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Obama: Community service is a national duty

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posted on Jun, 26 2009 @ 08:50 PM
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I'd be willing to bet that those on Unemployment benefits and Welfare recipients will be sent a letter soon telling them where to be, at what time to be there, and what service they will provide.
How much longer till the children get their letter at the end of the school year?

If you are receiving government assistance and are able to work, this may become a way to qualify for the Assistance programs soon as well.

Just my $.02




posted on Jun, 26 2009 @ 09:11 PM
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I tried to rush this together. There is more about kindergarten children too but here it is.

In HB 1388 it is referred to as the “GIVE ACT”


To begin with, the legislation threatens the voluntary nature of Americorps by calling for consideration of “a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people.”
It anticipates the possibility of requiring “all individuals in the United States” to perform such service – including elementary school students.
The bill also summons up unsettling memories of World War II-era paramilitary groups by saying the new program should “combine the best practices of civilian service with the best aspects of military service,” while establishing “campuses” that serve as “operational headquarters,” complete with “superintendents” and “uniforms” for all participants.
It allows for the elimination of all age restrictions in order to involve Americans at all stages of life. And it calls for creation of “a permanent cadre” in a “National Community Civilian Corps.”
But that’s not all. The bill also calls for “youth engagement zones” in which “service learning” is “a mandatory part of the curriculum in all of the secondary schools served by the local educational agency.” T
his updated form of voluntary community service is also to be “integrated into the science, technology, engineering and mathematics curricula” at all levels of schooling. Sounds like a government curriculum for government approved “service learning,” which is nothing less than indoctrination.
Now, ask yourself if congressmen who voted for this monstrosity had a clue what they were voting for. If not, they’re guilty of dereliction of duty. If yes, the implications are truly frightening.


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They are also NOT allowed to have any church affiliation!

GIVE Act Creates Obama Youth That Cannot Attend Church?


In a another bill that probably was feverishly passed, already has serious consequences as it is sailing through Congress. Even Republicans have been duped on this one. The Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act or GIVE Act could be the catalyst legislation that gives President Obama his own personal civilian force.
SEC. 1304. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.

Section 125 (42 U.S.C. 12575) is amended to read as follows:

SEC. 125. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.

(a) Prohibited Activities- A participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle may not engage in the following activities:

(1) Attempting to influence legislation.

(2) Organizing or engaging in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes.


(7) Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.


It is unclear how this will be interpreted, but it seems that those who must participate in this cannot be involved in religious activity while forced to serve President Obama. Not only could Christians be coerced into this Civilian Army but they will likely be made to advance Obama's radical Liberal agenda, an agenda that stands in total antithesis to biblical Christianity.

The likely defense will hinge on the part that qualifies the prohibition from being involved in mandatory religious instruction. In a world where a pro-abortion absolutist is called pro-life and where an Administration filled with anti-Israel advisers is pro-Israel, I am taking nothing for granted. When the most partisan President in recent memory is considered to be transcendent and post-partisan, we ought to be very worried about how the Obama Administration will use this language to justify whatever it wants.


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posted on Jun, 26 2009 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by AmericanDaughter
(3) identifying solutions to the barriers that make it difficult for some individuals to volunteer or perform national service;
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I am still reading through the thread, but I had to stop and point out this line here. If it has been covered then just pass this post by.

The translation for item #3 is that they will make sure there is a way around every "Sorry, can't do it"so that your only objection left is saying "Sorry,won't do it", in which case they will have a work around for that too.

"Solutions to the barriers"... gotta love the flowery spin they put on it.

..."that make it difficult for some individuals to volunteer"
Don't worry, we will help you rearrange your personal life so you don't miss out on an opportunity to serve.

"...or perform national service"
So you are quadriplegic? Ah-HAH, Ive got JUST the job for you!

Very ominous.
Read between the lines people.

[edit on 26-6-2009 by GuyverUnit I]



posted on Jun, 26 2009 @ 09:34 PM
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"(1) Attempting to influence legislation. "
Oh, you mean like, lets say....VOTE?!?!?!?!

Like I said, read between the lines!



posted on Jun, 26 2009 @ 09:47 PM
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Our votes dont mean squat! We cant vote on legislation, G20 laws, treaties.

I'm very patriotic and wish I could raise our forefathers from the grave to see this stuff happening. They would not be happy and probably start another Civil War.

I'm fond of our constitution and bill of rights. Havent you noticed all the changes lately?



posted on Jun, 26 2009 @ 09:48 PM
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I completely agree with you. I was just pondering this thread and thought I would do it only if faced with jail and then I would darn sure make it known I didn't want to be there.

