reply to post by FiatLux
I am here because of all the "Fear Porn" being put before the people.
That’s really nice of you Fiatlux to be looking after everyone, have you ever considered the many other ATS topics that fall under such categories.
Anything that can bring/cause ‘Fear’ well there are many such subjects out there, a lot of things happening on planet Earth – Wars- are
‘Fearful’ for many caught in the path of destruction. Life on Earth is clearly not easy for many, anyone reading this now is blessed to have
internet access and if you have enough to get online you are most likely eating 3square meals a day. Count your many blessings as they say.
War on Terror/9-11 (inside job)
De-population of Earth.
FEMA Camps. WWIII/Anti-Christ
Book of Revelation/Prophecies
Alien Invasion/Human mutilation
Malevolent ET’s/Reptilian/Annunaki empire/Agenda!
Secret Societies of the world agenda/human sacrifice/mass sacrifice through War.
WAR WAR WAR, death by pain/suffering,Starvation of millions,child/abuse/abortion.
Fearful topics/subjects, you have much work to do in order to save ATS members from ‘Fearful subjects’ and I personally thank you for looking
after everyone. If you have done your research on past cataclysmic events and cycles of Earth starting from roughly around the time of the last so
called ‘Great flood’ of biblical times to current present time you would see that there is in fact ‘Evidence’ to support some of what I’ve
written in fact there is a lot of it. Moreso than many topics on the above mentioned list so please do your homework and remember most of what I’ve
shared on this thread is coming from ‘Other sources’ and can be ‘Verified’ by yourself if you take the time to look into it and research it.
Try visiting a few sites for starters.
It`s simple, most of it is nothing but that, things to keep people on the edge. Why, do you like reading things like that?
I’m sure you can find hundreds to even thousands of threads on ATS and say the same thing about them all. Thanks for being here for everyone
Fiatlux, it’s very noble and kind of you sir.
You must, or you wouldn`t have said something. I`ll use something you said and use it in a quote, but you can take this for what I am writing
here. "IF YOU DONT LIKE WHAT HE SAYS THEN GO AWAY,"
He does have a point Fiatlux but at the same time I can understand your big-brotherly concern for all of us.
I don`t fear ET_MAN or you.
I would hope not. lol I would hope you can let go of all ‘Fear’ and conquer it/overcome it. It’s not an easy thing to do , I’m still afraid of
certain things such as falling off high story buildings among other ‘Fears’ nobody is perfect but we are all working towards overcoming it. I
don’t fear Death but there are certain particular methods/ways of dieing that I do ‘Fear.’ I need to work on those perhaps.
What I don`t like, is the tactics used for things like this. When it is nothing but speculation, and not fact, but is being sold as
Would you like me to state everything that I’ve written as speculation? If it makes you feel better I will use that word. Speculation, a word
used/defined by man with quite a few angles/perspectives. There is enough ‘evidence’ out there for people to view/see things all on their own so
most of what I’ve shared is coming from other sources that can be researched/verified anyway.
A few links of many out there.
Everyone else has the right to think/act/choose for themselves to Fiatlux. But I do thank you for your kind hearted concern and big-brotherly
protection. I understand better now why perhaps you have followed along for so long now in this thread with your many replies. It makes better sense
and thanks for clearing that up.
I do have the right to say something about it.
Of course you do and you have been exercising that right throughout the thread and I’m sure there are many here who are glad you have done so and I
for one am appreciative/proud of you for that kind of gesture/concern that you’ve shown/demonstrated, after all you have only been looking after us
and have the best intentions in mind. We appreciate your words, concerns and great ‘Love’ that you have clearly shown/demonstrated in this thread
for everyone Fiatlux. Sincerely!
As for "you clowns", ask ET_MAN about that. He`s the one trying to get people to buy this.
You may recall Fiatlux that I’ve advertised quite a few times that- I’m not selling a thing and that people can walk away from this thread anytime
they want. I’m only here now to answer the questions people are asking- nothing more. If people ask me question I will answer them, nobody is being
force fed anything Fiatlux and I do understand now you are only looking out for the welfare of all of ‘Humanity.’ That is a noble reason/cause for
being here Fiatlux it’s a very big job due to the many sites, articles, threads and products out there being sold but I sincerely thank you for the
kindness of your heart that you have shown/demonstrated. I believe everyone on Earth should have the same desire/motive. ‘Service to others’ is a
good thing as long as your taking care of yourself at the same time. Thanks again Fiatlux.
I feel sorry for the people who are just starting to look for answers. Whats more abusive, selling speculation, or trying to make people aware
that it is just that, speculation?
