particular areas/things. The thread is full of multiple discussions/topics and veers left/veers right back to Earth Changes. I’m open for discussion but please remember I’m only giving my own personal answers based on my own personal experiences/understanding/perspective and not many out there will closely relate with the experiences I’ve had. This is one reason I’ve stayed away from sharing anything beyond that I’ve had among other more personalized encounters/experiences while in the flesh and while out. Personal is personal so let’s keep it at that.-)


just wondering if 'et man' had anything to say about the unrest going on right now in america, perhaps it is a branch in the same tree?

If I had anything to say it would be “Change” is coming!
How about a “New Day” is Dawning!


Best Wishes!



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 04:29 AM
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Hi FungShuiMyLife,

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How long ET_Man do you plan on posting on this forum? This is the All infinite One question.

Well since there is “NO TIME” I would have to say, yesterday, today, tomorrow and maybe a thousand years from now who knows.-)


The Infinite One asks if you will be on this Earth when the disaster occurs? You said you've seen this. Will you go through it again?

Everyone has seen it from an “Infinite/Eternal” perspective will you go through it again? Wait I’m assuming that we just might together or not- where she blows-who really knows.



When do you, ET_Man continue to stay on abovetopsecret.com/forum on untill what date of timeline on the binary star we call Earth home world?

I will be here today, today, and today.



Is Earth really a blue planet? This is a question also.

What does it look like from you’re perspective?


Best Wishes!



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 04:37 AM
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Hi Reign02,

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Hey thanks and I do apologize for my earlier posts as I was just confused by the way you were wording things I guess. I really sat and thought about your later posts on this thread and I get the message you are trying to send but the world will not wake up.

Oh well no worries and especially no worries for the world and everyone currently experiencing as their “Higher selves” have already worked out the details/approvals from an “Infinite/Eternal” perspective—The Teachers/Creators/Designers are “Infinite” and See it all where there is “No “TIME” and so does “Everyone.”-)


I hate it,

Never hate it, love it.
Perhaps that is part of the test.
Everyone has their own unique/personalized test, I’m sure you will pass like the rest in fact I know you will since everyone already has from an “Infinite/Eternal” perspective where there is nothing but “Infinite” amounts of “TIME” to pass.


people need to realize there is more to the world than money and power. And it is going to take a major significant event to change our ways of thinking as each country throughout the world is on a different level and after different things.

You sound like one of the Teachers/Creators/Designers to me, I'm sure they said "Hi" by the way-keep up the good work.


Thanks for putting up with the trolling in earlier posts as I did not fully realize that you are more or less trying to get people to realize what life is.

Truthfully if someone is here reading anything I've written about life then clearly one is seeking answers or drawn to this thread for curiosity/entertainment’s sake or another reason/purpose whatever that may be. If anything I possibly write helps someone it wasn’t really me it was them. In the long run, where there is no “Long” regardless of what I share/write everyone is on that path they need to be. It’s not about me or them or you as nobody is more special than another from an “Infinite/Eternal” perspective where we truly are all equal according to “Potential” as there is “INFNITE” amounts of “TIME” to work with and everyone has an “Equal Opportunity” within “INFINITY” where there’s always a “BEYOND’ and there’s always a “HAPPY” Ending at the “END” where there is no “END.”


I was wondering do you still think that this is going to occur in 2011? Or was that more of a "scare tactic"

I’m not into scaring people but sometimes it takes one to realize that if they can be scared they need to work on the “Fear Factor” thing where “FEAR” should not be a factor for anyone. Whether one leaves the flesh today, tomorrow or in 2011-2017 does it really make a difference in the long run where there is no “Long”? If “TIME” does not exist then I could tell you that it already happened and is happening and will happen “TODAY.”


Best Wishes!

[edit on 5-4-2010 by ET_MAN]



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 04:38 AM
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et man.
thanks for explaining more about freewill vs. duelty/morality thing, as this is kind of what I also was looking for.

these teachers/guardians have been here guiding us for a very long time then, do you have any idea as to how long.

Some of us then have had past lives here on earth, what about other planets. Is travelling throughout time/space so easy while inbetween these schools/tests that there is the infinate possibilities available for one to choose where he/she goes.