As I said earlier I am planning retirement and I just wonder at the outrage by older citizens as well as young at requiring us to volunteer. For those who haven't read the bill, there is a section addressing older Americans. We have paid our dues with 'voluntary' (ha) taxes and social security which we also had no choice but to participate and we were promised a small return. Now to ask that we offer further unpaid service is outrageous and over the top in my book.

For those of you who think this is a great and wonderful thing to befall America ask your elderly parents who have struggled and planned for retirement and finally a life of ease, or semi ease, then are asked to give a little more.

We have welfare receipents that we are paying for...let them give a day a week back to the government and to those who have subsidized their free lunch works for me and there are more than enough to cover the needed volunteer positons. And yes, as someone posted earlier, those in our prisons which tax payers support, rights or not. Unemployment receipents can work a day a week. There are a multitude of people who could serve.

This whole thing makes me angry and it is not about being lazy. It is about a lifetime of giving and giving and giving.

I really believe this is just a way to eventually, like the old USSR, have everyone working for the government for a set wage. Okay, that may be over the top but it just goes to show how much I have come to distrust our government and anyone in public office.

Rant finished.



posted on Jun, 26 2009 @ 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by veritasvoice2009

Originally posted by warrenb
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scary as can be...

What more proof do we need that 1984 is here?




This is less 1984 and more 1933.



Okay, I have heard of the 1984 reference before. What is 1933 in reference to?

Thanks in advance.



posted on Jun, 26 2009 @ 10:15 PM
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SEC. 125. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS. (a) Prohibited Activities- A participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle may not engage in the following activities: (2) Organizing or engaging in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes.


Hahaha, what a joke... but not a FUNNY ONE!!!!


So not only should we 'give' even more to maintain the status quo of the rich getting richer over the poor's dead bodies, but in doing so we loose the right to protest, petition, boycott or strike?




posted on Jun, 26 2009 @ 10:18 PM
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Originally posted by Pappa_Bear
I'd be willing to bet that those on Unemployment benefits and Welfare recipients will be sent a letter soon telling them where to be, at what time to be there, and what service they will provide.
How much longer till the children get their letter at the end of the school year?

If you are receiving government assistance and are able to work, this may become a way to qualify for the Assistance programs soon as well.

Just my $.02


Where have you been? Welfare recipients are already forced to work. I was made to work 30 hours a week in a welfare propoganda program while they kept promising to help me find employment. I had no references to put on job applications (I had come from a violent, controlling marriage where he wouldn't allow me to work a job or have social relationships he didn't approve of) so I was having an extreme time finding a job. They had me creating newsletters and all kinds of other stuff that someone would normally charge a bit to do. But we had to do stuff like that to get the $225/month in KTAP. I had to write a letter basically lying to the KY government about how this program was supposedly helping me to obtain work skills in order to continue receiving benefits. I was in the program from 2000-2003. We got minimum wage from this program because it was tied into the college and I got work study, but the work study only paid for ten hours/week. Then ten hours/week was counted by my going to classes, even though I was in classes for much more per week than that. So that left ten hours/week up for grabs and they would pay us minimum wage for that, but constantly threaten us with taking that extra money away from us if we didn't do as they said and that they didn't have to pay us anything.

Some of the welfare programs in the state don't pay anything. You work 30 hours a week volunteer for $225/month in welfare checks. It's so hard finding jobs around here that a lot of people depend on welfare.

I got thrown out of the programs because my limits were up. These so called welfare-to-work programs tend to keep the people at a point where they don't find jobs and then boot them out after the five years are up. I even overheard one of the workers bad mouth us to potential employers when she was supposed to be trying to help us find jobs. After I heard that, I understood why the few interviews I had bombed after they checked my references (which they were my only ones in the state). They just use poor, single mothers who depend on the programs for cheap labor and to help make sure they keep their own jobs as well, and then throw them out when they don't need them anymore. They were constantly replacing us too. I got threatened with being thrown out of the program because it came back to them that I mentioned to a new girl how they were and the new girl told them what I said. It did no good to be honest.



posted on Jun, 26 2009 @ 10:37 PM
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Okay, in my rant I was not referring to someone like you who has tried to make it. But there are many others who do not and just accept welfare as what is due them, both men and women of all races. They find an easy way out and use it.

Not all states have those requirements but then you were on welfare a very long time so to that I don't know.

I can't imagine being in your shoes but in my younger days when I had a hard time I don't remember that any such help was available.

Best of luck to you in the future.



posted on Jun, 26 2009 @ 10:38 PM
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this is the punishment for not complying






posted on Jun, 26 2009 @ 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by liveandlearn
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Okay, in my rant I was not referring to someone like you who has tried to make it. But there are many others who do not and just accept welfare as what is due them, both men and women of all races. They find an easy way out and use it.

Not all states have those requirements but then you were on welfare a very long time so to that I don't know.

I can't imagine being in your shoes but in my younger days when I had a hard time I don't remember that any such help was available.