I’ve asked people to remain skeptical throughout the thread but to keep an open mind and I’ve asked people to do their own research and
learn/verify things for themselves.
Most of the information I’ve provided is coming from other ‘sources’ because who could ever take one persons testimony for all of this alone
regardless of position/stature or credentials? I’ve also suggested people follow their own hearts and find the answers within themselves and that
‘Truth’ cannot be given/transferred to any one individual but found/realized by an individual within and that realization part must happen from
within. I’ve merely presented some information and asked people to consider some of the information I’ve shared that can be found on many other
websites and coming from many other ancient accounts/texts/records. I’ve also asked people to please verify/research things for themselves. Is that
so wrong Fiatlux. – I’m also here with the best intentions at heart: To help/assist ‘Humanity’ in the same way you are hoping to help people.
If I happen to have some inside knowledge about things to come I hope to share it so that people have a way to protect, take care of their families in
times of ‘Famine’ when food/water will be a necessity to survive. I hope you also understand where I’m coming from. Thank you Fiatlux.
I hope you realize Fiatlux speculation is just a word given/defined by man like the rest of them. You can use that word if you like but there is
enough evidence to be found and with many inside witness/testimonies/documentation on past cataclysmic events/cycles and preparations being
made/planned by world governments. I really shouldn’t have to say anymore. Please feel free to take everything I’ve written as speculation but you
might want to consider investigating/researching at the same time instead of quickly dismissing it all.
Peace, Love & Light to you my friend.
I know you only mean well and have the best intention in mind
for everyone and I sincerely thank you for taking the time
to follow this thread even though you may not agree with
why I came here and shared what I did. Nevertheless we can
still have respect for each other and it doesn’t change the fact
that we are all ONE family and coming from the same source
of ‘Light’ so you are part of that ‘Family of Light’ from an eternal
perspective. At least that is the way I see it and we do love you Fiatlux.
(Something Interesting to read at least)
Mayan Elders Break Silence
The leader of the Mayan Council of Elders representing 440 Guatemalan tribes, Don Alejandro Cirilo Perez has given his approval to Drunvalo
Melchizedek to tell the world what the Mayans themselves have to say about the 2012 prophecies.
According to the Mayan Council we are all now living in the window of “the end of time” which the Council says began on 24 October 2007 NOT on 21
December 2012. They verify the explosion of the Comet Holmes as the Blue Kachina.
. The Maya have a second prophecy about a red star, but are not speaking on this yet
The Blue Kachina exploded and grew into a blue fiery sphere larger than our Sun on 24 October 2007.
It was documented by scientists as the largest object ever observed in our solar system.
The Maya came from Atlantis and the Hopi Indians were originally Maya. Some 13,000 years ago, a group of Maya were sent on for a purpose but the
purpose they do not say at this time. This group became the Hopi tribe.
Part 6 -
The Maya say there will be a physical pole shift sometime in this end of time period. It will end up in Russia. The May a say the shift will be about
16 degrees whereas 3D scientists are saying it will be about 17 degrees.
The magnetic field began to change about 40 years ago. The magnetic lines were changing because the magnetic field was changing. The Maya appear to be
saying that this magnetic pole shift could occur at ANY MINUTE and THE PROCESS ONLY TAKES 20 HOURS. [Ron: Of course the fact that past pole shifts
occurred in 20 hours doesn’t necessarily mean that this one will be over in that time since Star Fleet may seek to slow the process down to minimize
physical damage on Urantia’s surface.].
When there is a magnetic pole shift there is ALWAYS NO MAGNETIC FIELD. Thus a total loss of magnetosphere will signal a magnetic pole reversal which
will signal a physical pole shift 16 to 17 degrees into Russia. It will take approximately 20 hours and the world will be in total darkness for 30
hours. [Ron: Given that the Sun will presumably continue to shine it’s difficult to see how the whole Earth will be in darkness for 30 hours]
Part 7 –
It is suggested that during the process, after about two weeks the Earth’s rock crust turns liquid! The crust will move towards centre [16 degrees
into Russia according to the Edgar Cayce prophecy and 17 degrees of movement according to today's 3D scientists.]
The crucial message the Maya are giving is that humanity need to understand what is happening and not go into FEAR. Survival depends on staying still
and not worrying until everything comes back.
[Ron: In fact stasis will presumably overcome this problem].
However, these movements will mean that everyone and everything on earth will change location as a result of the Earth movements involved.
The key to survival is to learn to live in the vibration of the Earth, Sun and Universe.
The heart is the key. – in the heart one is one with ALL. – We need to focus on the sacred space of the heart.