I think you have said in an earlier post that earth is one of the lower schools for us to be in to learn/understand the teachings, is there others the same as earth or are we on a kind of line as in different places/times/planets(moving from one planet to the next) to achieve moving up to these higher planes of existance.
thanks again.



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 05:03 AM
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how does one learn a lesson by being shot on the streets or stabbed to death in a nightclub brawl, or just walking down an alley and a flowerpot hits you on the head.


Hi Redgy,

One might want to consult their higher-self to find out the answer to that. From one’s perspective experiencing life in 3D-zone short term-memory-loss/school/experience/station one is confused as to why such things happen. What could possibly be the reason/purpose behind getting stabbed, beat up, robbed from or even losing a loved one? What was the affect? Cause and Affect is always somewhere in the mix. Did it make a person more humble or did it perhaps cause the opposite affect to occur/happen and perhaps a person is more angry at the world and upset? How does one deal with the situations they are up against? Perhaps that is all part of that persons unique/personalized “Game of Life” test.

But are things really as they always seem or are they much more under control than one thinks? Never Fear the Game of Life!

The Game Of Life!



how is it something learned when one goes on a shooting spree, or a war breaks out and can only mean kill or be killed, is it meant to happen, is this what the benevolents want. teachers are supposed to be there to teach, not to harm, kill or murder.

Duality is a place where freewill applies as we see it from a human/finite perspective and those experiencing/doing/acting are Teachers/Creators/Designers from an “Infinite/Perspective” so what are the Teachers/Creators/Designers allowing to happen to themselves? The thought comes to mind- Usually it’s a person that is the hardest on themselves out of anyone, if one chooses to battle another what is their reason/purpose for doing it and where is their “HEART” behind it all? What is their intention/desire/wish/hope/dream?


what benefit would these kinds of lessons give anyone in another life, in another place, in another time.

More than could be understood for the “TIME” being.
If a person decides to do something one must ask themselves why did that person choose/decide to do what they did in the first place? For what reason/purpose/motive?Whatever happened- there was a reason/purpose behind why one did what they did and a motive/intention behind it. Everything with reason/purpose and allowed/known about beforehand and even pre-authorized by one’s higher self from an “Infinite/Eternal” perspective. You get what you ask for, you reap what you sow. Consequence to Action, what you do unto others you only do back unto yourself from an Infinite/Eternal perspective.


how about those starving kids in africa, haven't they been listening to these teachers, hunger, disease and poverty. Sure makes one wonder what the reasons of purpose exists for them.

Everything has a reason/purpose and part of that reason/purpose is for good hearted people like yourself to remain humble/appreciative of what they have “Aware” realizing what is taking place on the other side of one’s kitchen full of food. If everyone in the world each individual could help another person just 1 in need, think of how much greater the world would be if everyone truly did their part and reached out to just 1 person in true/dire need of food/water/health/support.


If the next world is so much better, why even bother being here.

Everything must happen at least “ONE” time within “TIME” and the “Here” and “Now” experience/doer/student says a lot. This school of duality and life is not an easy thing for anyone to go through. The Game of Life is difficult for anyone to go through if they believe it’s 100% real when jumping of the edge of the building where there is no edge.The test of duality was never intended/made to be easy but imagine you’re higher self and the Teachers/Creators/Designers “INFINITE” family looking down on you and smiling as you go through those hardships/trials/tribulations. They are waiting for one to step of the building/edge where they will remember family/friends awaiting them on the other side of the veil with a celebration/meeting. Perhaps “Temporal” for some who have more things to work out but what is “Temporal” really/truly to the “Infinite” where there’s no such thing as short/long/high or low.


life here is what one alone makes of it, wether good or bad. the freewill that each and every one of us has, and what one does is not controlled by others, it's not directed and probably not even judged to be wrong when the end time comes as those who do these 'bad' things, in their beliefs are doing right and those things that they need to do.

It can be seen/viewed in many ways from many levels of understanding/perspectives. The current “Finite’ and the “Infinite” and beyond. (+ everything else in-between where there is no in-between.-)


If there are no rules set by these teachers, how can one learn the lessons or know what is right from wrong.

