Will the energy-climate bill be the straw that breaks America's back?, page 1
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Topic started on 26-6-2009 @ 06:47 PM by Hemisphere
I've seen nothing on ATS regarding this crucial congressional vote. It is apparently being hastily pushed through. From what I understand, this vote is happening as I post.

Major energy-climate bill chugs toward House vote

This is another disaster aimed at draining the savings of Americans. This bill has been altered at the last moment and it is virtually impossible for anyone voting on it to have read it and understand what is contained. This is the same tactic used with the stimulus package.

Obama pledged transparency during the campaign. This is not transparency. This is forcing another tax package through congress and this one under the guise of clean energy/environmentally friendly legislation. From the AP report:


The White House and congressional Democrats argued the bill would create millions of "green jobs" as the nation shifts to greater reliance on renewable energy sources such as wind and solar and development of more fuel-efficient vehicles — and away from use of fossil fuels such as oil, gas and coal. - By H. JOSEF HEBERT and DINA CAPPIELLO, Associated Press


What is not mentioned here is the loss of jobs in those other industries and the net loss of energy from wind and solar etc. These forms of energy do not produce anything approaching equal to coal, oil or nuclear. I recommend everyone read these reports.

This from StarTribune.com, the result of the vote:

iUs" target="_blank" class="postlink">House, in close vote, approves measure to limit pollution, move US toward cleaner power

The House Republican leader, Rep. John Boehner, calls this bill a "bureaucratic nightmare".

What do you think of this?

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reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 07:12 PM by proximo
I was watching the last 2 hours before the vote, it is absolutly unbelievable this trash passed.

There was a 309 page amendment added at 3:09 am, the republican leader simply read excerpts from it as an argument agains the bill and the stuff he was reading was horrifying.

Some of the highlights: All houses before being sold will have to have an energy efficiency audit, and all inspectors will have to be retrained at taxpayer expense. If the house does not meet the standards of the bill the seller is required to get it up to code at their cost.

All new houses are to be built with a certain number and size and locations of electrical outlets for electric cars.

Every city village or town will have to have an energy efficiency czar to enforce the regulations.

Derivatives laws were repealed, ones which I am sure might get in the way of the fortune the banks are going to make selling Carbon derivatives.

The bill will give more money to fannie and freddie for green mortgages, preferred financing to get people into energy efficient housing.

The bill mandates for every year for at least the next thirty the percent of power that most be purchased from alt energy. It also allows up to 20 year contracts be signed for providing such energy - so of course we are going to be locked into outrageous rates because of these long term contracts while alt energy costs our high due to the infancy of the industry. There was so much more, we are really screwed.

EVEN THE EPA said the bill WILL INCREASE pollution.

Most estimates say it will cost at least 800 billion and cost at least 2 million jobs. Based on what I heard I think it will be even more than that.

If people would just take the time to watch cspan a few times, they would be so sickened that not 1 member even reads bills like this the whole country might turn around.

I think this is the worst bill to pass for our economy since the passage of the creation of the IRS.



reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 07:15 PM by Hastobemoretolife
reply to post by daddyroo45



I can't say what I think we should do. But I can tell you one thing the rate it is going this very well could be the straw that breaks the camels back.

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if there was gun control hidden in this legislation. It still has to get through the senate though.

Everybody that voted to pass this and didn't read it deserves to be voted out and run out of town. This really ticks me off.


reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 07:20 PM by TreadUpon
reply to post by Hastobemoretolife



You are a very kind and generous man to let these bastards off so lightly by running them out of town. I just dont think congress is listening to the people at all. The Democratic Congressmen (and women) are scared of their districts but have been cowed by Pelosi anyway? Who the heck is in charge around here?


reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 07:24 PM by Hastobemoretolife
reply to post by TreadUpon



I can't say what I think we should do.


That was the first line in my post, and running these smucks out of town is definitely being awfully nice and generous about it.


reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 07:26 PM by daddyroo45
reply to post by proximo



I watched that circus the better part of the day. I was amazed at how easily the majority glossed over the treachery hidden in that bill.

They touted green energy,but left neuclear power completely out of the bill.

We are being administered by morons!!!!



reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 08:30 PM by GreenGlassDoor
reply to post by Bullhorn



Oh. Good point. Seriously. Kill Michael Jackson to pass the energy bill? Sounds very ATS-ish.


reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 08:33 PM by GreenGlassDoor
Originally posted by proximo
There was a 309 page amendment added at 3:09 am, the republican leader simply read excerpts from it as an argument agains the bill and the stuff he was reading was horrifying.

Some of the highlights: All houses before being sold will have to have an energy efficiency audit, and all inspectors will have to be retrained at taxpayer expense. If the house does not meet the standards of the bill the seller is required to get it up to code at their cost.

All new houses are to be built with a certain number and size and locations of electrical outlets for electric cars.

Every city village or town will have to have an energy efficiency czar to enforce the regulations.

Derivatives laws were repealed, ones which I am sure might get in the way of the fortune the banks are going to make selling Carbon derivatives.

The bill will give more money to fannie and freddie for green mortgages, preferred financing to get people into energy efficient housing.

The bill mandates for every year for at least the next thirty the percent of power that most be purchased from alt energy. It also allows up to 20 year contracts be signed for providing such energy - so of course we are going to be locked into outrageous rates because of these long term contracts while alt energy costs our high due to the infancy of the industry. There was so much more, we are really screwed.


So we are going to have the local party chiefs enforce the code? How very Soviet Russia.

Oh well. The United States of America was nice while it lasted.





Forgot the second vid. Killing people = Greening.

Soylent Green is people!

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reply posted on 27-6-2009 @ 12:19 AM by Hemisphere
reply to post by Bullhorn



Just like the stimulus they press these turds through while the country (at least the bumpkins) are distracted. What has been the theme on the networks? Farah and Michael wall to wall while this bill if mentioned at all is encapsulated and scrolled at the bottom of the screen. Where has this story been leading up to today? Virtually ignored with the exception perhaps of a C-Span. I rarely watch C-Span so I'm assuming there. Have the Republicans in congress been shouting about this prior to today? Were they at the podium at 3AM on C-Span?

This administration was a Trojan horse. They baffled the masses with just left of moderate bs and swung hard left the day after the inauguration. When will the Obama supporters realize this will cripple them too? Do they fear him that much? Is he Fidel Castro II? There wasn't time to read the amendment today let alone the bill itself. The country is being hijacked!


reply posted on 27-6-2009 @ 02:25 AM by Bullhorn
reply to post by GreenGlassDoor



I didn't say they killed him. I'm saying this came at the perfect moment for these idiots to have an excuse not to cover the climate change bill which is a far more important story.



reply posted on 27-6-2009 @ 06:15 AM by jsobecky
reply to post by Hemisphere



Will the energy-climate bill be the straw that breaks America's back?

It may well be the final straw, but if it isn't, the health care bill certainly will.

Because, as they say, if you think health care is expensive now, just wait till it's free!
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