I have always said there should be NO FEAR but people should be AWARE of things to come and prepare mentally, physically and most importantly
‘Spiritually’. The Earth Changes to come are based upon many ancient ‘Prophecies’ by many different civilizations including the Hopi & Maya.
Evidence can be found for those who diligently seek it. ET_MAN
Courtesy of Evasius.
2012: Why the Creation Cycles do not end December 21, 2012, but October 28, 2011
By Carl Johan Calleman
Over the decades much discussion has focussed on finding the exact correlation between the Mayan Long Count and the Gregorian calendar. Most
researchers in the field have now come to agree that the so-called GMT correlation, placing the beginning of the Long Count 4 Ahau 8 Cumku on the
Julian day 584 283, August 11, 3114 BC, is correct. This means by consequence that it will end on December 21, 2012 and most, such as Jose Arguelles,
John Jenkins and Terence McKenna, who have taken an interest in the calendar of the Maya, have endorsed this date as the end of the current cycle.
I do not dispute that the GMT correlation for the Long Count with the Gregorian calendar is the correct one. And clearly, the Long Count is an
approximately (within a year or so) correct reflection of the divine process of creation. There are however strong reasons to believe that the Mayan
Long Count itself does not reflect the shifting energies of the divine creation cycles that we today are interested in exactly. What in this regard is
most compelling is that the exact Long Count beginning date ultimately is calibrated based on the date of solar zenith in Izapa, which occurs on
August 12. (Izapa is the ancient Mayan site in southern Mexico where the Long Count was first devised.)
This solar zenith day was since long, long before the Long Count was implemented, considered as the day of the year when �time began� and
considered as a holy date in the location of Izapa. There is thus every reason to believe that the solar zenith was the reason the initial day in the
Long Count, 4 Ahau 8 Cumku, was set on this day, although obviously the date of solar zenith in Izapa has nothing to do with the real beginning of the
corresponding divine creation cycle. (But to change this date would have been considered as heresy. We may make the comparison with the date of
Christmas, which was taken from old solstice celebrations, and has not been changed, despite the fact that few, if any, believes that Jesus was born
The end date of the Long Count falls on December 21, 2012 is thus just a necessary logical consequence of the beginning date chosen by the Izapans and
not something that the Maya had intentionally targeted. The creation cycles described by the Maya, including the tzolkin, are fundamentally of a
spiritual, non-astronomical, nature. Thus, any theory that implies that the Mayan Long Count would have been designed to reflect astronomical
phenomena, be it the precession of the earth or a solar zenith, is a warning signal that its originator is off the mark. It should be obvious that if
the Mayan calendar is a prophetic calendar describing cosmic energy cycles of a universal nature then the particular date at which the sun was in
zenith in the particular location of Izapa is totally irrelevant for us who live today and must be considered as nothing but a result of a tradition
too strong to be changed.
Another equally compelling reason why December 21, 2012 cannot be the true date of completion of creation is that this day is 4 Ahau in the tzolkin
count. Since the Long Count consists of exactly 7200 tzolkin rounds then the true end of creation must fall on a day that is 13 Ahau in the tzolkin
count so that the tzolkin rounds even out. If we want to find out what is the real date of ending of the creation cycles we must therefore look for a
day around the year 2012, which is 13 Ahau in the tzolkin count. The inscriptions in Palenque, written about a thousand years later than the Long
Count was devised in Izapa, seem to indicate that the date of relevance is October 28, 2011, which in fact is 13 Ahau in the tzolkin count.
The issue of the exact correlation between the creation cycles and physical time may not have been as critical in the age of the Maya as it is to us,
since creation is currently operating at a 400 times higher frequency. A discrepancy of a year or so may have meant less earlier than it does to us
who live today. If we make a mistake of 420 days in calibrating the end date of the creation cycles we will be totally out of phase with the rapidly
evolving Galactic Creation Cycle where the Yin/Yang dualities in the cosmos are switched off and on every 360 days. These energy changes are what a
spiritual calendar should reflect if it is to serve humanity in its current phase of evolution.
It should be said also that those who propose December 21, 2012 as an end date, such as Terence McKenna and John Jenkins, are basing their entire
interpretations of the Mayan calendar on this particular date of ending, as if this was what the entire calendar was about. I feel however that what
is most important for us to know today is the processes leading up to the completion of creation and the attainment of Cosmic Consciousness. This
process is driven forward by the roller-coaster-like Galactic Creation Cycle, and for those seeking to understand this process and its many
manifestations an exact calibration of this cycle is imperative. This is now available in calendar form.
Corrected durations of the Thirteen Heavens baktuns of the Long Count
Baktun no����(Corrected) Duration
Please Do Your Own Research!
[edit on 27-12-2009 by ET_MAN]