By having no rules truly and freewill with what one is given. One must find/learn/discover those rules through experiencing the good/bad/ugly/sorrow/misery/joy/happiness all on their own. So there are rules afterall that apply within duality but one must discover/find them. Consequence to action, what you do unto others you do unto yourself. You reap what you sow from an “Infinite/Eternal” perspective.


what's right for you doesn't mean it's right for someone else, so who can we judge to be right, who should benefit and who shouldn't, who should rule or who can be the slave, who has a right to die, who can live.

All good questions to think about and I see you’re right on in the thinking from my perspective.


good people go down just as hard as the bad, and no amount of kindness, love or goodwill can change any of that, not in the now or in the hereafter.

Good people based on this one/temporal life experience, who is to know/say what that one person chose for themselves from the “INFINITE” and “BEYOND.” All good things go to “BETTER” places. As I’ve previously mentioned sometimes the people who commit the crimes are the hardest on themselves, who is to say why a person chose what they did or allowed/authorized their life/situation to happen/occur as it did. It’s not that they did not have the freewill to act/choose but perhaps their higher-selves already knew the choices they would make beforehand but can see the “INFINITE” Outcome/Picture and know that all things will work out for the better in the long run from an “Infinite/Eternal” perspective where there is no long.


I agree we are on earth to learn many lessons and the challenges that go with these. and yes, I really do hope that doing things from the goodness of heart/mind can lead someone to a better life in the light, even though that shouldn't be the only or main reason to strive for in doing these good things.

The reward one receives is the reward of helping everyone out in the long run where there is no long. Helping one in need is helping yourself as “ALL” things are infinite/eternally connected and “FAMLY” from an “Infinite/Eternal” perspective and “BEYOND” where there’s always a beyond and you/I/we/all create as we “GO” let it snow, let it snow, let it snow.-)


ET man did explain the freewill side of things and the duality of opposites, just not sure on how it ties in with having enough lessons learned or having the right way of life by experiencing these types of wrongs/hardships, of life being cut short, or killing through wars, having different ideals/beliefs of right and wrong. without any guides/laws on what one must achieve or what one calls right from wrong, how much awareness must a person raise to gain entry to these higher planes, how good must one be and what lessons are supposed to be learnt to succeed.

The lessons one learns in this “Temporal” existence are the lessons meant/intended for one to learn for the “TIME” being where there are “INFINITE” amounts of “TIME” and everyone makes it to the “INFNINTY” and “Beyond” zone it’s just a simple-yet extremely complex/matter of “TIME.”



Even God didn't keep these things a secret when it was written on stone that 10 commandments be obeyed or when Jesus died on the cross for all mankinds sins. is just a strong belief in these benovolents ruling our souls the key in making it through to the next level or is there more.

It’s nice to have the clues left out in plain site for one to stumble upon. It’s harder for one to never be “Aware” of such things and have to discover/learn the laws of the “Infinite” heart which is within them all on their own. The laws of “Good” and “Evil” and the gift of “Knowing” good from “Evil’ and distinguishing opposition one thing from another is “Within’ all “souls” experiencing/duality/mortality in 3D-zone school/life/channel/station (Call/label/define it what you choose/will.)

Best Wishes!




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posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 06:54 AM
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Originally posted by ET_MAN

Simply put: Everyone has freewill/free-choice to act/choose and do whatever they act/choose/decide to do. The Law of consequence to Action applies to all.

making their own decisions according to their current level of understanding/intelligence/knowledge/awareness/consciousness



I watch from the start the conversation.I think in the start you were saying that although there is free will there are some small things which have been arranged from the day which are born for us.

Isn't that right?

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posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 07:04 AM
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Originally posted by ET_MAN
Hi Soul Guardian,

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Hi ET_MAN,
Can you answer my question about why people need to forget what happened in last life if incarnation is designed? I really want to know this answer.

Life’s school/experience of “Duality/Mortality” was intended/meant for the reason/purpose of experiencing/choosing one’s true path. The direction a “Soul” truly desires/chooses to go having both sides of the court available for one to choose. The good/bad/ugly/beautiful in the mix. The Dark/Light, with-opposition/freewill/independence to choose/act/follow/believe whatever one chooses/acts/decides to follow/believe. It’s necessary that most “souls” are born into the 3D-Zone reality/channel/station/world without memory/recall of who they really are/were, where they came from and where they are going. It’s necessary for one to not remember where they are supposed to go or where they perhaps really wanted to go even beforehand-placed into the physical vessel/body/vehicle upon birth.