Best of luck to you in the future.



I ended up with a lot of health problems over the years due to various things. My husband messed me up pretty bad too. He was going to set fire to me because I left a little bit of toothpaste in the sink. I have three different chronic, noncurable illnesses that hinder my employability in addition to what he did to me. After I lost the medicaid, it became even worse because the medication I have to take to keep from bleeding internally alone cost close to $200/month and I don't have the funds to keep taking the meds. And that is just for one of the health problems and just for the meds for that health problem. I am supposed to go to specialist every few months for monitoring, but with no medicaid and no insurance (I am noninsurable) I cannot go to the dr. They wanted me to undergo invasive medical procedures with no anesthesia to cut down on their costs since they knew I couldn't afford it and had no insurance, so I stopped going altogether.

A lot of the new ones that were coming in were young single mothers. There were both blacks and whites.

Trouble is for those who wanted a job, the jobs you could get in that area did not even pay for minimum living expenses, yet they cut you off welfare after you got hired. This included day care assistance. A lot of the jobs available didn't even pay enough to cover the babysitter, yet the government did not care. And those who were in the welfare programs were being detered from actually gaining employment. They did not want you to actually find a job, because then the program received less money to run things and then they might be without jobs themselves. Their job security came from keeping people dependent upon the system until the five year time limit ran out while bringing in more participants continuously to replace them.

[edit on 6/26/2009 by Jessicamsa]



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 12:01 AM
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You have indeed had a hard time and my best wishes are with you.

On the chance of being perceived as being arrogant I am going to go ahead with what I have learned after many years of emotional and physical abuse beginning from childhood.

I was well into my 50's before I realized that I was allowing myself to be a victim. I had heard many times that I had a choice yet I didn't understand what that meant. I came to a point where I asked God to take me home. Course he didn't and the next day I understood that I had a choice. A choice to believe as I had believed or to see that there were other choices that I was refusing to see for whatever reason.

Each of us has to take responsibility for where we are in life whether it be financial, physical, spiritual or emotional, though emotional is much harder to overcome for some.

You have to make a decision to take charge of your life and in your case, your health. I perceive you to be an intelligent person or you would not be here. Do the research on your health conditions if you have not already done so and make a change in your life. You may need to make many changes but do not allow yourself to be a victim of life and the one sided view of the medical system.

I am a nurse and do no abide by the conventional wisdom of medicine.

Please do something for yourself and don't let yourself be a victim of circumstances. Your willingness to struggle and the fact that you are here shows that you have it in you to seek the information needed to Not Be A Victim.

My best wishes to you/



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 12:48 AM
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don't serve your country, serve people in general.



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 01:09 AM
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Buy my gas to do community service, pay my payroll while I am out to do it, and I will gladly do some. But it was my understanding that community service is a sentence given to you when convicted of a crime.



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 03:27 AM
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Truly puzzling why Americans find serving their community and trying to improve conditions for everyone within it such an offensive act.

Given the choice, it seems like Americans would rather eat glass than ensure everyone can see a doctor when they're in need or keep their community parks clean.

You're all so terribly oppressed, I'll remember to shed a tear for you.



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 03:58 AM
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This is going to sound horrible. I seriously don't give a rats behind what Michelle Obama does for her volunteer work. I was always taught that when we do kind acts, that when we give of ourselves, it is RUDE to make that public, as if you are after some back pat or acknowledgement.

I prefer to do whatever it is I do from my heart, and in anonymity. I refuse to have someone tell me I need to be just like their wife, and get out and do such and such.



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 04:26 AM
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There is a part for a Senior service corps of those aged 55+


I seem to recall a section of the bill listing types of service projects and it included working on infrastructure such as railways and bridges...I do not see any of that in the bill now at govtrack.us



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 04:26 AM
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Originally posted by ZombieOctopus
Truly puzzling why Americans find serving their community and trying to improve conditions for everyone within it such an offensive act.

Given the choice, it seems like Americans would rather eat glass than ensure everyone can see a doctor when they're in need or keep their community parks clean.

You're all so terribly oppressed, I'll remember to shed a tear for you.


It's not offensive to serve one's community, as long as it's done by choice. When it becomes mandatory, it's not freedom of choice anymore.



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 04:27 AM
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Originally posted by ZombieOctopus
Truly puzzling why Americans find serving their community and trying to improve conditions for everyone within it such an offensive act.

Given the choice, it seems like Americans would rather eat glass than ensure everyone can see a doctor when they're in need or keep their community parks clean.

You're all so terribly oppressed, I'll remember to shed a tear for you.


Many Americans do volunteer and help out their communities.

How hard is it for some people to understand that it stops being volunteering and becomes something akin to slave labor when the whole volunteering part is taken out.




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