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Topic started on 26-6-2009 @ 03:27 AM by makinho21

Did Jesus actually walk this earth? Did he actually exist?


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reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 03:38 AM by KRISKALI777
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Yeah. Jesus apparently was a nickname given which in Aramaic means 'Savior'.
Yehoshua Ben Joseph; whom scholars have hypothesised is the biblical christ, was supposedly from the Dead Sea community Qumran.
The religious leader of the Essennes.

Given the supposed 'nickname' aspect, it is not illogical to think of the Christ, in the same context of the Buddha. That being there was the original Buddha ( Prince Siddharta Guatama), and then many Buddha's following- those that had also attained the state of enlightenment.
I dont doubt that there is confussion in regards to the historical christ, seeing that he seems to feature as character in texts written at earliest, 150 years after his death (biblical texts).



reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 03:38 AM by spellbound
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We are always told lies.

But what Jesus taught is true, whether He existed or not, we have a clue as to how to live. Always forgive, always love and always care about all animals and people.









- love, forgive, and do not kill. nowhat we have learned from the lesson of Jesus, is to turn the other cheek, take care of everythinig on this earth. and to forgive


reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 03:41 AM by KRISKALI777
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How do you know what Jesus actually taught?
Don't say because of your faith in the Bible (New Testament ) being a bonafide document; as that just boils down to matter of opinion with no rock solid evidence.


reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 03:43 AM by CX
Originally posted by spellbound
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But what Jesus taught is true, whether He existed or not, we have a clue as to how to live. Always forgive, always love and always care about all animals and people.

- love, forgive, and do not kill. nowhat we have learned from the lesson of Jesus, is to turn the other cheek, take care of everythinig on this earth. and to forgive


What a pity the majority of so called Christians i know haven't worked these teachings out yet.

CX.


reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 03:46 AM by spellbound
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I don't know - it is all hearsay - but what a great way to live.

We could try and live this way, and if we did, the world would no longer suffer war.


reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 03:54 AM by makinho21
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It is quite ironic I find that * I will for the sake of not starting argument with anyone call these views and morals Christian teachings * most atheists and non-religious folk I know - friends and family - and from what I witness on tv and read about, uphold most of these values quite adamantly. It is the religous followers who somehow "forget" their own lessons, and get caught up in aspects of the religion that don't really matter. Don't worry about impressing the lord. Don't worry about original sin. Live your life happily and treat others with the same respect and dignity you want shown to you. That is the one good I take from the bible.


reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 04:01 AM by makinho21
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Did you happen to read "The Hiram Key"? It goes into great length about the Qumran community, and how various terms were tossed around from group to group, alot coming originally from the worship of the Sun God Ra. The authors also went on to "discover" the ancient secrets of their own organization, the Freemasons. Atleast...thats what they claim


reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 04:01 AM by spellbound
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That is because they are corrupted by the Church.

Jesus would be horrified at the Church's teachings, if He was alive or if He even existed.

Anyway, my point remains - love your fellow humans, love animals, and love this planet.


reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 04:02 AM by InfaRedMan
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Interesting question isn't it. No one can really be certain he did walk this earth. It appears that many stories from the bible including Moses and Jesus were all ripped from the Epic Of Gilgamesh.

Worth a read IMHO!

IRM


reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 04:10 AM by The Last Man on Earth
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Moses is an Egyptian word that means "born of" - it's just missing the patron god that the recipient of the name comes from, hence Ramesses, Thutmose, etc.

His birth story isn't actually from the Epic of Gilgamesh, but from a great Mesopotamian conqueror called Sargon of Akkad (who is one of my all-time favourite generals), and the first emperor we know of. They probably had to invent the damn word for him!



reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 04:11 AM by makinho21
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Ahh yes I had this in picture book form from years back when I was in elementary school. One of my favorite library books to sign out. The pictures and characters were so cool. The story of Noah and the Ark is an EXACT rip off of Gilgamesh.


reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 05:32 AM by ChemBreather
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Mona L'isa . Female divinity ... Jesus , the older man , the younger man and the woman.... Mona L'isa ..


reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 06:03 AM by KRISKALI777
reply to post by spellbound



Hey Spell,
I agree with you. The Christ if a real person- would no doubt be horrified. Real person I say because the verdict is still out; probably more of a concept that was high-jacked and raped!!!
The philosophy is great, but at times vague and hypocritical, and downright ridiculous.
I suppose its because the text we know as the bible is a conglomerate of texts. None of those mainstream texts were written by anyone whom may have known Jesus ( there is the time gap).
My granny asked me how come there is almost nothing of Jesus growing up ( his childhood, family life, teen years)? I said "good question Nan!".
All I could offer was the Gospel of Thomas (Nag hammadi).
When it comes down to it Spell....It is a beautiful ideal; but ideals are seldomly attained by mere mortals; and there other ideals just as good and yet less confussing than Christianity.
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