The reason/purpose behind not remembering anything is to truly advance/progress by one choosing/deciding all on their own without having any of the answers/pre-existent knowledge taken/brought with them. It’s never about "Remembering/Knowing” or having the answers to life's test -but experiencing -“Discovering/Finding” one’s true self without "Remembering/Knowing" and in so doing advancing/progressing further turning one’s weaknesses into strengths. From the “Infinite” perspective this is more difficult to put into words and so I won’t even begin to try unless you have a particular question/wonder and of course this is my personal experience/perspective based on my own personal experiences/understanding.

A statement that comes to mind is- it’s not always about what path one chooses but what path one has already chosen coming from an “Infinite/Eternal” perspective as you’re already there above and “Beyond” where there is no “Time” and so it is. “I am what I am” We are what we are” and “ALL” things are Infinite/Eternally interconnected to “INFINITY” and “Beyond” where there’s always a “Beyond” never ever forgetting the “Beyond.” “Eternal Progression is a “Beyond” never-ending thing and beyond all human understanding/description/explanation (no words to begin) where there is no begin-Incomprehensible to the “Finite/Limited’ understanding and I cannot understand, what was that I just said.-)

Best Wishes!



I really cannot understand this.I mean all the knowledge and experiences from the previous lives are wasted?So what the purpose of incarnation?

There are some doctors which based on the experiences in previous lives can heal some symptoms of them in the current life of their patients.

Let's say that a patient has panic attacks when sees something.That reaction may has happened from a cause of a previous life.And understanding this can achieve the healing.

The infinity wants to forget our past memory but there are some things that appearing in our present life that comes from the previous one.Of course you can say that is the karma.But without the knowledge that we can release it how can move on?

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posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 11:50 AM
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ET_MAN, I offer sincere thanks in return for your ongoing support and understanding of my intentions. The more I discover about you, the more I realise that my original faith in your role and intent from the outset of this endeavour was ‘truly’ from a purely inspired place The concise follow up and elaboration of my message was appreciated also, as you can outline with clarity complex spiritual subjects. You persistentlty unveil much truth with ease, that will only help guide others who are meant to encounter and ‘see’at this stage of the journey. Indeed, we will all find our way.

This world can feel like a difficult experience at times, which is why efforts in conscious awakenings to our true nature are so positive in helping dissolve many fears through heightened awareness. I have am regularly being shown many things easily perceived as negative/fear inducing and am at peace realising my guided path. There are choices that will continue to be made based on either the true higher nature of love and the lower nature of fear/separation of the ‘whole’. The divine path of light (love) will lead all to such a state of grace eventually and I only wish I could put the feelings of utter freedom/release that I feel at times into words—At a point of understanding there are no real victims, enemies nor death beyond this veil of illusions. As we learn to let go of the myriad of 3D fears, material attachments, the desire to control/manipulate the will of others, we will discover that there is nothing to really fear or ‘fight for’, including obsessing over survival in a reality where physical ‘death’ simply signifies the next stage of the journey. The infinite universe will always take care of itself, including our Mother Earth and all the ‘children’ in it as it always has and always will. Peace, Grace and Perception to All.



posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 12:53 PM
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Greeting to all…

Just wanted to share a predictive episode I experienced roughly a couple of weeks ago, as I have noticed queries made in this thread regarding questioning of prediction/prophetic ability. I am sure the validity of what I experienced could be openly debated/rationalized by others, but I will share regardless. It is relevant to this thread as I continue to experience several visions relating to coming Earth changes discussed here—yet to come to fruition as fast as my episode below.

Firstly, the backstory: I am currently saving bit by bit for an overseas holiday to Europe. I found myself on the internet late at night pinpointing and noting several breathtakingly beautiful locations I’d love to experience; places that I felt would bring me much joy to see up close before my short journey here is complete. I soon had a rough itinarary written and realised looking at it that there was no way with my current financial situation and time frame allowed that I will be able to afford this ‘dream’ experience. In a state of mild frustration, I began to imagine the concept of no barriers and abundance to be able to do all the things that bring us pure joy such as exploring exotic lands in true freedom from financial constraints. Such Earthly ‘wishes’ are rare for me, but I found myself yearning much for this life experience from the heart and soul. I trotted off to bed that night thinking I am going to have to limit my plans and accept the likely situation.

That very morning just prior to waking, something strange happened. I was provided a vision. A view of a soccer player taking a penalty kick. The interesting thing about this was that I received it right on the day our national league soccer final was to be played. From the outset I ‘just knew’ this was significant and not just a regular dream. I had a feeling strongly within that this was an insight—a revelation relevant to the coming final and the possibility that I had placed a call out to the universe that night and received a response. As I pondered this vision some more, a feeling came over me- a feeling totally against my nature as I saw this as a granted opportunity for quick and easy abundance. That being recognizing an opportunity to profit via gambling on this viewed outcome. The tricky dilemma was that I am not a gambler. In fact I resent the destructiveness it often leads to for individuals and families, and also didn’t want to risk my guaranteed savings for the payout I needed.

This was a classic case of heart vs mind and after much deliberation, I decided to go so far as withdrawing a significant sum of money from my limited savings before in turn offering the prediction to my cousin that the score will finish 1-1 (regular time) and proceed to penalties (none of this based on ‘guesswork’, only ‘inner feeling’ from what I was shown and felt). I further pondered in my mind what would feel worse--placing blind faith in my vision and risking the loss of my limited savings (totally jeopardising my plans to travel this year), or ignoring a potential golden opportunity and possibly regretting not taking full advantage..dilemma, dilemma.

The final outcome?? The vision proved correct as well as the scoreline unseen. A 1-1 draw at the end of 90mins before eventually proceeding to a penalty shootout as revealed to me that morning. However in the end, I didn’t have the stomach to risk my savings betting only $20 at generous 4-1 odds. In hindsight, I chose to not follow through in full faith of what I knew deep down was a ‘gift of insight’. I understand though that everything happens as it is supposed to-- for I feel the true purpose of the experience had nothing to do with material gain. I considered it essentially a life lesson to hold firm in guided faith with my visions, to never doubt what I know deep down to be true when received/intensely perceived as such. Essentially, I realise that what we are supposed to know, perceive and act on, we will recognise intrinsically and do so with divine guidance when deemed necessary. I cannot prove to anybody as absolute truth that any of what I have stated really happened, even after the fact! I can only share this as example of being shown a ‘future outcome’ in light of other much more highly significant visions that I am aware intrinsically will be revealed and unfold in ‘time’.


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posted on Apr, 5 2010 @ 01:59 PM
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I would like to say to the member "benedict9" I fully believe/understand your experience above and would like to say that follow your heart always and as for the money savings of going abroad I would just like to say my very close best friend I have known for 20 years he packed up everything and left the country with no spending money.

He only had enough for the plane ticket and 4 weeks travelling fairs/tickets and enough for food and water. As for rent costs and bills and then the food/water costs he fortunately found work within 2 months of being their but only part-time which was not enough to pay for his $50 a night caravan and $20 a day for bus fairs.

6-7 months later he met a really lovely lady friend and they started to date. She helped with his finacial situations but could only provide food and water as my mate could only provide for rent and bills.

The way he survived out in the out-back of Australia he travelled everyday across the deserts to different cities applying for work whether it would be 12 hour shifts working at a box factory which lasted 4 weeks and he would travel 6 hours everyday on a bus. 3 hours each way.

He then had enough dollar's to rent out a car and travel the country thats when he made his way to Tasmania Island and lived their for a further 3 months where he would fish for his food from the ocean and rent out that $50 caravan with his gf.

He successfully got a job as a Tasmanian Devil Detective(he looked after the wel-being of these creatures and took them to vets to check them over as they were tagged for their safety as they are some of the rarest of creature's to exist today.

Yes the job title sounds funny however it paid for all the costs of rent/bills/water/food/petrol and savings. On the last 4 weeks he had enough money to travel Australia one more time and he took over some 800+ photos.

Even at one point he asked me to come visit as I was struggling for money. However when I look back at that situation I've realised now I could have afforded to go over if I sorn the car off the road and froze my car insurance.

My mate has been to Fiji for 10 weeks with borrowed money from his brother which he used towards a degree course in conservation work for the ocean bed-life and the sharks to understand that they are not as dangerous as some people assume they are.

He spent 3 months in Asia travelling to Bangkok, China and Thailand, which he then travelled to Austalia and lived their for a further 9 months. He has travelled to 2 other countries. And he has been travelling for 4 years coming back to England and travelling again over-seas.

Hes only just turned 21 years old back in January 2010. As for me I left school when I turned 16 years old, started college. Completed 5 courses in mechanical and electrical and electronic engineering. Two years qualified in TIG,MIG,MMA welding. Cad designer, qualified CNC operator lathe/milling/drilling/grinding etc. Done just under two years in the engineering industy as a maintenance engineer. I've got NVQ's in IT, Maths, Physics, team work courses, I've done volunatry work for farms/forestry/fire services. I've done plenty more and I've just gone back into training for more courses.

The point is I've only been working part-time for the last 5 years and the previous 3 years full-time on and off as I've been made redundant 6 times in the past 12 months.

Whereas my mate had the "time" to go travel with very little money and sometimes no-money I chose to stay in education and still have yet no money. However I do believe it would be nice to travel its just a matter of when and how. I always go with my "inner-feelings" and if I feel its better not to go this year abroad I stay with those "inner-feelings".

We don't need money for everything, I believe if your willing enough to put effort into anything then you deserve what you give and you shall receive.



posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 03:22 AM
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Originally posted by Reign02

First off all WTF do you know about me?? NOTHING!!!!!!!!! You don't know why I joined the military, you don't know what I fight for, you do not have any idea how the military works, you do not KNOW SHT!!


I know these are exceptions, but stuff like this doesnt help the image of the American military. They did this, lied about it and tried to cover it up.



WikiLeaks has released a classified US military video depicting the indiscriminate slaying of over a dozen people in the Iraqi suburb of New Baghdad -- including two Reuters news staff.


Classified US military video depicting slaying of Iraqis


Another one:



After initially denying involvement or any cover-up in the deaths of three Afghan women during a badly bungled American Special Operations assault in February, the American-led military command in Kabul admitted late on Sunday that its forces had, in fact, killed the women during the nighttime raid.


U.S. and Allied Forces: We Killed Pregnant Afghan Women



You have to understand that when the American president then goes on TV and tell people that "they hate us because of our freedoms", its actually pure evil. To have that power to influence people, but use it for lying and promoting your own agenda.

These are exceptions, but this sort of stuff happens now and then. I wonder how much we never hear about.


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posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 06:35 AM
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Nah the world aint going to end! There is nothing on the horizon I can see that is going to cause imminent destruction, And 2012 will pass by like a fart in a breeze. So sit back crack a cold one and relax will yah's


Do they have beer in heaven?


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posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by MOTT the HOOPLE
Nah the world aint going to end! There is nothing on the horizon I can see that is going to cause imminent destruction, And 2012 will pass by like a fart in a breeze. So sit back crack a cold one and relax will yah's


Do they have beer in heaven?


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The world of our planet Earth will never end. It will just change or shift completely.

If it's not 2011/2012 it'll be 100 years. I'm not giving it over 100 years because other planets play into the motion of this planet on where it stands within the cycle of our solar system.

Saturn is already going through a polar shift. If Saturn is getting worse, well that's just not good. A scientist is 100% unsure of whats going to happen within 100 years to even add a statement on whats going to happen.

Man has survived just as the Dinosaurs have survived to the mystery they are now, evolution or better yet lied about. It strikes me to know and yet to not know they existed and can't be accounted for!

I hope they have beer in heaven, because your sure going to be intoxicated if all these earth quakes keep going on or leading to worse situations in your area and even the world as history shows, for instance Europe has been "cleansed from Earth with a couple of million once.

Shouldn't worry anyway cause we just don't know and anything is possible.



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posted on Apr, 6 2010 @ 02:03 PM
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I'm not trying to be Chris White spokesperson here but he's one of the few people I know on the Youtubes who is debunking some of this 2012 stuff. I have also heard that pole shifts happen all the time and are hardly noticeable. I've heard this "brown dwarf" hypothesis as well and am not sure it's valid either. When you search for information/videos on this topic, my suggestion would be to try adding, your search, terms like "debunked, exposed, revealed". IE. "2012 + debunked".



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